Where are all the good men?

...btw...Juro is a real man cuz real men think I'm hot!

that would be the BI girls

The lesbians who wouldnt be cheating on a man with a woman .. by definition that scenario wouldnt occur.

(this would exclude married women who have realized they are lesbians later in life)

I have two boys and find the statement above worth printing and sharing with them.

Juro; you are truly a "real man" in my book.

In these forums it's perfectly acceptable-almost en vogue- to hate Christians and Conservatives after all.

-Kiamat Dusk

Sir, its perfectly acceptable EVERYWHERE... unfortunately.

Sir, its perfectly acceptable EVERYWHERE... unfortunately.

actually i think people are reactionary.

Since Conservatives and many outspoken Christains have made judgemental statements , many targets of those statements who have taken exception are upset and lump all conservatives and christains in with those who made the statements.

Much like conservatives lump all us liberals in with "the Michael Moore's and other commie pinko liberals"

my point being is the polarization works both ways.

actually i think people are reactionary.

Since Conservatives and many outspoken Christains have made judgemental statements , many targets of those statements who have taken exception are upset and lump all conservatives and christains in with those who made the statements.

Much like conservatives lump all us liberals in with "the Michael Moore's and other commie pinko liberals"

my point being is the polarization works both ways.

<kidding>
No no no. Conservatives, are by definition, correct...about EVERYTHING. Yeah. And as well all know Liberals are the opposite of Conservatives therefore they are fundamentally *wrong* about everything. See how that works? The purpose of Liberals is to be walking poster children of "What Not To Do". </kidding>

On the other hand, while you say that "polarization works both ways", the only examples you've offered are bad Conservatives and Christians. It's like the "both ways" line was tacked on to cover your tolerance clause. How often do you see Liberals in these forums being censured by other Liberals for over the top behavior?

-Kiamat Dusk

I suppose that I would likely fit the OP's definition of a real man. I admit to being a straight guy of the old school. My role models have always been Hemmingway, John Wayne and Bogart. I rarely cry, don't talk about my emotions and try to carry the whole world on my shoulder. I don't hit women, even if they hit me first or can kick my ass . I like power tools, guns and war movies (one of the handful of times its acceptable to cry is at the end of saving private ryan-lol). I like women who wear high heels, I like baseball and rugby. I secretely fantasize that all women are lesbians, and I categorically know that if I made one or two changes in my teen years, I could be the biggest badass on the face of the planet today.

Well maybe thats an exaggeration, but hey I sort of fit the stereo type.

Still I don't think any of that is what makes someone a real man.

To me a real man has four qualities:

1. The are unapoloegiticly true to who they are: it does not matter if you are John Wayne or Carson Kressley, a real man is tru to himself.

2. Real men value honesty and integrity. Don't lie. Speak the truth.

3. Real men value decency and respect-even towrds those they may not agree with. (intolerance and bigotry are not excused by saying "I am just being true to who I am." Manners and respect for others are also hallmarks of a real man.

4. real men have compassion.

I suppose that I would likely fit the OP's definition of a real man. I admit to being a straight guy of the old school. My role models have always been Hemmingway, John Wayne and Bogart. I rarely cry, don't talk about my emotions and try to carry the whole world on my shoulder. I don't hit women, even if they hit me first or can kick my ass . I like power tools, guns and war movies (one of the handful of times its acceptable to cry is at the end of saving private ryan-lol). I like women who wear high heels, I like baseball and rugby. I secretely fantasize that all women are lesbians, and I categorically know that if I made one or two changes in my teen years, I could be the biggest badass on the face of the planet today.

Well maybe thats an exaggeration, but hey I sort of fit the stereo type.

Still I don't think any of that is what makes someone a real man.

To me a real man has four qualities:

1. The are unapoloegiticly true to who they are: it does not matter if you are John Wayne or Carson Kressley, a real man is tru to himself.

2. Real men value honesty and integrity. Don't lie. Speak the truth.

3. Real men value decency and respect-even towrds those they may not agree with. (intolerance and bigotry are not excused by saying "I am just being true to who I am." Manners and respect for others are also hallmarks of a real man.

4. real men have compassion.

Actually i think weve had some debates on this before about a year ago. LOL.

Many liberals dislike Bush to the point they want him impeached and in jail. Much like the Neo Cons did with Clinton.

For some reason most people needs things simplified into "us vs Them"

But in reality our system is set up so that we can vote in people whose veiws differ from those we like. It was never intended for "re-election by impeachment/imprisonment"

Both liberals and consevatives could stand to be more considerate of the opposing veiwpoints. on these forums and elsewhere.

What the hey!? Honesty, integrity, truth, compassion!? Aren't you a lawyer!? By your own definition you don't even qualify!

-Kiamat Dusk

Its like any other profession i suppose.

what is the point in discussing all that anyway ??? everybody knows that all straight men are just lesbians trapped in male bodies

To me a real man has four qualities:

1. The are unapoloegiticly true to who they are: it does not matter if you are John Wayne or Carson Kressley, a real man is tru to himself.

2. Real men value honesty and integrity. Don't lie. Speak the truth.

3. Real men value decency and respect-even towrds those they may not agree with. (intolerance and bigotry are not excused by saying "I am just being true to who I am." Manners and respect for others are also hallmarks of a real man.

4. real men have compassion.

Can I have your children?

<3 <3

OMG! What do you want to do with them!?

-Kiamat Dusk

Ah, the male lesbian concept.

While, as a hetero guy, I can't say the notion of having been born female and having intimate relationships only with women doesn't have a casual appeal, I'm dubious about the whole notion.