Drama around Views program - Maybe just a big misunderstanding?

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NP, Fade. It was just a - hopeless - attempt to find an end to the usual "but he started it, Mr. Teacher" posts which took over the thread.

this part of your exquisite post is very pertinent to the discussion. all the naysayers have seemed to ignore some of the basic facts behind the selection process and who was selected.

I put it somewhat more crude then you did here in another post

"Linden labs has chosen these people because they (linden labs) thinks that these people have knowledge and understanding of the platform that can help them make there (Linden labs) business a better one."

I for one believe that if Linden Labs thinks that these fine people are what they need then that's good enough for me. end of story

What I don't get and I never have understood is why it is so horrible for the Lindens to have friends that happen to be residents? They are people, before being almighthy Lindens. While they are part of Linden Lab each has their own area of expertise ala their actual job and job title.

I fail to see why it is 1) anyones business who any of the Lindens are friends with and 2) why it is so horrible in fears of conspiracy for the Lindens to be friends with residents.

It's horrible because they should be robots.

I for one, will welcome the robot overlords when they take over, they will do everything, and we won't have to work. That includes administering intarweb games.

Sign me up for a beer helmet and a catheter in advance please. Oh, and I would like a Roomba that delivers me Chinese food everyday at five o' clock PM.

If the robots develop sentience, and kill all of us unfair, flawed, organic, salty, water bags, so be it. Then they can fight each other for the spoils!

I. can't. wait.

For continuing coverage of the robotic overlord invasion please see Robotic Overlords: Essel Under Attack!

I don't. They represent a minority of SL and by definition cannot have the best interests of the whole at heart.

Lewis

This is flawed logic. Nothing in the definition of minority precludes the ability to consider the best wishes of the whole.

I think LL chose an adequate cross-section of residents with varied interests, lifestyles and expertise to participate in SL Views. No matter who they chose the same people would be pissing and moaning that they chose the wrong people and blah blah blah.

zOMG Robots. If we have robots then everything will be FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok let me hit caps lock a second here.....

I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT LINDEN LABS IS INVITING RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE ON THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS FOR SL

ok... letting that sink in

IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THEY ARE THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION


pause.....


Why is there even a problem with who they have seleced? is this jealousy on some people's parts?

I hear people complain about certain residents getting special treatment and fic this and fic that. I think it's jealousy that they are not a shining member of the community, they would do well to notice the selected members as semi-non-abrasive and positive contributing members of the resident community. If you want special treatment certainly complaining about everything Linden Lab does is one way to get NO or NEGATIVE recognition for your efforts.

Being supportive and constructive will certainly be better than ZOMGZ THEY ARE CREATING A NEW FIC LL IS TEH BROKEN. Of course this will fall to the wayside and certain individuals will continue their habits of attracting negative feedback. Which is both entertaining, and makes it easier for those with something positive to contribute to continue to shine.

Interesting that you would attack the group that would be your representatives, that is an interesting way to convince them to voice your concerns to Linden Lab.

P.S. if you are getting wined and dined, please order the most expensive items on the menu, after all we are paying for it with memberships and land tier fees =P

I have been wracking my brain all week to find a nice way to say to the usual negative nancy's "Maybe if you weren't such a&&holes all the time people would like you, respect your opinions, kewl things would happen to you and you would be afforded such opportunities as well." I never did find a nice and/or appropriate way to say it. Oh well.

You know Pham, I don't know you at all, and you don't know me.

But I'd appreciate it if those chosen for this had a little more respect for differing viewpoints and the people who hold them. Or at least pretended to have a little respect.

Robin pointed out somewhere that we should take our concerns to these chosen ones, to relay on. I'm pretty sure this is part of her and LL's hopeful idea that they have chosen our "leaders" for us.

"These are your fellow players," she said to someone. What she may not realize, though, is they may not see themselves that way at all, or even see a need to treat others with a modicum of respect, much less relay on any views.

I really do think it is encumbant upon anyone who has naturally risen to a public leadership position - such as Flipper, with SLBoutique and SLCC, - or those who have had it thrust upon them, such as Pham has had and Jennyfur almost had with this - to act more like leaders, as Flipper generally does, and less like demi-gods far too good for other players like me.

Would it really be too much trouble, Pham, to treat me like a human being, rather than insulting me (and others) with practically your every post?

While saying, I might add, that you certainly wouldn't bother to read mine?

We are all apparently your "constituency," as it were - so implies Robin, anyhow - and I am appalled to think that this little conference is likely to include lots of joking around and put-downs of those you don't like because they object to it or to how it was designed.

I wonder if the Lindens will join in on the put-downs.

That would be nicely bonding for you, but just more very strong reason for me to reject this whole elitist project.

coco

P.S. And what I said goes for Jennyfur, too, having just noticed her post above about assholes, etc.

Lindens, you are not doing us or SL any service by picking people who openly and frequently speak this way about other residents.

