Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content
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Tini Jewell
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03-13-2009 16:46
From: Jeska Linden Heya Rosie, apologies for not having further details on the move - since we've announced this with plenty of time in advance of anything *actually* happening, we don't have all of the details on the functional side of the move.
Without having the details, I can assure you that we will work closely with those who provide Adult goods or services so they can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. How does a business make a decision to do something without having all of the details? The decision has been made to move those with 'adult content', however that may be defined. It just means people should try selling their land now if they don't agree with the business decision that has been made but that is still being planned for how to make it happen. How can you assure anything without having the details? The details are the most important factors here! There is no way this will allow anyone who owns/does anything sexual to be able to continue their activities without disruptionor loss of business....I'm not a business owner but I am concerned about my own abilities to publicly display my personal 'wares' on my own land for which I pay quite a handsome fee to LL. |
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Jeska Linden
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03-13-2009 16:46
From: ninjafoo Ng I am getting more and more concerned that the focus of what makes a resident or their activities in SL mature or adult or not is aimed at the communities that they belong to.
Furry
Gorean & other roleplayers
Child AV's
Gay
Lesbian
Transgender
and on
and on
and on
Being a member of any of those communities in itself doesnt not make you mature, and certainly not adult. What a person does within those communities does.
Also, those communities (and many more that I havent listed) out number the scared ignorant by a massive majority. Ninjafoo (great name btw!) - I want to be very clear on this point to prevent any confusion. Linden Lab does not consider the LGBT community (or the Furry community or any of our various roleplayers or other communities) Adult in and of itself/themselves. As previously mentioned, Adult content is a very small portion of the large amounts of content and activities currently available in Second Life. Let me give an example: Group A (let's call them KILL'EM'ALL!!) role plays very graphically violent war reenactments (complete with copious amounts of blood and RL violence playing on a slew of screens nearby). Given the current thinking of "Adult" this content would need to move their publicly available war room from the Mainland to the Adult Continent. Then there's Group B (we'll call them NINJAS-4-FUN!) that role plays something that involves fighting with no graphic violence (mostly they just run around hiding behind things, sneakily). They would not have to move their home-base to the Adults-only continent. We realize (and embrace!) that Second Life is an open, creative space where all different types of people from all over the world come to express themselves, often in ways that they are unable to do in real life (for whatever reason). Our motivation in these changes is not only allow, but encourage this behavior further while also ensuring that all Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner in which they desire. (In other words, so that I don't accidentally stumble into a scene reminiscent of a Quentin Tarantino movie when I'm showing Second Life to my 89 year old Grandmother).
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Miro Collas
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03-13-2009 16:49
From: Catleya Piaggio People don't spend money to make expensive system changes or risk making huge segments of their customer base angry/leave unless they are having their hand forced by some authority. I'm willing to bet the age players and pedo's have garnered enough FBI interest to threaten a shut down of LL altogether if they don't play ball with authorities and A. age verify like other adult paid services on the net, and B. corale the worst of the worst into a manageable environment that can be adequately filtered and monitored for the sake of plausible deniability. People don't change things that work that make them money unless they have their arm twisted quite painfully. I wish that were the case, but I doubt it. As I said before, this is American corporate-think. Adult stuff must be "hidden" away, regardless of the cost. LL is just new to the game, compared to other companies, which have been doing this sort of thing for a long time - and are STILL coping with the mess that results. Corporations are by their nature "right wing", meaning they must *appear* to be squeaky clean. Sex should not be seen, anything which is "offensive" to the corporate conservative mind must be either removed or hidden or marginalized. Maybe some CEOs of such companies go home to get tied up with their wives' stockings while having ... things done to them with vegetables - but on the surface, all sex is a Bad Thing, officially. Even without vegetables being involved.  |
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Harmony Levee
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03-13-2009 16:50
From: m its inception, Second Life has been an open place, where Residents are free to explore a wide diversity of creative pursuits. This openness has fostered a tremendous amount of amazing content inworld and helped make Second Life what it is today. We're committed to preserving that openness, while at the same time ensuring that Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner most suited to their needs and interests.[/QUOTE
Wouldnt using search do this as opposed to making a whole new continent? correct me if i'm wrong
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Bhakta Thor
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03-13-2009 16:52
From: Jeska Linden Heya Rosie, apologies for not having further details on the move - since we've announced this with plenty of time in advance of anything *actually* happening, we don't have all of the details on the functional side of the move.
