Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

At a meeting with the Chairman and Founder of LL, Philip Rosedale - I heard him say that he desires the teens be brought into (or have access to) to regular SL.

I asked about camera restrictions for them and the answer was something like "were working on that".

Second Life appears to be on the fast track to becoming the Circuit City of MMORPGs

I really, really, really am interested in the answer to the question regarding the logistics of the move and how the people who are forced to move will be affected.

I've asked the question now (as have others) politely and fairly. Is there a way we could get some kind of feedback at least to what Linden Lab *thinks* might be a way they're going to go about it?

I think if people are going to be expected to double their tier and fight with land flippers for land on the new continent, it'd be good to give them as much notice as possible in that regard. This is the GEOGRAPHY discussion, and that's probably the most important pertinent pending question relating to the GEOGRAPHY of this situation.

Thanks.

So 96-98% of the mainland is NOT adult then? I guess I must visit the wrong parts of SL, because I can't say that I've seen that much non-adult area. A large number of malls have at least one or two stores that sell items that might come under the 'adult' category.

Just a thought. Why don't Linden Labs charge a higher tier fee for the new Adult sims? You could justify this on the basis that by concentrating lots of clubs into a smaller number of sims, then you would need more CPU power to deal with the large numbers of avatars and scripted items - so as to avoid lag. That way you could make even more money out of us.

Allex (Allex's Adult Toy Store).

UGH. 3rd worst post ever. Too many reasons even to bother listing them, but my least favorite part is "what I think must just be the majority's opinion."

I can't believe you used the phrase "tah tah" above. Don't you know that's an evil body part?

to commercialized, time for a competitor to arise....hence the original comment "in the fast growing world, we want our residents to help Second Life keep it's dominant place" (sorry that is a paraphrase).....and bringing teenagers into Second Life? I already see enough age players and 40 year old adult women going "enuff of dis suff, I'm gunna callz mys bishes n." Don't need anymore age playing, because even if they are age playing, no where on the profile, is there a box indicating that they are "age verified." So it could be anyone doing it...it could be authorities investigating child pornography uses. I also believe that Second Life could possibly used as a tool for human trafficking between countries. For example, 5000 children, in I think 2005, dissappeared from ATL, GA, never to be found, now certainly a percentage of those ended up overseas in prostitution, or whatever. Segregating the adult content also makes it easier for Linden Labs to actually police the REAL WORLD legality of those that choose to age play, or play as "teens." Or other things...more sinister.

I think it is a lot less than a "work in progress". It sounds like it needs to go back to the drawing board, but this time, WITH resident input on the nature of the problem and the structure of the solution, not simply the "tweaking of the parameters".

That said, again, what is the SPECIFIC problem set you are trying to solve? "Giving residents a choice in their SL experience" is neither specific nor a problem, as we already have a choice.

Normally, in change/issue management, you identify the specific problem set, solicit input from all interested/affected parties to help clarify its nature as well as shape potential solutions, then do test scenarios to find the "best of breed" solution to the refined problem set, including implementation concerns, such as impact to the customer base and developmental costs.

Again, please provide us with this information so that we can help you shape the best solution(s) for the problem(s), with the least negative impact to LL and us.

If you can't or won't, then I don't see much of a point in continuing it, because it is becoming quite clear that this is simply a PR exercise which will result in a rather epic amount of fail.

Right, right, it should not have been published that makes sense. It was probably an accident. An accident that JP Linden posted a link to it directly in the opening message here: /352/de/311513/1.html

What nonsense is this? If it "shouldn't have been published" why did you guys start a massive thread with the sole purpose of discussing it?

My only recourse will be to either leave, or get back to a 512 land tier just so I can come and visit. I have no intention of changing from 'mature' to 'adult', and I am sure LL will not offer me comparable space on a new sim. How sad for me. I will certainly not buy anything in SL until the results of this are known. It really changes everything

BT

Absolutely I agree. If my land on the mainland falls into this new "adult" category, and I'm forced with the choice of change my activity on my land, or move to the new ghetto, I would expect Linden Labs to provide me the same land attributes as I have now, including open water access, beachfront, etc.

What I do with my land is mine to decide until Linden Labs comes along and forces me to do something different with it. Then, the right thing for Linden Labs to do is give me equal to what I have in a location where I don't have to change my activities. Even and equal trade, and I'll even be willing to deal with having to reconstruct without complaining.

get your facs straight, it has always been 16 for sex and 18 for mariage, resently they even removed the need for the child or lgegal reprecentatives to go to the police themselfs, anyone can report it now.

/me gives an e-hug to her neighbor.

This will be far worse than epic fail - it'll be mortally wounded. And this approach when the teens arrive will get them sued by every atty general in the states. Heck, they may even ask the attys general from Guam and Puerto Rico to join in on the lawsuit against LL for creating a system where teens can see graphic sex acts just by camming around.

