Drama around Views program - Maybe just a big misunderstanding?

Well... if we can't share the same opinion, at least we share the same surname. I guess that counts for something.

Yeah Jonq, I edited to make direct reference to the trouble spot.

You'd be locking someone else's thread, Weedy.

If someone wants to know about Weedy's true behavior, I invite you to check out her posts on www.secondcitizen.com.

coco

You derailed it, not me.



Good, they will get to see what you and Prok are REALLY saying about the eight who have been picked, not just this charade being played here about the process being "unfair".

I was too quick for your ninja posting! Waahaaa!

And if anyone wants to check out Cocoa's true nature, check out where she falsely accused someone of Sexual Harassment in order to garner forum sympathy, at the same time she was calling them out to another forum, which obviously proves how intimidated she was.

In fact, check out ALL of our true natures away from LL forums. Highly recommended.

It's even gone a step further, not only does she claim that the so-called "sexual harassment" occurred, now she is claiming she is being persecuted for being a "whistle-blower".

But that's another issue, not like it matters in a thread which is already badly derailed.

Yeah, I know. I've actually seen her claim her suspension was for calling out a bully, instead of either falsely accusing someone of sexual harassment while stalking them, or calling another resident a 'worthless pissant' which she later tried to say was just 'pissant', which her parents called her.

Explains a lot, really.

I've left a copy of the Second Views invite letter Robin Linden sent me on my laptop at Cafe Jack.

If you're interested in seeing more info I have about the Second Views program, please visit my web site. I'd like to keep this just between us, so you'll need a password. Just IM me inworld for it.

Thanks,

Salazar Jack

yea but as Jonquille Noir said "The thread started out as a genuine topic, then declined into the usual crying."

lol My true nature (SEE MY FORUM AVATAR)

I agree Cris. There are many who find it offensive that a small group of some be chosen for what is perceived to be special attention, individualized treatment, whatever the characterization.

In real life when this happens the press goes nuts...just note the furor over the Bilderberg Roundtable. Coco presents a point of view and, whether you agree with it or not, belittling her viewpoint by making comments to demean her personally speaks more about the motives and character of her detractors.

Why not address the merits or lack of merit relating to the decision to hold the meeting face to face while trying to sell SL as a platform to eliminate the need for that rather than lash out at coco's imagined motives?

When Robin posted the decision to elevate a small group of members to a Linden selected advisory panel meeting in person in SF, I commented that I didnt understand the LL penchant for making divisive decisions such as this. I predicted it would just cause problems which we see happening now, and suggesed that the membership be given the option to elect members to act as advisors for our interests.

So many have contributed to SL since its inception, and I must honestly say that the names I would have proposed for useful input to LL are not the names that appeared on this list. For example, I would have proposed members who are more active with other members perhaps, and not those who tend to not talk to the membership. I suspect that being friends with the selection committee counted more heavily than actual contribition but no one asked me for input on which members I think could act in an advisory capacity on behalf of membership concerns, features etc. Perhaps thats my point as well as cocos.

Some who have attacked coco seem to take glee in the attack rather than talk about the process, and some who are not on the list have even seemed to brag they were asked but could not make it. If its not such a big deal to have been selected then why brag about the invitation? I think that speaks for itself.

I think its very important that LL find some way to keep in closer touch with the concerns of the membership but I disagree on the process selected to accomplish this. I think an inworld panel discussion, where member advisors are present in a meeting open to residents is a better method. I think think member advisors should be randomly selected from a pool of nominees submitted by the membership. WHy not have a process where members can submit names in various categories, such as scripters, animators, builders, clothing designers etc, and then have a random advisor selected from each category.

In a recent article one former Linden posted his top 10 SL influential people, and the names on his list only demonstrated that he was lost in the past. The same could be stated for several names on this advisory list and LL will not be able to get in better touch with membership concerns using this selection process, and by creating hard feelings in the membership.

Why would they (Linden Labs ) want an election? That would not give them the persons they (linden Labs) wants for the advisory board.

All the long winded post in the world will not change the simple fact its not about you me or any other resident of second life its about LINDEN LABS a privately held company doing what they feel is the best thing to do at the present time.