Without having the details, I can assure you that we will work closely with those who provide Adult goods or services so they can continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. wow, you are really going to do this. My entire life style in SL is adult, will you move me too? What if I want to move rather than stay in a merely mature area...is that something for senior citizens? Darn! I have spent thousands here, I have a feeling I will not want to stay anymore. BT |
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AlexanderD Schumann
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03-13-2009 16:58
From: Temporal Mitra I am a bit worried about the outcome of your planned changes...since no one solution is going to please the majority of the residents of SL...you have often lauded us for our creativity...and that creativity carries over from our creations...to the ways we do business.
I personally own 98% of a mainland sim...I have a dozen businesses on it...some are adult themed, like theaters, and a club...some are strictly PG themed, like my gadget shop...some are a combination...how will the decision be made to determine where my sim will end up? Or will they split the sim in half and recombine it with another?...if so, what about the thousands of landmarks I have out there to bring people to my various shops?
Because half of my businesses are adult oriented, will I have to move half of my land holdings to another continent? Will I have to move my builds?...what about combined builds where I have PG products on the first floor..and an adult oriented business on the second floor?...who will cover my loss of business during the move...?..or if because half of businesses are adult oriented will my entire sim be moved?...what about those few landowners in the sim that dont wish to move? Will they be forced to move along with me, because I am the majority landowner?
What about my loss of business I will incurr if I am forced to move to a new continent...and because few people will want to participate in age verification, my business suffers from it. It has been shown dramatically, over a year ago, that people will leave SL enmass rather than submit their information to a third party company that has a history of reselling information.
More important questions...WHY merge the teen grid at all...why force people that joined SL strictly BECAUSE it was an adult platform..where we could be assured we would be interacting with other adults...to now interact with children? The entire appeal of SL is that you can get AWAY from the kids for a while.
If you want to provide an environment where parents can interact with their kids...where educators can reach teens...why not put some age verification controls on the current teen grid, rebrand it as the "Family Grid"...allow age verified adults with teen family members to enter there...allow verified educators to enter...allow those business people that are age verified to enter there...and keep the adult grid the way it is...This should be considered seriously...as a TEST to see if SL residents really wish to interact with teens...if you tested your idea that everyone wants to be on a single grid with this methodology...you could gauge whether there were mass numbers of adults that wanted access to a "family" grid, without making any irreversible changes to the main grid. If you see that in six months, there has been a mass exodus to the family grid, and that hours in world are dropping dramatically on the main grid...then you will have some validation that it is a good idea. But I think you will see that some business people will want to establish shops and stores there...educators will go there...some parents...but the vast majority of residents will remain happily separate.
Right now, the idea of joining the grids is merely an untested concept...that may very well boomarang on LL as some of the other shortsighted concepts you have tried in the past have...
Additionally, there is the issue with adult predators being allowed to intermingle with children, many social interaction networks...facebook, myspace have seen what happens when adults are allowed to interact with children in an unsupervised environment...and dont think that age verification will solve that issue...predators are experienced at using subterfuge to obfuscate their presence on the internet...there are elaborate IP spoofing programs, mac address spoofers...as well as entire lists of stolen identity SS cards, that will allow a REAL predator to pretend to be anyone they wish.
Why in the world would you think about joining children with adults...purposely creating an environment that can be gamed to allow predatory behavior? I would guess that places that currently have a mixed customer base, and are daily taking hits in the papers, and spending huge sums of money to try to keep predators OUT of their systems, would love to have age separated sites. Now you are just creating another one...
Do you think that there is a great deal of money to be made from teens?..that they have a ton of disposable income they just cant wait to toss into the LL coffers?...If that is the case, why aren't they doing it over on the teen grid? Do you think that families want to sit in different rooms of their own house and interact across an internet link?...if so, there is already a place for them to do that...it's called a "living room"..most houses have them...and they are 3d too...hell, you don't even need a computer to use them...