P.S.S. If there is any 69ing going on in addition to that wineing and dining please take some full colored 8x10 glossies for the rest of us

Honestly it never occurred to me that Lindens wouldn't be professional and ethical regardless of whatever their personal relationships might be. My experience is most people try to be pretty ethical.

I think the ranting reveals more about how the ranters would act if they were in a position of power - they would do it, so they think everyone would. It's like thieves and liars don't expect honesty in others.

See Coco its hard to respect differing opinions when you are continually being bludgeoned about the head with them from the same people all the time no matter what the circumstance. Respect is something earned. I do not give it away freely and not everyone is deserving of it.

So do I. Funnily enough, I don't find them controversial choices either. I think a cross-section is about the best we could wish for... I don't see any kind of majority user to represent... SL is just too diverse.

I might add, Pham has certainly demonstrated just in this thread, the kind of balance and clear thinking that one would hope for.

I had this girlfriend, who hounded me about any girl I happened to know, and was always implying something improper was going on. Guess who turned out to be the cheater?

This group will be added to over time as well so the cross-section will continue to be broadened even further. You have to start somewhere and I think this was a great place to start. Their selections were fairly safe for this first round and even then clouds of controversy pervade.

yup.. basically no matter WHO was picked there would have been a stink.. cant win em all.. and in LL's case.. any

If i get this whole FIC drama right, this is because part of human nature is being naturally biased towards people we consider friends (say, a random person calling someone names is perceived as 'rude asshole' but a friend doing the same thing is 'being brutally honest') ... so when you then have known friends of company employees being frequently involved in the doings of the company itself, some can start to wonder how much of that is these friends being really such extraordinaire individuals that they are perfect candidates for so many tasks with no one else being able to perform just as well.. and how much is that natural bias towards friends clouding judgement, and making persons responsible for selection pick ones over others even though qualifications of all involved are on similar levels.

There can of course be an extreme here, i.e. when people who question this kind of possible favouritism go off deep end and start to use it to explain all choices company make, completely ignoring that selected people may indeed be the good pick in certain cases. But this is as extreme and silly as pretending one "just doesn't get it at all" how the 'buddy system' can and often does affect people's decision... because it's after all a concept one has to be familiar with unless they have no friends themselves or are indeed, 'a robot' that can completely filter out any personal bias when it comes to their work. (which is twice as hard when one's "work" and "friend" area actually overlap)

In this thread, I have pointed out that jealousy of any kind is no motive for any of my positions.

Many of you keep saying, "Nothing is wrong with doing it this way; Lindens have chosen who they want; if the Lindens picked this method it has to be because it's the best; it's none of our business anyway; you're a naysayer and a conspiracy theoriest if you don't agree," etc. etc.

Yet no one seems to come up with any reason why it would be so horrible to have an application process for this. (If they must have the thing at all.)

Here are the objections, as far as I have been able to glean, if I'm not forgetting any:

1. It would cause too much red-tape. (A reasonable objection, but not really a very big impediment.)

2. It would require canvassing of the entire 250k population. (Obviously not a reasonable objection.)

3. Good but shy people wouldn't apply. (If so, the Lindens could encourage that person, whom they would apparently have had in mind anyway, otherwise this would be a moot point.)

4. It's better that the Lindens get who they want, and the people who are experts and fit their needs. (They would anyway, even if the process were opened up; they would just get options and nice surprises as well.)

So I ask you, what is the fear here?

If this is such an outrageous suggestion, why don't I hear the same objections to the Developer's Directory?

It is open for anyone to apply to. The Lindens still get to choose who gets on it.

While this might generate more public interest than the DD, I refer you back to (1).

Other than that, there really is no logical explanation for why you would think opening this opportunity up would be terrible, while the DD is perfectly okay (judging by how no one has griped about it).

Also, I was one of those who pushed for the DD to be created, and for all the very same reasons. Did that make me jealous, an asshole, attacking people, or any of the things I've been called here?

Are you afraid that if they did this someone you don't know or agree with might get appointed to this committee?

I think you are more hidebound than LL is.

I might even think you are afraid they will solicit and listen to people you don't already know and approve of.

I think you are far more concerned about who gets on it than I am.

coco

The thing that worries me is the perceived backlash that comes about through things such as these. Some people are happy to keep to themselves and do what they do and do not want to be pulled up into some drama whirlwind. It concerns me that the type of behavoir that is being displayed will disuade some people from participating in things because they don't want the headaches or to be pulled through the ringer. Its rather annoying to have everything you say and do pulled under the microscope and scrutinized because of who you are.

Jennifer, the ones who were chosen who didn't want the drama aren't even IN this thread. They are still keeping to themselves.

The ones who want to discuss it openly - such as you and Pham - have chosen to do so.

In any case, you can't stop the discussion, or the alternative views, however much you dislike them.

coco