Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

...or what will be next door in 6 months.

1. IBM is not on the mainland, they have their own estate.

2. Most schools are on estates too.

3. Even if they were on the mainland, it doesn't matter how rich they are, it matters how much land they're paying for.

Basically I am not gonna be happy unless I am assured that I am getting a deal directly from LL on this new land.

I will not be impressed if LL releases this land and LAND BARONS with a bottomless pit of cash to spend, buy up all the land and then try selling it on at an extreme mark up!

LL better set aside 32,000sqmtr of green land next to a road & linden water for me.

Regards

Stacey Sugar

Great suggestion for privacy, sure. Terrible suggestion for any sort of flight, with or without vehicle. Now, we can fly over banlines. You'd block that.

Your "paltry" tier payment is revenue for LL. If your content is deemed as needing to be moved to the new sim, are you really prepared to sell your current land, as insignificant as it may be, then purchase new land at a gouging rate???

Either way, there are alot of residents who pay "paltry" tier payment, but that is still revenue and money for LL, and no matter how insiginificant it is, they don't want to lose it.

I live on a beautiful Mainland Sim with wonderful neighbors that have been here since we purchased our First Land and subsequently acquired more. IF Mature means what has been quoted, I'm fine. If forced to move....would I be required to sell and purchase new land (UGH) or would it be a one-to-one swap??? To sell and repurchase would be an economic disaster.

This affects far more residents than the 2%-4% that they are projecting, that is why the feelings are so strong here.

LL has a huge misconception if that's all they think it will affect.

That is the big question that really isn't getting elaborated on, and from what it says in the wiki, we'll all have to repurchase the land in one gigantic real estate free-for-all.

/me points to the prices of land for sale at Bay City and Nautilus.

The land flippers are going to have a field day with an adults-only continent..

People who are not age verified, unless you sell via xstreet, will not be able to visit your store, I don't think.

the teen grid is movin on in,hello teens

The "just a teleport away" argument cuts both ways. Adult content is "just a teleport away" from any child who lied or used their parent's account to get on the grid. Adult predators are "just a teleport away" from children. Corporate workers are "just a teleport away" from adult content they aren't supposed to be viewing at work. Jeska, geography means little or nothing in terms of protection or separating out content, given the nature of the grid. Where it DOES have a profound effect is in the relocation itself. So far, LL has been silent on how this will be accomplished. Will landowners who wish to have Adult content be required to sell their (worthless) mainland into a falling market, and repurchase an Adult parcel in a seller's market?

Many people have made workable (still onerous, IMO, but workable) proposals, such as making the new continent G rated instead of Adult, and sending everyone there until they choose to age verify.

For myself, I continue to maintain that the only sure means of separation is the one you use now...completely separate grids. Go ahead, expand the Teen Grid or make a new. pristine Grid free of adult content. Call THAT "Second Life" if you want. Rename the current tawdry, porn-filled mess (that most of us like, at least well enough to keep paying tier) as something else, "Adult Life", or whatever. I know which neighborhood *I* prefer. I like spice and variety, even if others' tastes aren't the same as mine.

This to me seems to be the biggest sticking point for lots of people. I'm not an adult-themed business owner, and I live on an estate. But I want to know how LL is going to facilitate this 'mandatory move' for the Mainland people that are going to have to pick up and move to the new continent.

Some amazingly valid points have been made here:

-- if you already have premium mainland (linden ocean, protected roadside) will you be given that?

-- What is to stop land flippers from scooping up adult mainland and then price-gouging those people who have the choice of closing their business or moving?

-- For those people who have a half-sim and larger of contiguous land, for example -- but this actually includes EVERYONE affected by this -- who will be ensuring they will have access to that much, similarly-structured, Adult land?

These are some of the big questions, and I think it needs to be answered concretely, concisely and without question. It's basically unethical to tell someone they are forced to relocate to another part of the grid if they have to double their tier level to hold two chunks of land at the same time, sell their other mainland at a loss, and over-pay for new land.

In the real and virtual world, people make their homes where they do. They love their little places where they are. The RL place I grew up in was more than the wood, stone, and plaster than made it up -- it was the community and its people. The SL home I grew up in, likewise. It's not just the prims, it's watching the sunrise over our beach in Hunterwasser. The plots I've picked out in Bay City and Shermerville, too, are not simply chosen because "it's a spot," it's because I like the view, the neighbors, and the community in these locations.

Now I suspect that many of the places being affected by this contiential move don't care too much what the view out their back door is -- but some might. How will they know they're getting a location they'll want? How can they possibly have a spot that is "like home" when they'll be wholly uprooted.

Hello, Linden Lab...

This is a really bad news for me,

But Ok for moving in a special area for adults only, it maybe very interesting, hoping that will not generate more violence and grieffing from people who will considere this area as a fighting zone.

My problem is, that I have more than a sim 97000 sqm full with art galleries, in Aogashima, the Noopark.
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aogashima/225/162/34

It is a mixed area where they are "normals" art galleries, and also, in the sky, a BDSM Dungeon with soft erotic art galleries. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aogashima/190/210/108
It took Month for me, to build those buildings, with a specific design...
I am sad to leave there.. because I spend a long time choosing this region, for the quality of the neighborhood design, and because of the seashore, and the servers.