Temporal Mitra Nothing too much to add to your words, I believe everything you said is the most reasonable correct and polite could be said about this big issue. LindenLab take the quoted words to seriously re-think your new policy especially for whatever concerns moving sims and the land part of it and the XXX continent or however you wanna name it. Alex |
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Hubs Howlett
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for fairness sake, what about controls?
03-13-2009 17:05
Well, lots of very good comments and suggestions - I just have a couple of points which, I don't believe, have been raised so far (might have skipped some - if so, sorry!)
I own and run a gay sex club, and talking with other gay club owners, we don't really have an issue in having our sims categorised as "Adult" - quite the opposite, we welcome the move. We do not want minors, we do not want "lost" tourists, and we're working on "educating" the noobs (so they start to understand that Payment Info on File, and Age Verification can be a benefit to them).
However, our concern is about fairness - we might play by the rules, others won't... and those who won't will have a lot to gain. Lots of people in SL are reluctant to give away payment or other personal information - unless they are forced to do so.
1. What solution the Lidens have in mind to make sure an "Adult" tag is effectively applied to ALL Estates with adult material?
Will it be voluntary? If so, I can predict that this will NOT be consistently applied! Therefore, those cunning ones wishing to get the traffic (and the related L$) will not put an "Adult" tag on their sims... that would defeat the whole idea.
2. On the mainland (or even on the Estates) how the Lidens plan to make sure that parcels in "Mature" areas will not be turned into ones with "Adult" material once (and IF) the move to the "Adult" continent will be done?
Both will happen, unless the Lindens put an effective control in place. Unfortunately, talking to the other owners, our common experience (particularly regarding the poor lack of action regarding reported abuse...) make us believe that the Lindens will just rely on new Terms of Services (and will look the other way).
Our preception, well: a good idea, but really need more work, and investment from the Lindens. Of course, the solution of a PG-rated "Disneyland" continent seems, once again, the easiest - and cheapest - option for the Lindens.
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Phoenix Welles
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03-13-2009 17:06
From: Bhakta Thor wow, you are really going to do this. My entire life style in SL is adult, will you move me too? What if I want to move rather than stay in a merely mature area...is that something for senior citizens?
Darn! I have spent thousands here, I have a feeling I will not want to stay anymore.
BT Bhakta... lol you and I both know that if they move you they'll have to move all of archers. NONE of us in that sim would be safe if this is too heavy. I've got dancepoles in my club (which only gets used for fun anyway) where sometimes avatars get nekkie if I throw a party. And then that doesn't even get into how many people run around there fully armed.  {{HUGGLES}} |
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Miro Collas
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03-13-2009 17:07
From: Jeska Linden We realize (and embrace!) that Second Life is an open, creative space where all different types of people from all over the world come to express themselves, often in ways that they are unable to do in real life (for whatever reason). Our motivation in these changes is not only allow, but encourage this behavior further while also ensuring that all Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner in which they desire. (In other words, so that I don't accidentally stumble into a scene reminiscent of a Quentin Tarantino movie when I'm showing Second Life to my 89 year old Grandmother). Jeska, with all due respect, that argument doesn't hold water. By very simple logic, if you are giving someone a tour, you will take them to places you know. And you will select those places based on who you are taking. Therefore, you would avoid places which you know would be troubling to your guest. No, this is about appeasing corporate heads and the small but very vocal minority who want "adult" material done away with. All of the other justifications are merely window dressing, after-the-fact excuses tailored to suit the decision already made. The fact that creating a "G"-Rated continent is a far better solution for ALL (residents *and* Lindens) gets no response because that doesn't serve to segregate "adult" activity and content - and it is segregation which is the desired goal, not making SL a better place for the few who are "offended" by such things. Course I know, given your job at LL, that you can't confirm or deny this. I am not expecting you to. I don't envy you your job, frankly. |
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ninjafoo Ng
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03-13-2009 17:15
From: Jeska Linden (In other words, so that I don't accidentally stumble into a scene reminiscent of a Quentin Tarantino movie when I'm showing Second Life to my 89 year old Grandmother). Thats what PG land was for. We don't want to be punished because there was no plan for the PG vs Mature sim deployment. This is going to be really really devisive and as good are your intentions are, it will split allong community lines. All I can say is I hope the new adult landmass is big, becuase we are all going to be there by choice or indirectly because we have to follow our social network or business customers. And I really dont want to be you when this splits social groupings apart because some are unable to verify as adult. It would be simpler to just write the mainland off as "Adult". 2-4% is so far wide of the mark its laughable. Pretty much EVERY mainland public site with a pulse will be forced to move.
