Where are all the good men?

"Where are all the good men?"

Cheating on you with your best friend.

Real man here, both in and out of SL.

I think I even have my RL picture in my profile. I, for one, am actually very much the same person in and out of SL.

It never fails. No matter the game, especially one like SL you will always see the phony ones rear their heads trying to tell others whats real and whats fake, what they should or shouldn't do on on-line rpg's.
People play the game the way they want to. Whether the put their rl feelings in with sl or they take the game more serious then you it's still their business. So what? Because you say it's wrong and the game shouldn't be played this way means it's really wrong?

You see someone write or say anything which can be twisted around to seem a bit rascist and it's like the world is coming to an end. Omg, someone said something about gays, or about a certain race! Big deal, so what? Why are you so damn sensitive? It's not like this isn't done on a daily basis or no one has heard it before. And usually the ones who cry out, "injustice" the most are in fact the worse offenders themselves, but in secret of course.

No offense, but what a load of nonsense.

"It's not like this isn't done on a daily basis ..."

AND? So let's say I decided to call you a colossal moron. Normally, it might seem reasonable to call me on it for being immature and flaming someone, but let's see ... by your own logic, that which is done on a daily basis is automatically immune to criticism. Flaming is done on a daily basis; therefore, flaming is immune to criticism. In fact, by your logic, if you object, you're most likely the worst offender yourself (in secret, of course)!

It's not that the world's going to end because the OP is a bigot, okay? It's just that, well, these are forums, and crazily enough, people use them to post in threads. Since they're going to be doing that anyway, they may as well go ahead and share their thoughts on the topic at hand, don't you think?

*Falls out of my chair laughing*

Lemee get this straight… you got into an online relationship… farked her over… got caught… then pulled the ole… it’s not RL baby, it’s a game… then wondered why she dumped your sorry ass… lafs… that’s rich man.

You weren’t really stupid enough to think that load of crap would work… were you? lafs

I saw a "real" man just last week, I don't know what he looked like because he never DID figure out how to get the box off his head...... But I suppose his cursing and flexing MIGHT come off as macho in some venues

Seriously....I think the "real" men are probably in "real" life. Viva la Geeks!

Good luck tho......

Being deceptive to your SL Partner after feelings get involved pretty well is a jerky thing to do no matter what the gender situation is in RL. SL is mostly make-believe but the feelings can be very real.

I think the best thing one can do it to make sure you're both on the same page about how serious you're taking things and to make sure you *know* what your partner will be accepting of.

If you want a sexual encounter; go hire an escort. Otherwise, be prepared to deal with emotional content.

BTW, I really do admire Torley Torgeson ne Linden. She's a great example of someone happily living beyond labels and I respect her a lot.

Ok, Alex,
Lets' say for arguments sake, I called you an imbecile for not understanding what I was trying to say. For jumping the gun just to add your two cents. Hypothetical of course, of course. Would that make me right in calling you that? Of course not. Yet, I could, because as you stated this is a public forum. A place where you state your opinion and you're 100% correct.
But stating an opinion doesn't necessarily make it right. And being critical of someone doesn't make it immune either. What I was saying was, it seems any time any little thing is construed as racism no matter how small, some people act like its the end of humanity.
Why be so thinned skinned? Why take everything so seriously? I can could go and on but I'm sure even you can understand what I'm getting at by now.
As far as the OP being a bigot, again, that's your opinion whether everyone agreees with you or not.
And just like me, in the end when it all settles down, you're opinion doesn't really mean anything to anyone but you the person stating it.

”Where are all the good men?”

Here!(?): /108/7b/110579/1.html

/Tina

Me too.

That's probably why nobody likes me here either.

Lewis

Poor YOU! What can I help with?

/Tina

I agree completely. Once you post, you accept that you're going to get a reaction. What I'm saying is-if they feel she is a bigot, fine. If I feel that they are confused, fine. But don't go demanding an apology.

-Kiamat Dusk

OK, so since I came to a different conclusion from yours I'm automatically the one who "fails at logic"? I completely understand the complaint. The complaint is that she is saying that gay and bisexual men (or men of color apparently) aren't real men by her standards. And you're taking it personally. By her standards I'm not a real man, either. So what? That just means she doesn't get the pleasure of knowing me. Her loss.

Frankly, as I've stated twice already, I don't think any woman is qualified to define a "real man" anymore than a man can go around defining a "real woman". All fine to define your personal ideal mate, but don't go telling me who does and does not qualify as a real man.

When I said "or otherwise" I was referring to the number of straight people (and possibly some bisexuals) in this thread who shared your POV. And, no, I don't think this is a crazy "gay" thing. I think this is a crazy, oversensitive, over-PC thing.

It just proves my point that you only address the race issue now that I've pointed it out...for a second time.

As far as me appearing to be bigotted against homosexuals, anyone who knows me knows better, and anyone who is willing to slap me with a label without getting to know me isn't worth my time in the first place.