Do you think it will be possible to have some help from you, to transfer all the sims from your Aogashima server to the new one ... or will i have to rebuild all in the new land ?

Or maybe, i should buy an Island ?... but they are more expensives than what I have in Mainland... maybe you can help me to transfer my place in an Island ? I don't like Islands, we feel alone there...

Yann who don't know what to do...

And if LL follows their usual course of action, it will be like the way they rolled out the Nautilus Continent sims, Bay City and Nautilus City - the new Adult Sims will be auctioned to the highest bidder, will be bought by speculators, and the people who need to move will have to pay the speculators insane prices for the new land. Who wins? LL, from the auction sales at grossly inflated prices, and the land speculators, who will have buyers lined up with guns pointed to their heads, being told "Pay up or roll over and die." Faced with that. most will pack up and leave.

The OpenSpaces issue only affected a small segment of the SL population, and they had plenty of options as to where to move to if they didn't like the offer on a new Homestead deal. This change afects a far wider portion of the population, and those who want adult content will have only one choice for where to go - to the inflated prices of the adult ghetto's speculators.

They still REALLY need to clarify, IN WRITING, that the affected content is only for commercial or publicly visible parcels, and that what is done within closed doors or not as a business is clearly exempt. The current ruling in the FAQ STILL says that any REGION in which a resident "advertises, makes available, references, or displays" sexual content MUST be tagged as Adult. Region, not Parcel. Owners of Mainland estates with tenants who have ANY adult content would be forced to evict tenants, because there is NO exemptin for private, not visible to the public use.

Several Lindens have claimed in these forums that it won't affect what you do in your SL bedrooms. But that is NOT what the FAQ says. So, who lies? The FAQ, or the Lindens in these threads?

For those concerned about "taking a loss" with the new sims. How would you feel, for instance, if LL said you will get a parcel/sim equivalent to your old one - waterfront, landscaping, etc, and we will automatically move all your adult stuff over there for no fee.

Not only that, but the land you have vacated is yours to sell once you have vacated it.

How would THAT work for you? It wouldn't cost the Lindens anything, and wouldn't leave anybody out of pocket.

Would THAT be a workable solution for you?

The only reason I find some validity in this is that in many parts of the world, including the United States, these are difficult economic times, and perhaps it has come to the point that it is no longer cost-effective to run two seperate grids. Maybe it's cheaper to only maintain one grid.

I know it's been pretty much dismissed by some at linden labs, but it would be understandable if all they were doign was being mindful of their bottom line.

Also, perhaps a Linden could answer this question:

It seems to me if this were reversed, and PG and non-offensive content to education, corporate, business clients, AND new residents, were all included in one portion of the mainland and you needed adult verification or PIOF to get OUT of that continent...

That would solve multiple problems.

1) Gateway to teen grid.
2) Sprawling PG environment.
3) Educational and corporate estates could even be positioned to be near the PG continent
4) Bots would become a thing of the past unless someone wanted to make them all PIOF or age-verified.
5) Griefers would have a harder time creating throwaway accounts.

It ultimately makes more sense to make a safe environment for new residents that they can consciously choose to venture out of by taking required steps, which would ALSO put a big dent in some of these other issues, than punish others.

For me personally yes, chances are for alot of people, yes, but that really seems like it would turn what they feel is a simple transition, into a time-consuming logistical nightmare.

However....."THAT"....has not even been suggested.

*edit* - Has not been suggested by anyone at LL. They just speak of a "continent".

I completely agree.

Should I remain in Mature Mainland, will I be reported next time that I jump on my own sexbed? And what if an occasional visitor finds a Love Scene in my Intan system, mixed in between the slow dances? (it really happened, it is not an hypothetical situation)

I want to keep things like I have always done, I don't like the idea that everything is changed to make room for more conservative approaches. If you need such a space, make it in a new Continent and let us free to continue the way we are used to.

Can we vote on this?
Can we, as residents, count our preferences?

Or are we going to have the only option to leave in mass SecondLife, in the case that we don't like the treatment?

Here is where we use LL's own statements against them.

The claim is this will only affect 2-4% right? So put each plot that requires moving in an otherwise empty sim on the adult continent with terraforming like they have now.

What, there is not enough land on the new continent? But they said ...

Right, even though I have lived where I am now for more then a decade what I think of as 'home' is where I grew up. Who cares that I have not lived there in a long time or that someone else now owns the building?

You' d get the impression, reading this stuff that all the SL population is here for nothing more than sex.

I'm into porn probably more than your average Joe and maybe its because of that, that watching a stoopid little avatar doing it, --- does nothing for me .

What kind of people get off on this?

Whether its
sexual deviants with their sex torture machines or
kids giggling over it or
the Christian RIGHT at it again or
even disabled people doing what they cannot do in real life -
for Pete's sake - go find a free porn website.! It has to be more satisfying than this feeble childish alternative in SL. (tube8 , youporn )

LL please continue with a low tolerance for sex-orientated builders here.

The fantasy here can obviously include sexual attraction and romance but trying to simulate the sex act and seeing an avatar as human enough to get off-on, is real self delusion and needs therapy.

That's a common sense solution Dekka, something that is sadly lacking in LL's thinking. However yes, that would work for those offended by adult content and that would allow them to have their builds on parcels where the neighbours won't build a strip club.