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Aeon Snook
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03-13-2009 17:21
From: Blondin Linden Those that are forced to move won't be expected to pay for it. How about those of us in the "grey zone" (let's call them NINJAS-4-FUN with a VENGENCE), who hope to avoid any future scorn of Big Brother/vigilant neighbourhood watch complaints? Will we be given a choice to relocate at no cost also..? |
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Jumpman Lane
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03-13-2009 17:22
From: Jp Linden We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have, and our goal is to provide Adult goods or service providers the means to continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. In the coming months, we will announce the plan to help the affected Residents and Merchants get set up on the new mainland. While this move will only be required of mainland Residents who wish to continue to provide Adult content or engage in Adult activity, estate owners with Adult content on their land will also be required to flag their estate appropriately. Estate owners or tenants will not be required to move to the new Adult mainland, though certain estate tenants wishing to reside on a parcel of a maturity setting appropriate to their desired activity may need to move to an appropriately flagged private estate. What is important for us to consider in this regard from a Resident perspective? Adult Oriented FAQ: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032consider that you are adversly impacting an acxtually PROFITABLE segment of ur "community" that actually monetizes your company for an nonexistant group that wishes to explore sl safely lmao. i can understand the search settings. similar to googles safe modes. but MOVING residents segragation on SPECIOUS DEFINITIONS (the supreme court has no valid definition of obcenity, u propose to define what is adult content or not would my tag ceo slut mag inc be considerd adult. would i be prohibited from weariong it around the grid?). just crap. put urself outta business. in these tough economic times u really should consider makin ur 'game" freer, easier to use, more enjoy7able for people actually spending money. not the non profit, casual edu-tard users
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Hypatia Callisto
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03-13-2009 17:24
Seriously, I dont see any good coming out of any of it.
I predict a rise of sex biz on the mainland while this is getting hashed out, due to the scent of "free land" in exchange for crummy mainland holdings.
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Aeon Snook
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03-13-2009 17:27
From: Hypatia Callisto Seriously, I dont see any good coming out of any of it.
I predict a rise of sex biz on the mainland while this is getting hashed out, due to the scent of "free land" in exchange for crummy mainland holdings. LOL, was just thinking along those lines myself. |
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Harmony Levee
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03-13-2009 17:28
I think the biggest thing for me is this. I'm not a business person in SL anymore, gave that up years ago. Anyway.... If anything your robbing and saying basically "thanks, but to bad" to alllllllll, and I mean all the oldschool builders, business runners and people of that nature in the "Mature" type businesses. I dont care what you say, Adult content has made SL the popular place it is today. Not a doubt in my mind. Whether its a BDSM club, a Bits selling store or a nudie club...they built SL. The beginners of this who are still out and about, and nevermind created the market basically by being the first to think "hmmm havent seen that yet". your screwing them! I could care less really if I need to go to some world thats created for adult stuff. But I guarantee your going to lose alot of the people who helped create SL as far as inworld content and sakes and competition. The hands that helped feed you, you are now cutting off. Very, very sad. I know its all about corporate now and no longer the freedom we once had in SL years ago. Again, i have a rotten distaste in my mouth. And to all you who helped create SL as far as businesses and clubs and whatnot. I'm sorry this has happened to you because as far as I'm concerned, you all are the reason SL has grown to its size. Thank you very, very much |
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Karen Sirnah
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03-13-2009 17:30
How will this effect private estates that are broken up into parcels for rent. Lets say the sim resides next to a sim with adult content and parts of the sim that you are in also has adult content, will the whole sim become flagged to keep people from flying over the ban lines after tping into an unflagged parcel in order to bypass the verification system?
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Catriana Ninetails
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Wow. So just....Wow.
