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Where are all the good men?

frank Foley
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05-25-2006 12:29
From: Kiamat Dusk
I am not in anyway "anti-gay" and this is a rule that I, and other Christians, live by. It means that, while homosexuality may be a sin (as we believe), it's no greater sin than any we've committed or will commit. God does not "hate a fag". He loves all of His children.

The BDSM community has an overlapping relationship with the Gay Leather community and I have gay and lesbian friends in both. My leather sister is a lesbian, she knows my views, and it hasn't stopped us from being as close as blood.

In fact, for someone talking about overcoming prejudices, your post is packed full of them. It just seems that some prejudices are more socially acceptable than others.

In these forums it's perfectly acceptable-almost en vogue- to hate Christians and Conservatives after all.

-Kiamat Dusk


Dude, you think that the way gay people express our love for each other is a sin -- in other words, morally wrong, and you can't understand why we would see that as prejudiced? When you can accept the whole package, I may be interested in you and your god's love. Until then, no thanks.

And the "some of my best friends are gay" line doesn't make it any better.
Kiamat Dusk
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05-25-2006 12:37
From: frank Foley
Dude, you think that the way gay people express our love for each other is a sin -- in other words, morally wrong, and you can't understand why we would see that as prejudiced? When you can accept the whole package, I may be interested in you and your god's love. Until then, no thanks.

And the "some of my best friends are gay" line doesn't make it any better.



Ok...so if I said that your homosexuality was fine...but that lying was a sin then you'd be all hunky dory rather than being offended because I wasn't accepting the whole package?

There will always be things people don't like about one another-doesn't mean you can't still love that person.

I don't pre-judge homosexuals-or anyone for that matter. I don't treat them any differently than I do anyone else.

-Kiamat Dusk
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Doubledown Tandino
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05-25-2006 12:57
Where are all the good WOMEN thread...

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05-25-2006 12:59
From: Elinea Richard
Where all the good men in SL? I know there are some real men out there, you know the ones who are not gay or bi or whatever, its just i cant seem to find them. If you think you know where to find such men please tell me here or IM me in world. Thank you in advance. ;)


The majority are pretending to be women same with the women pretending to be men. Who could blame them, men obviously have more clout in SL. Just read the forums :D I dig them kinky bitches um er dudes.
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Jake Reitveld
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05-25-2006 15:06
From: Colette Meiji
interesting -

actually tho many straight men make that joke about being a lesbian without any of that physchological neuratic rationalizing.

and these guys also think that bi and lesbian women will think its funny ..


They will if the timing is right-the secret to good comedy is timing. And I never rationalize any joke. people are scared to me, but groups, even my own, are not :).

But then I like being a guy, so i am nto a lesbian trapped in a mans body. I am Just Jake.
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Kiamat Dusk
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05-25-2006 15:10
From: Jake Reitveld
...people are scared to me...


What exactly are they "scared" of? :eek:

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Lash Xevious
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05-25-2006 15:25
From: Noh Rinkitink
Ah, the male lesbian concept.

While, as a hetero guy, I can't say the notion of having been born female and having intimate relationships only with women doesn't have a casual appeal, I'm dubious about the whole notion.


Heh, I used to think when a guy says he's a male lesbian, he was just implying he likes to give oral a lot. Or anything else sexual.

But after reading that article, it gives a whole 'nother perspective. I still think some guys say that as a line, but I wonder if they realize there could be some underlying psychological aspect of it.
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Calranthe Charlton
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05-25-2006 15:29
From: Elinea Richard
Where all the good men in SL? I know there are some real men out there, you know the ones who are not gay or bi or whatever, its just i cant seem to find them. If you think you know where to find such men please tell me here or IM me in world. Thank you in advance. ;)


What your looking for probably doesn't exist, its the difference between what we want and what we need..

How many of us have a set idea of the person we want to be with and quite by accident we meet someone who isn't our brad pit but is who we need... the sad fact is the amount of us who cling to our set of rules and who we want to be with and miss the real prize.

I was a virgin till 26, may seem strange to some, wasn't religion that kept me from exploring sexuality or parents, my mum subscribed me to playboy magazine at 15 when she noticed me spending alot of time alone in my bedroom, wonderful person my mum can still talk to her about anything and it doesn't phase her.

