Where are all the good men?

At what point did any of us gay people that have replied in this thread seem to be ashamed of who we are?

Your original post implied that gay men aren't real men, but I thought that it was simply an unfortunate phrasing on your part. I tried to use a little humor to point it out gently, but I guess that didn't work. And now I am offended.

As for where the real men are... well, I've got one of 'em.

Well, that's good to know.


Elinea, you make far too many assumptions. Your comments assume that I was offended at your post. You assume that if I was offended, it is because I am not proud of who I am.

So, let me clear a few things up for you, little girl. I am gay. I am proud of who I am and being gay is one (of many) things that makes me who I am. I am also a real man. There are no plastic or enhanced parts to me. What I have is real. I am also a good man.

What I didn't appreciate about your comment is that you seem to think that a good man and/or a real man cannot also be a gay man - which is false. Then, you follow it up by being non-apologetic and nearly proud of your near bigoted comment - though it's probably more out of ignorance than anything.

You would be surprised how many of the women in SL are actually men Ive played a women in every MMOG/virtual world and im a strait normal guy. Anyways I would rather meet a RL women than meet someone online. The virtual fassion show and virtual sex of SL doesnt really interest me.

Whoa whoa little boy watch where you swing that sharp tongue of yours, someone might get hurt. Let me takes this one at a time to make sure that we perfectly understand each other and are not having a mistake and communication.

1. Ok your gay i get that. I disagree and disaprove with your decision but it is your decision and this being a free country you have every right to be gay.

2. My description of a real man is how i choose to define what a real man is in my book. Ones again it is my decision/opinion and I really do not care whether or not you agree with. Like you being gay is your decision well I choose to define my ideal man as being straight.

3. As stated above stright man=real man is my taste in men. I am certain that many other people in SL would disagree with this taste but thats their business. As for me I like them straight.

4. I am proud of the fact that i stick to my beliefs and opinions and that i will not compromise my values to they way that others would have me do so. My comments are not anymore bigotted then me saying that I prefer white men over black men. Its my taste.

*sigh* it seems that this thread is not fulfilling its intended purpose but hey I dont mind a friendly dialogue on controversial issues.

Well, preferring straight men as romantic partners would make sense for a straight woman. A straight woman dating a gay man didn't work out for Will and Grace after all.

...you *are* a straight woman, right?

-Kiamat Dusk

Maybe you should ask Jake.

I'm real in RL, but just your average avatar in SL. I really don't understand all the sex stuff in SL, I mean is it really that big of a turn on? I just enjoy good company, and a lively discussion, as all real men in a virtual world should.

And where does it state that this is your preference? Or that you were making a statment of opinion?

A declarative sentence states an idea. It does not give an opinion, nor does it ask a question. It makes a statement as a fact. Your phrasing is inept at best.

I guess it is just because gay people are used the the stereotype of being depicted as "less than men" because of who they are. You have been called bigoted for reinforcing that stereotype. It amazes me that you can't understand that, and are even proud of your denegration.

No, I don't think I'd be surprised at all.

Nice trolling.

Elinea seems to have successfully enlightened us all as to why she is alone.

Your reply didn't get you out of hot water, Elinea. It did just the opposite.

1. I have yet to meet another gay person who used to be straight then "decided" to be gay. It don't work that way. As for this being a free country, it has only been so since 2003, and some states (like Virginia) are still equal-opportunity violators of a couple's sexual privacy.

2. See my #1, first sentence. I also take it that your idea of a real man is pretty masculine. Well, let me introduce you to a few of my gay friends who'd make a Hell's Angel look like a petite flower. I can throw in a gay couple who are ranchers if you'd like more examples of very real men who just happen to be gay. (Added to say, if I may be allowed to fight stereotypes with stereotypes.)

3. You say straight man equals real man. I'll posit that gay man is not equal to straight man. Thus, gay man is not equal real man? Just where logic leads using your statement, a=b, b not = c, c not = a.

4. As an excercise, replace "whatever" with any non-caucasion race in "I know there are some real men out there, you know the ones who are not gay or bi or whatever..." Not good.

Whether you like gay people or not is your business. I'm not saying that you should give us gay guys a shot at courting you. We're not interested. Your ideal man isn't the issue either. The issue is when you post on a forum and infer that gay people are lesser people. That's bigotry. I'm still hoping that your original phrasing was inadvertent, and that you didn't mean to make that inference, but that hope is fading fast.

So, for those keeping score at home...

Real man + good man = someone willing to cyber anonymous 'women' on the internet.

Don't get your panties in a wad! She made no such inference. It's over-sensitivity on your part. On the other hand I'm always peeved when women start defining what "a real man" is. If you're not a man-you've got no business trying to define one. You can discuss your ideal man....but don't attempt to define a real man.

-Kiamat Dusk

*swoon*

Oh, wait, better butch it up. Don't want anyone to think I'm not a "real" man... Ahem...

"Hell yeah, man!"

Heh. And apparently men are more inclined to take their chances with a lesbian than tap Elinea. Go figure, eh?

Reread her original post, the inference is there plain as day in her first sentence. BTW, I wear tighty-whities, thanks.

And while we're complaining about stereotypes and language use: there are gay people who aren't men, you know.

Why don't we have the ability to check profiles while we are logged in here as Second LIfe members? Is that something people would like?

You are right. My abject appologies.

I am willing to admit when *I* use inept phrasing.

Isn't that what the Publish selection is for on our profiles? One of those things they'll get around to someday, like making Partners worthwhile.

Miriel gives Simon a verbal smack upside the head.

ow!

I deserved that. My bad. Forgive me?

You're both forgiven.

they are all gay