03-13-2009 17:32
Based on the update to the posting Lindens made yesterday, basically what they have said is "Thanks for your feedback, but we are not planning to consider any actual suggestions. We had already made up our minds what we planned to do when we posted, and all we really want from you is for you to move." Mr. and Ms. Linden, may I ask why you are unwilling to consider that your plan may be misguided, misinformed, and just plain bad for those of us who have invested time and money into this game? Why you are stigmatizing a certain sector of the community for the benefit of another sector of the community? I feel like I am being personally singled out, marked as unwanted, and shipped off to some nebulous "continent" of people just like me, where none of my hard developed business plans will work, where none of my long fought for location will exist, and where I will be subject to the political correctness police. I am PERSONALLY offended, and I am sure there are MANY others who feel the same way. I realize that to you, second life is a business, and you are trying to maximize your traffic and income stream the way the rest of us are, but we do not have the advantage of being able to just shove the things that get in our way off to some other location. If, as you say in your update, ALL of SL is 18+, why then the need to sanitize it? Adults are adults...they can be mature and walk away from things that offend them. I do it every day in SL.
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Krazzora Zaftig
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03-13-2009 17:34
OK linden labs you wanted our opinion and I think most of us are agreeing it's just a bad idea. However in the process if you are going to continue down the path most of us agree that a few things would have to be met:
1) Moves would have to be fair and open to all. Mature land is no longer mature land. Your new rules shakes that to the core. Otherwise why the move. People bought mature land cause it was the tops, end all say all, "do as you please".
2) Moves need to be equal. Moving from high price, next to void land/linden boarder needs to continue that. Noone will be happy losing money on a policy implmented by LL. Also think of the neighbors when moving. As others have stated they move to land cause it doesn't have certain things or they love thier neighbors. Let them move together to thier new home sim.
3) User need to be moved with time to convert. This is a huge move and LMs, notices, search functions, and even builds will have to be moved. Noone expects LL to give exactly the same shap of property back so we can't just up and move things. We build things for what we have building boarder to boarder.
I am sure there are others but again can't filter through all the messages.
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Hypatia Callisto
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03-13-2009 17:34
From: Aeon Snook LOL, was just thinking along those lines myself. grins, yeah, at this moment I am glad I have land in a PG sim on the mainland. At least it's got a chance at remaining somewhat stable. Really, if the issue is trying to consolidate the mainland and reorganise it, LL should just say that's what they want to do. Pull all PG sims together into their own continent and let them interop from there to Teen Grid if you want at some point, put all the mature sims in their own lands. It will be painful but its probably a better idea and solve it once and for all.
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Clarissa Lowell
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03-13-2009 17:37
From: Catleya Piaggio People don't spend money to make expensive system changes or risk making huge segments of their customer base angry/leave unless they are having their hand forced by some authority. I'm willing to bet the age players and pedo's have garnered enough FBI interest to threaten a shut down of LL altogether if they don't play ball with authorities and A. age verify like other adult paid services on the net, and B. corale the worst of the worst into a manageable environment that can be adequately filtered and monitored for the sake of plausible deniability. People don't change things that work that make them money unless they have their arm twisted quite painfully. Maybe - but I was thinking about AOL and how preds would get in there and chat to kids. Before AOL went free, wasn't everyone in there registered with payment info? Including the kids. SO how will payment info or other ID stop kids getting in SL? And if LL isn't merging the grids (at least for now) why is any of this necessary anyway. You might be right is what I'm saying (makes as much sense as my other guesses) but I can't see how this (these changes) addresses it. Only way is to keep an offical stance of "adults only." That protects LL I'd think. At least. (But still not the kids - that falls on them/their parents/guardians.) I thought about "hmm maybe I could snap up land super cheap, you know the adage when blood is on the streets buy property" but then suppose I ran Clarissa's Fluffy Bunny PG-land. And something bad happened to a kid in there, because some pedo sought it out as a spot to meet kids, and IM'd one of them. On 'my land.' I'd be legally liable. (Not LL, I reckon.) Just because that land was 'mine' - even though I knew nothing of it. No thanks! |
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Ciaran Laval
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03-13-2009 17:37
The words "piss up" and "brewery" spring to mind. It's clear that Linden Lab employees have no clue whatsoever what is going on in their world, let's simplify this, stop pussyfutting and pandering to minority interests, the vast majority of people are grown up enough to turn a blind eye.