26 I went to a local birthday party and sat down to talk to a girl who had just been dumped by her X, yes we all know the rules don't date someone on the rebound, well we talked all night, ignored everyone else, one week later we were officially dating, 2 weeks later I sold my surround sound system to pay for a deposite on our first rented place together, 3 weeks later we got engaged (yes her parents hated me lol and thought we were rushing into it but it felt right)..

One year later She was diagnosed with accute lymphoblastic leukeamia and 2 days later I married her in a registry office before the treatment started, (many of my so called friends told me to run, that i didn't know what I was getting into) im 35 now still together she is still in remission.

Am I a good man ? that isn't really for me to decide, long ago me and wife talked about our sexuality needs and wishes, imagine the fun of finding out not only is your wife bisexual BUT she also has the SAME taste in women as you do, so now we have a girl who has chosen to give herself to us (8 months ago) and couldn't be happier.

We don't conform to rules or stereotypes, we don't judge people on there looks or how society views them.

We are completely happy and content with who we are and what we explore together..



I went abit off topic here but I know one thing I saw many "straight" "religious" "upstanding" men who when the doctors told them there wife or girlfriend had cancer they ran and never looked back. and i've seen some of the strangest looking couples survive anything because they have each other.
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05-25-2006 15:30
From: Kiamat Dusk
What exactly are they "scared" of? :eek:

-Kiamat Dusk

lol
Sacred.
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Jake Reitveld
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05-25-2006 15:32
From: Lash Xevious
Heh, I used to think when a guy says he's a male lesbian, he was just implying he likes to give oral a lot. Or anything else sexual.

But after reading that article, it gives a whole 'nother perspective. I still think some guys say that as a line, but I wonder if they realize there could be some underlying psychological aspect of it.


Hey I am just a guy and and Like to give oral a lot...so you don't have to be a male lesbian to like oral sex. :)
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Kiamat Dusk
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05-25-2006 15:35
From: Jake Reitveld
Hey I am just a guy and and Like to give oral a lot...so you don't have to be a male lesbian to like oral sex. :)



Here! Here! I actually like giving more than receiving. MmmMmMmMm....oral sexxxxxx...... Dammit, Jake!

-Kiamat Dusk
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"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom"

From: Vares Solvang
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(Can you spot the irony?)

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Kiamat Dusk
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05-25-2006 15:38
From: Calranthe Charlton
What your looking for probably doesn't exist, its the difference between what we want and what we need..

How many of us have a set idea of the person we want to be with and quite by accident we meet someone who isn't our brad pit but is who we need... the sad fact is the amount of us who cling to our set of rules and who we want to be with and miss the real prize.

I was a virgin till 26, may seem strange to some, wasn't religion that kept me from exploring sexuality or parents, my mum subscribed me to playboy magazine at 15 when she noticed me spending alot of time alone in my bedroom, wonderful person my mum can still talk to her about anything and it doesn't phase her.

26 I went to a local birthday party and sat down to talk to a girl who had just been dumped by her X, yes we all know the rules don't date someone on the rebound, well we talked all night, ignored everyone else, one week later we were officially dating, 2 weeks later I sold my surround sound system to pay for a deposite on our first rented place together, 3 weeks later we got engaged (yes her parents hated me lol and thought we were rushing into it but it felt right)..

One year later She was diagnosed with accute lymphoblastic leukeamia and 2 days later I married her in a registry office before the treatment started, (many of my so called friends told me to run, that i didn't know what I was getting into) im 35 now still together she is still in remission.

Am I a good man ? that isn't really for me to decide, long ago me and wife talked about our sexuality needs and wishes, imagine the fun of finding out not only is your wife bisexual BUT she also has the SAME taste in women as you do, so now we have a girl who has chosen to give herself to us (8 months ago) and couldn't be happier.

We don't conform to rules or stereotypes, we don't judge people on there looks or how society views them.

We are completely happy and content with who we are and what we explore together..



I went abit off topic here but I know one thing I saw many "straight" "religious" "upstanding" men who when the doctors told them there wife or girlfriend had cancer they ran and never looked back. and i've seen some of the strangest looking couples survive anything because they have each other.



