Stagecoach Island defects to ActiveWorlds

At least Catherine Linden has got back to me, if only to tell me what I already knew....she's not been involved with the Stagecoach island and she's forwarding my email onto, yup you guessed it, Reuben

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I can't help wondering how far this thread would have run if the forums were readable by outsiders...

I mean, what a brilliant advert for Linden Lab. I'm sure it would have potential investors and potential customers flocking to do business.

A potential investor or customer would be foolish not to spend a bit of time poking around to get the lay of the land from the perspective of the community.

All in all, I think this situation has been (and contines to be) handled very badly. As Introvert said, if LL had contacted the Stagecoach Island content providers once the beta was done, informed them of the situation, and paid them the accumulated L$ for their work, this would be effectively a non-issue. As it stands, though, the disorganization exhibited and near-complete lack of communication makes this extremely important for anyone thinking of participating in any future projects of this sort.

Notice, too, that my hotline post has gone unanswered for three days. It's a pretty simple question -- "Did Wells Fargo (or their agent in charge of the project) violate copyright by taking materials without compensation to the creators, does the contract between Wells Fargo and Linden Research Inc. give them the right to take all the users' creations with them to ActiveWorlds (perhaps by LL invoking their right to transfer license to third-parties, reserved in s5.2 in the Terms of Service), or is there some other explanation?

Not sure that's a simple question. I have no idea how many legal issues sl has to deal with but I imagine the legal linden guy would have to be asked about it to be sure and get an accurate response, and his inbox probably isn't empty.

Your hotline question was fairly loaded on several levels, so I doubt you will get an answer to it. You are asking them to declare whether or not Wells Fargo committed a crime, and also asking for details of a private contract.

I don't feel the question was loaded at all. I summarized the problem as it appeared, put forth a couple of alternative scenarios that had been discussed in the thread, and asked for further clarification. I do, however, think you're probably right about having it answered. Even though hedge-y, non-commital responses such as,
"due to contractual obligations, we're not at liberty to divulge details of our relationship with WF/Swivel"
or
"we have no knowledge of how content was moved from SL. Individual creators must pursue this matter with Swivel directly"
would be entirely acceptable.

Just to update the thread, after Catherine's prompting Reuben has now finally replied to my email from the 9th January regarding payment. Payments will, apparently, be made next week.

Not to be an instigator but dayum, Lynn. That's a pretty exclusive view of "content."

Perhaps you missed the TOS:

6. CONTENT

6.1 Content. You acknowledge that: (i) by using the Service you may have access to graphics, sound effects, music, video, audio, animation, text and other creative output (collectively, "Content" ...

/ducks/

Yes, you can go in AW and leave signs there. Furthermore, you don't have to subscribe to do that - just go in as a tourist and do it anonimously. Well, sort of anonimously, because AW WILL know your IP address. But...wouldn't it be considered as 'griefing' . That reminds me about "Bush signs"...hehe We are better than that.


It is sad, very sad what happened. A lot of people got hurt including LL, even those who just heard of what happened feel emotional about it. I just hope that a wonderful thing like SEcond Life will continue to prosper because despite all the politics, griefing, 'some low life behavior and/or content', SL is the best VR out there with lots potential and lots to come. AW can try to 'catch up' with SL. They can TRY. It creates a healthy competition out there. But SL is still the best and we can make sure it stays that way. I'm sure it was a good lesson for all of us so lets just move on because it looks like from a legal point of veiw there were some mistakes made. There are reasons why I spend most of my free time here and not in AW or D&D or other games. There is a reason why I bought a lifetime membershihp I'm sure everyone here has a reason to be here too...

I don't usually talk much..even more, despite being 'an oldtimer', here, in SL and 'an oldtimer' in AW in the past, I think this is my first post on this forum. so..please don't
get on my case for expressing how I feel right now

<- sit's on LANa's case.

Dear LL;

It has been noted in a few articles I read this morning that SI/WF moved to Active Worlds they sited security as one of the reasons for leaving SL. "not really being independent from the rest of the grid".

This leads me to ask how separate is the teen grid really and how secure is it?

We were assured that the teen grid would be separate. We were then told that it is on the same grid but invisible. So since I'm a paying customer I would like to know from LL what the security issue was regarding the independence/separation from the main grid?

Catherine Cotton

A mouse gnawed through the bottom of the door and second life seeped in under it.

You missed the best part of that statement Ingrid here let me quote it for you:

"I would like to know from LL"

Catherine Cotton

Oh sorry, I saw your post on the Second Life forums, you know, the place where people who pay LL a monthly fee are welcome to post... and for some stupid reason, I felt I had the right to respond.

Don't waste your false apologies on me, I don't buy them.

Oh, it wasn't an apology.

Have a nice day.

Then you should have posted it in Linden Answers, shouldn't you?



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Yes Ingrid we know. Your point to decieve the reader was obvious from the get go dear.

Exactly, except that wouldn't have had the desired effect (drahma)!

No this was the right place to post, given that Lindens have already responded in this thread. My question is related to this thread.

I'm sure you didn't mean to bark an order at me, a friendly suggestion probably would of been best. But it was somehow lost when I saw your "eyes rolling" icon.

Troll

Just posting to keep this from becoming a one man (woman?) thread...

Well, I suppose Phoenix could have replaced those rolling eyes with one of Catherine/Martin's old standbys - "Fuck your opinions!". Would that have worked better for you?

Oh jeez, you cut to the quick don't you? Go sharpen your pencil.

Hmm, I'm not sure this post agrees with your assertion that 100% of your posts are worth reading. You will have to re-evaluate your assesment.