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Jumpman Lane
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03-13-2009 17:37
From: Harmony Levee I think the biggest thing for me is this. I'm not a business person in SL anymore, gave that up years ago. Anyway.... If anything your robbing and saying basically "thanks, but to bad" to alllllllll, and I mean all the oldschool builders, business runners and people of that nature in the "Mature" type businesses. I dont care what you say, Adult content has made SL the popular place it is today. Not a doubt in my mind. Whether its a BDSM club, a Bits selling store or a nudie club...they built SL. The beginners of this who are still out and about, and nevermind created the market basically by being the first to think "hmmm havent seen that yet". your screwing them! I could care less really if I need to go to some world thats created for adult stuff. But I guarantee your going to lose alot of the people who helped create SL as far as inworld content and sakes and competition. The hands that helped feed you, you are now cutting off. Very, very sad. I know its all about corporate now and no longer the freedom we once had in SL years ago. Again, i have a rotten distaste in my mouth. And to all you who helped create SL as far as businesses and clubs and whatnot. I'm sorry this has happened to you because as far as I'm concerned, you all are the reason SL has grown to its size. Thank you very, very much all for some FIGMENT, some faceless user that wants to enjoy sl with out adult content? who? its some tard Linden in the lab who has an "idea" to attract more corp money. idiots who come into sl and FAIL and leave. No user is going to come to sl , avoid adult areas and STAY in sl and make crap. even furries yiff. they PLAY sl. goreans PLAY sl. some edu-tard or coca cola aint. IBM? do they even MAKE computers anymore. the macartuhr group. geeze. people who log in day after day monetize your company. and they cyber! inconvenience them. a safe search mode similar to googles searcjhis ok. destroying the land market, driving tards to the mainland then segregating paying users into carp sims. great plan. see ya in chapter 11.
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Katheryne Helendale
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03-13-2009 17:48
From: Jp Linden We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have, and our goal is to provide Adult goods or service providers the means to continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. In the coming months, we will announce the plan to help the affected Residents and Merchants get set up on the new mainland. While this move will only be required of mainland Residents who wish to continue to provide Adult content or engage in Adult activity, estate owners with Adult content on their land will also be required to flag their estate appropriately. Estate owners or tenants will not be required to move to the new Adult mainland, though certain estate tenants wishing to reside on a parcel of a maturity setting appropriate to their desired activity may need to move to an appropriately flagged private estate. What is important for us to consider in this regard from a Resident perspective? Adult Oriented FAQ: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6032So, let me see if I have this right: I rent a parcel on a mature private estate. I have a child avatar whom I adopted living with me. There are no adult, sex-oriented objects anywhere in public view on the sim at ground level. There *may* be adult, sex-oriented objects in other peoples' bedrooms in other parcels on the sim's ground level. Will my in-world child avatar daughter have to move out because of this? Now, let's say that the sim also hosts a club, located at high altitude. The club and estate owners have very rigidly-enforced rules prohibiting child avatars from going up to the club - a rule well-respected by the child avatars living here. However, because of this club, the ENTIRE sim MUST be adult-flagged, including its residential areas. Will my in-world child avatar daughter be forced to move out because of this? |
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Carrie Easterman
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03-13-2009 17:54
LOL they must have a deathwish. We're entering the biggest recession since the 1930s and they alienate half of their existing customers with an initiative craved by almost nobody. All for the holy grail of accommodating a community of penniless teens (whose main motivation for being here anyway will be to actively seek out the "adult" content which has been banned - take note those who have sexbeds on "private" cammable land, prepare for little Johnny in Arkansas to be spying on you omg lolllzz omg), or alternatively to vainly pursue a non-existent market of "educational establishments" naive enough to believe an online computer game is the right medium to pursue their business. Good luck with that lindens. And by the way, what percentage of the US$600 I spent on my mainland parcel will I recoup when I am forced to sell it when these regulations come in and half the mainland is yellow? Will it be 2% to 4% ? These seem to be your favourite fantasy numbers.
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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03-13-2009 17:59
From: Jp Linden We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have, Do you still want to stand by this statement in the light of the overwhelming feedback of your userbase? |