Any guy who can swing a wife AND a gf in the same house is a real man in *my* book. :eek:

-Kiamat Dusk
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From: Vares Solvang
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Selador Cellardoor
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05-25-2006 15:41
From: Jake Reitveld
I suppose that I would likely fit the OP's definition of a real man. I admit to being a straight guy of the old school. My role models have always been Hemmingway, John Wayne and Bogart. I rarely cry, don't talk about my emotions and try to carry the whole world on my shoulder. I don't hit women, even if they hit me first or can kick my ass :). I like power tools, guns and war movies (one of the handful of times its acceptable to cry is at the end of saving private ryan-lol). I like women who wear high heels, I like baseball and rugby. I secretely fantasize that all women are lesbians, and I categorically know that if I made one or two changes in my teen years, I could be the biggest badass on the face of the planet today. :)

Well maybe thats an exaggeration, but hey I sort of fit the stereo type.

Still I don't think any of that is what makes someone a real man.

To me a real man has four qualities:

1. The are unapoloegiticly true to who they are: it does not matter if you are John Wayne or Carson Kressley, a real man is tru to himself.

2. Real men value honesty and integrity. Don't lie. Speak the truth.

3. Real men value decency and respect-even towrds those they may not agree with. (intolerance and bigotry are not excused by saying "I am just being true to who I am." Manners and respect for others are also hallmarks of a real man.

4. real men have compassion.



So a woman who is true to herself, who values honesty and integrity, who has manners; who has respect and compassion for others, is really a man?
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05-25-2006 15:47
From: Selador Cellardoor
So a woman who is true to herself, who values honesty and integrity, who has manners; who has respect and compassion for others, is really a man?


No. She is still a woman. I cannot speak more on that subject.
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Puck Goodliffe
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05-25-2006 15:49
From: Calranthe Charlton

I went abit off topic here but I know one thing I saw many "straight" "religious" "upstanding" men who when the doctors told them there wife or girlfriend had cancer they ran and never looked back. and i've seen some of the strangest looking couples survive anything because they have each other.


I honestly can't say anything more than AMEN.
Ricardo Harris
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Enough with the complaints
05-25-2006 15:59
The thing you constantly hear and read is people making complaints about relationships in on-line games such as this one.
You see the same type posts saying, "Why would anyone want a relationship on-line", or "I would never want to meet anyone on-line". "I would never do this or do that on-line or why do people do or say that".

Come on already with this hypocritical talk. Then what the hell are you doing playing a game such as this one? One of the main things in a game such as this is the interaction between couples. So coming on a forum to complain about this is pretty stupid especially when they themselves take time out to login as well as pay to be able to play. Go play a fighting game or some other type game unlike sl.

The same people who do all the complaining are either missing out on one of the games best things to do or they just try to make themselves seem like they're too good to interact with others.
I'm pretty sure most of these same people give their hands quite a workout on a daily basis all on the game, but come here to try to pass themselves off as being too superior for role playing games such as this one.
katykiwi Moonflower
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05-25-2006 16:02
From: Colette Meiji
Just put on your profile that you are a lesbian

More straight men will IM you trying to get you to go out with them then you can count.

=p
A lot of the straight men are playing on female avies, pretending to be lesbian, so they can get off on watching 2 female avies cybering naked together...and that's a direct quote from a guy who is a big time offender!

I don't mind the masquerade, but when they become intimately involved with someone in SL, and partnered with them, they should at least be honest about their true gender and sexual identity. So many have been hurt by this deception.
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05-25-2006 16:03
From: Noh Rinkitink
Ah, the male lesbian concept.

While, as a hetero guy, I can't say the notion of having been born female and having intimate relationships only with women doesn't have a casual appeal, I'm dubious about the whole notion.


I read quite a bit of the "Love-Shyness" book once, trying to find my own place in the world. I doubt it has much to do with what most people would think of a "male lesbian". It's just a common way that the guys interviewed in the book described themselves. I doubt anyone who knows real lesbians would recognize the comparison. :p

Much of the book does deal with social factors that may have a lot to do with why so many men play women here, though. As it points out, people cover the whole spectrum in their combination of traits: male/female, masculine/feminine, assertive/shy. You can find people with any combination of these, but the author singled out one group that tends to have trouble getting the looove.

Aggressive men get the sex.
Aggressive women get the sex.
Shy women get the sex.
Shy men don't.

That's the author's thesis, anyway.

Shy, passive women will still get picked up by men. But because society expects men to be the initiators, shy men get ignored unless something else about them is particularly attractive. So what's one thing that would occur to a man who is shy or feminine by nature? Become a pretty woman and get all the attention flowing toward him!