What aggravates me the most is not that creating the G rated continent prevents that liability while at the same time gives companies a safe place to do business, for less energy than their current plan. No, what peeves me the most is that against all logic and common sense, they won't even consider the idea! It's okay for them to march people off their builds at banhammer point to build Disneyland, but it's not okay to build it on untouched, virgin sim?

Bravo

I have been reading a lot of this thread and some of the others and I can't seem to find the answer to what I think is the most important part of this and that is just how are you going to handle this logistically. It seems to me that there are two options.

1. Linden Labs does a land swap with current owners that would be affected by this, providing land of equal or better quality including features such as waterfront, view, etc. If this route is taken I think I can live with this.

2. Linden Labs simply outlaws adult content where it is now and auctions off land on the new "adult" continent. If this is the route they take then it is completely unacceptable, as it will certainly devalue current land holdings and more likely than not the price of land on the new continent will be much higher (this is a guess based on what happened in Nautilus, etc.) Also, it is unfair, immoral and possibly in some places illegal to sell a product to someone with clear guidelines of how it can be used and then change that use in a way that devalues the land to the owner with no compensation.

If this question has been answered already by a Linden I would appreciate a link. If not then this is something that needs to be made clear now so people can plan accordingly.

I can live with this one as well.

I will get my facts straight when you get your spelling correct.

adds #2075 to my list.

I own a very small home rental place and i also have a sex skybox on the property as a way to cover around half of my tier fees. Under the new dictates from the Lindens the sex skybox has to go. But here's a thought... If one of my renters rezzes something or does something that I am unaware of that somehow violates the Lindens New World Order am I liable for it? Under these new dictates I think I will be. And everyone else inworld that rents to others...

They have ssaid nothing about allowing teens to play....now if you look at it, it's an EIGHT-TEEN, NINE-TEEN+ game, so you have two years in there where there are already "teens" playing, but 18 is the legal age of consent in the United States, where the game is based server wise, and majority workforce wise....and that is how it should be.

(closes this post so I stop writing)

At first, the Lindens asked us to discuss the idea of segretation. Then after we wasted our time, it was finally revealed that segretation had already been decided on, but they just wanted our input on a timeline and method to implement it.

Well, according to what the Lindens said in New World Notes, the timeline had already been decided. (And how do you have a timeline if you don't already know the method?)

"In any case, the clock will start ticking on this policy in early Summer, perhaps May. Adult content owners will need to start the movement process then. 'We're not going to put a hard line on that,' Cyn told me, 'at least sixty days.'"

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/red-light-segregation.html

So these threads were started in bad faith all along. So are they intentionally jerking us around, or just incompetent?

Many signs would point to incompetence. If they wanted to lie to us, one would think they'd have their lies straight from the start and not contradict each other.

I have a conspiracy theory, though. They wanted to incite an uproar. They wanted to bait a lot of inflamatory, off-topic response so they could point to it as a reason why asking our opinion in forums is useless.

I don't know which, but I'm sorry I've wasted my time on the topic, both in the form of complaint, and in the form of asking serious questions and answering Linden questions seriously, to be ignored. My fault, it's not the first time I fell for it.

Guess her Dutch is better then my English

THANK YOU!

Why did it take so long for that one simple point to be replied to, and action taken?

Now on to the next blatantly-ignored topic - Facilitating relocation:

The high road - good customer service:
Will landowners who are forced to move by this be offered a 1 for 1 swap of land, of equal features and suitability, facilitated by Linden Lab and and without an increase in tier? For example, if someone has a 4096 M2 protected waterfront parcel now, will they be given a 4096 M2 protected waterfront parcel on the new continent in direct exchange for their old land?

The Low Road - Screw the customers and force them to take a financial loss or leave :
Or will you auction off the Adult Continent sims to the speculators and land flippers, who will gouge the adult content merchants for insane prices per M2, because they have NO OTHER OPTION for relocation? And if some person is forced to accept a land-flipper's L$200 per M2 or more for their new land, in order to get something that vaguely resembles the quality of the land that they had before, will LL buy their old land at that same hyper-inflated price, so they don't take a huge loss? Because if LL doesn't buy the old land, there is no way they will get much more than L$2 per M2 their old land. The market will be glutted, and they will have to sell or take a huge hit in increased tier.

Except we didn't give them inflammatory off topic responses. We told them exactly why this wouldn't work, and gave them a simpler method that would work!

They are simply too inflexible-in-thought to consider it, that's all.

Oh but they have, they have said they have no immediate plans. Both Philip and M have both been quoted in the not so distant past as saying they'd prefer one grid.

I'm quoting this because I have asked at least 3 times already, as have many others. This is the Geography discussion, not the "what is adult" discussion or the anything-else discussion, and this point is completely and totally relevant.

People who will be affected by this 'mandatory move' need to know what they're in for and it's time for a Linden to please come forward and start to talk about how this is going to happen.

40 pages and no one's responded to this question, which has been asked over and over since the first few pages.

Thanks in advance.