Linden Labs Has chosen these people because they (Linden Labs) feel these are the folks best suited to fulfill the needs that they (Linden Lab) want at the moment, and will be able to help them (Linden Labs) make there (Linden Labs) product business and platform a better one.

This ISSUE is not about any thing other then Linden labs reaching out to a few choice residents That they believe can help them the most.


and another thing I'm not saying they are but if Linden Labs wants to give special perks or whatever to any individual or groups of residents that is there prerogative. You may not like it I may not like it either. except Linden Labs is a privately held company and they can do what they want and I'm sure they will do what they want if they feel it is in there best interest.

I'd maybe see the whining in a lil more virtuous light if it weren't for the old 'Metaverse Justice Watch'


Which makes me think the attitude is 'it's a bad idea - if I'm not involved'...

All in all I simply don't 'get it' anyway.. I mean I don't get what the whole hooplah is about.. A company doesn't have to pick focus groups or consultants with the consent of what pretty much amounts to customers.

They're free to go by whatever means they want... If you replace 'Linden Lab' with just about any other business name its starts looking pretty silly if you ask me.

I doesn't matter what side of the game/platform/world/thingie fence you fall on - it's hard to not see that Linden Lab is a business and that Second Life is their product.

We are their customers.

You can like/not like business decisions as you wish - but really we ultimately don't really have any say in the matter at all.

It's like getting pissy because McDonalds did a McRib special and you would have liked them to do a new Chicken Sandwich - and getting upset because they didn't have a country wide poll on the matter.

Khamon Grundy want McRib too!

you said Man here here!!!

and i want a double quarter pounder with cheese extra pickle

Precisely Siggy, some people just don't get that and would rather harp and shrill for the sake of hearing themselves talk and/or to elevate themselves as guardian angels of us. They apparently are so offended by what they envision as special attention, they demand special attention in having their ridiculous ideas implimented.

If your FU interpretation is correct, why would LL even bother to announce the program?

Can you imagine the ruckus if they didn't?

Someone in this or another thread said it was possibly a 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' -- to tell the truth I tend to agree with that.

Well Weedy, and Siggy, without pointing fingers, we ALL seem to have our harpy moments where we cant help but complain...ALL OF US! Just because this isnt your issue doesnt mean it lacks merit for others. If its not your issue then why not just ignore it rather than use it as an opportunity for personal attacks agaisnt another member you dont like.

Yes its a double damn sword, but my point to crucial was its either FU or not FU according to his/her interpretation. Sorry crucial but i dont know who you are and am not sure whether to use he or she when referencing you.

First of all it is you who are interpreting it as Fuck you all.

WELL.... LOL...... you know as well as I do that had they not announced it ahead of time It would of gotten out and the response from all the naysayers would of been 1000 times worse.

At the moment all we have is a few folks who see this in my interpretation as the end of the world as we know it.

Where in fact it just a privately held company doing what they feel is in there best interest.

weather you agree with it or not this is the simple truth!!

hehehe no problem Kat.. you can call me anything you want He She I personally like fucktard just cause i think its funny. I have several aves but crucial is female so i guess "She" is appropriate.


but seriously It is a double edged sword there is and always will be people who agree and disagree with every single decision that Linden Labs makes. and some will Be quite vocal as we have here.
I personally think that what they are doing here is a good thing and can only benefit Linden labs. I do not think it will benefit any one individual resident but if Linden labs as a whole benefits from this then every one will benefit in a small way.

And have it in a locked down sim so hecklers and nay-sayers can't barge in? Or have it in an open sim and watch it get reduced to chaos and pandemonium as usual with inane repetative confrontational questioning rather than any kind of useful round table by the attention seeking malcontents?

Um.

Well, okay. But why can't they do that AND meet a few people face to face when they want to?



Bring on the popularity contest! Woo Hoo!

"Well Phillip, I think the number one issue for SecondLife would have to be harsher penalties for repeat parole offenders. errr, um, I mean... World Peace!"

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Don't like how things are run? You have 3 options:
1) Vote with your feet.
2) Try buying Linden Lab out and run SecondLife yourself.
3) Learn to work within the system to try changing it.

Lucidly?



I find it hard to describe anyone who is claiming the FIC is real as 'lucid'.

Chips installed in our brains. YOU STAY OUTTA MY BRAIN!!!

I am still stinging from that episode, those dirty McRats.