-Kiamat Dusk

Kiamat! >.> (random i know)

Me don't know about real man, but me a real troll. Me only like females. Me enjoy long walks in stranger's homes, candle light dinners under bridges, and skull bowling. Me lookin' for goooooood time.

Ahh whether its jerky or not is a seperate issue tho. My point was there is more general sympathy for when it happens to a man, than to a woman.

And in Second Life it seems to happens to women more often. But thats probably becuase i am not part of the straight scene.

I wont go into details about how many female avs ive dated online ... =pPpP .. but over half have turned out to be men. Most of those straight men. two were open about their RL gender, the rest were not. Some clung onto their deception until they had no other choice. Those hurt the most.

I think in your post you agree with me as far as it being wrong, but not that men who are lied to get more sympathy than women.

There was a thread on here about about a man who was lied to. Remarkably absent were the TG advocates and the "its just pixels" defenders. That fits what ive seen online, here and in other places.

The way it seems -

If a Lesbian is lied to - shes just being forced to be in a "bi" relationship and she doesnt know it

If a Man is lied to hes being forced to be "gay" relationship and he doesnt know it

Evidently there is some bias in those distinctions with some people.

Because all lesbians are really just looking for ONE GOOD MAN.

Not so much the fabled Golden Goose but a Golden Rooster. Ahem.

It's such bullshit.

Well Karma is a bitch as they say.
Given the average "love" the xians showed the last 2000 years to everyone not fitting into there idea of right or wrong you get away very lightly.

LOL Paca XD

Hm. No. Having read through this, just as I read through your other post, I stand by what I said: you basically jumped on people saying that anytime someone behaves as a jerk, there's simply no room whatsoever to object, and that IN FACT, anyone who would dare object is the worst offender.

Re-read the original post. Nobody's "twisting" (as you implied in your first post) anything in order to make it seem "a little bit" bad -- the bigotry is as plain as day. Furthermore, the original poster's subsequent responses erased any doubt that it might have been just a mistake.

If you're unable to work that much out on your own, neither I nor anyone else can help you any further.

Edit: And one more thing -- where are the people who are acting like it's the end of humanity? I know I'm not. Peak Oil might be, overpopulation even more so might be, but one person's bigotry? Hardly. I'm not stressed about this at all. All I've ever done in this thread is point at a bigot and say, "Hey. That's a bigot." Because she is. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

Now some of the people she's personally offending might be a little more upset, but don't you think that's simple enough to understand? I still don't see them declaring the end of the world over it or anything close to it.

No you fail at logic because you continue to fail at understanding the most simple inferences. It looks like we can both agree that she doesn't consider gay men to be "real men" (or possibly even "good men". Whew, at least we're getting somewhere.

Now, do you really think that "by her standards" absolves her of any bias or bigotry? That is simply inherent in the concept of prejudice and discrimination.

Let's look at these statements and see if you can figure out which are offensive and which are not:

a) "I don't like black men."
b) "I'm not sexually attracted to dark skinned men."
c) "Black men are not real men, in my opinion."
d) "I don't find black men attractive."
e) "I'm looking for a good man. Not a black man."
f) "I would never date a black man. It's okay for you, however."

I use black instead of "bisexual" because people are more attuned to picking up racial bias and haven't clued into other forms of bigotry. Also, it is slightly more plausible that the lack of "attraction" is based on something other than prejudice.

Yes, I do take it very personally. I am extremely offended when people abuse logic and language so badly.


If it's not a "gay" thing then why even mention it in a phrase like "gay or otherwise"? How about just "no one mentioned it", and then you don't have to worry about which posters are gay and which are not.


Uh, one of my first posts addressed exactly the "race issue" (surprisingly it was an independent thought and not based on your brilliant insight) and at every point i've tried to make this a discussion on logic and ridiculously misplaced prejudice, not just a gay thing.


And some of my best friends are negroes and they'll be the first to tell you that I'm no racist. QED? Riiight.

I can only slap labels on you based on what you post. Maybe your poor choices in this thread are not indicative of your real personality and I'm sure your good friends will understand.

I personally don't think you're particularly biased against gays. You show the same insensitivity to every group.

Alex, the fact that you responded at all indicates that you think it's the end of the world. Hey, it's just someone posting some meaningless words on the internet, why bother? But then Ricardo also responded to your post, so he clearly thinks your message is signalling the apocalypse as well.

Um, but that's just my opinion which doesn't make it fact, as Ricardo very astutely points out in his own non-factual opinion.

Ooh, my head hurts.

We're doomed.

The emotions are real, SL is only another way to communicate.
Otherwise it would be to boring to bother, few humans indulge out of free will into activities not connected to emotions.

Not enough volunteers for essential services but enough people with obviously, a lot of time on their hands to argue gay politics in a virtual world...endlessly.

Grandma, come and read this, you won't fu**ing believe it!

I feel your pain.