Sounds familiar. :o
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05-25-2006 16:04
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Euterpe Roo
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05-25-2006 16:21
Here is a ten-page list of people who, for one reason or another, are not suitable for the OP.

Only 125,940 left. :D


Yeah, yeah. I know. I need to lay off the "bitchy pills" :D

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05-25-2006 16:25
From: Maeve Morgan
They're all women. :D


They do say that behind every great man is a woman...
Jam Ingmann
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How to find a "REAL" man in Second Life
05-25-2006 17:28
Geeze, with all of the offensiveness and hurt feelings, nobody thought of the simplest method of all to get a real Man or Woman just like you want in Second Life...

MAKE ONE!

You can build it to look just like you want and script it to say exactly what you want it to and do just what you want it to do. It can share all your innermost secrets and never tell. If you create it correctly it can probably be a better conversationalist than more than half the "real people" in SL.

If you really want a REAL PERSON try the REAL WORLD.

A few good ideas I have observered for finding and keeping the "Right Person":
1) Don't look for someone to complete you or you'll probably just end up with another partial person.
2) It is harder to find someone else to like you if you don't like yourself much. Work on your internal self image and learn to accept yourself first.
3) Be honest and communicate. People can't read your mind unless you aren't actually thinking.
4) Don't date people that are looking for what you have or who you hang out with, date those who are looking for who you are.
5) Everyone has baggage, just make sure you are able to carry each others once in a while.
6) Make sure you agree on the big things that affect life the most; morals, goals, family, sense of humor, and how to handle money.
7) Once you found the right person, quit looking for the right person.
This doesn't mean shut off the rest of the world. I told my wife I still enjoy beauty in things and people, including beautiful women that pass by. Just because I like a painting in a museum, it doesn't mean I'm going take it home and NAIL IT [pause] to the wall.
Good thing she enjoys my sense of humor or that one would have gotten me in a LOT of trouble :)

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05-25-2006 17:48
From: Leaf Evans
They do say that behind every great man is a woman...


Now! Now. Lets not get started on Men's behinds on this thread. :P Oh wait! Too late!
Colette Meiji
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05-25-2006 18:31
From: katykiwi Moonflower
A lot of the straight men are playing on female avies, pretending to be lesbian, so they can get off on watching 2 female avies cybering naked together...and that's a direct quote from a guy who is a big time offender!

I don't mind the masquerade, but when they become intimately involved with someone in SL, and partnered with them, they should at least be honest about their true gender and sexual identity. So many have been hurt by this deception.



Oh and to add insult to injury when they finally admit it and you try to do the compassionate thing by not dumping them, they are upset you are not interested in "lesbian" sex with them any more.

Dunno if we wanted to get into that half lesbian women are men debate that people toss around ad naseum on the forums, But i remeber when we talked about this happening before at length in-world.

In the end many of my online lovers that were female avs have turned out to be men. Most straight men with no interest in being women. I have decided im an aweful judge of determining who is lying to me, at a pretty hefty blow to my own self confidence.

But really, its these men who arent respecting women and their preferences. SInce this topic comes up fairly early in the courting ritual the gender pretenders have their easy way out and they dont take it.

The whole thing being rather pointless SINCE as the Original Poster demonstrates theres plenty of straight women interested in meeting straight men.
Puck Goodliffe
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05-25-2006 19:53
I met someone on SL who does the "male lesbian" thing, but I still don't really believe it. Sorry dudes, but shy guys can get laid in SL and RL; it's when you have no self respect that you get treated badly. I've had situations in both where the women have been more active in expressing interest than I have, out of shyness.

This is sadly like the whole "nice guy" phenomenon, which is just ridiculous, blaming women for not wanting you rather than working on yourself. Why not ask yourself what they don't like about you and fix it?

And if you're not comfortable with yourself to the point of wanting to pretend to be another gender and engage in all types of deceit, then... no offense, but there's something that does need to be worked on. The explanation from the "male lesbian" on the webpage cited earlier shows a deep rooted hatred of men and thus of himself (as a man).

While I can definitely understand why people might find the whole machismo game to be pretty entertaining and lame (I've been known to do it, and even I know it's dumb) phenomenon just speaks of an entire level of uncomfortability with one's self, one's gender, one's identity, with (at least according to the quote on that webpage "women get treated like prima donnas.";) some healthy misogyny thrown in.

And that just isn't sexy.
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