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Grady Vuckovic
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03-14-2009 00:42
I would personally like to volunteer my services to make such an icon.
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Marcuw Schnook
Scripter
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03-14-2009 01:11
I would personally like to volunteer my services to make such an icon. Again, the Icons are made... ![]() Bottom row, left to right: - violence - sex - fear - drugs - discrimination - foul language However, if these icons are to be used by SL/Linden, then they must adhere to the following: -- Kijkwijzer and all her age and content indicators (pictograms) are registered trademarks and may not be used without authorization. NICAM is also the copyright holder of the pictograms. Only when specific authorization is granted a person is allowed to use the pictograms. This authorization will only be granted if the use of the pictograms supports the objectives of Kijkwijzer. Professional users are allowed to download the pictograms from the ‘professionals’ page after they have received specific authorization. -- Or indeed device their own set of icons. |
Vanity Bonetto
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@ Cyn Linden
03-14-2009 01:17
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Christiano: Mature and PG stay the same, only Adult content (explicitly sexual or extremely violent content) will be affected by changes in search. I just bought a mainland sim to build a new hotel there ... offering @home entertainment systems at every apartment where adult movies can be watched ... I am building on that for four weeks now, spending many hours there every day and it is almost ready ... Its a giant building with 51 apartments, all on separate parcels and the building itself is not linked of course .... Now let me guess: In some weeks I can nuke the whole thing because you want make SL a kiddy playground ? Or what ? |
Aphrodite Tagore
Not of This World
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TP and Parcel boundary Warning...
03-14-2009 01:47
You know, instead of uprooting everything, and creating a ghetto... (we all know what eventually happens to ghettos...they become depopulated by one means or another)...
Why not employ the Advice given by another poster on I think it was the motives and goals thread, to simply warn TPers and also those making ground and flight entries, that they are entering a so-called "Adult" parcel.... A giant red light district doesn't cut the mustard, imho, and believe me, I am sure gonna get myself a PG parcel somewhere, and put up a nice sculptie of Michaelangelo's David...and the Venus de Milo. It is too bad that a number of things are as they are...LL's SecondLife seems to be the only metaverse somewhat similar in nature to a functional and viable one, and also, that it seems that Freedom of expression is going the way of discrete transistors here. I would really love to hear a reply about about Rennaisance and later art.... nudes of any kind from the pre-computer age. And, I recall my High School Girlfriend's German teen magazines...gee, for the fourteen to eighteen year old set, like the US "Ingenue" was, but, with constant partial nudity and a good deal of full frontal photographic nudity as well. Unless you guys have the technical capacity to move my parcels lock stock and barrel halfway across the grid without disturbing anything, I would avoid even thinking of trying such a traslation. YOU CANNOT EVEN COMPETE A SERIES OF ADMIN RESTARTS ON MAINLAND SIMULATORS WITHOUT JETTISONING RESIDENTS' BELONGINGS ACROSS THE BROAD CONTINENT HELTER SKELTER. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TECHNICAL CAPACITY OR COMPETENCE TO DO THE MOVE YOU SUGGEST. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THOSE TECHNOLOGIES WITH ANY CORRECTNESS WITHIN ANY REASONABLY CONSIDERED PERIOD OF TIME. ONLY IF OFFERED ONE YEAR'S FREE TIER WOULD I CONSIDER REBUILDING MY FACILITIES IF NEEDED IN SUCH A MOVE. /me says skip that expensive and disasterous pipedream, and expand the EXISTING parcel access funtion to have dialogue with entering Residents. Far more simplerer, betterer, yes? Just stick in a modification of the pay to enter part of the code... it is truly as easy as that... unless you have lost expertise of that function as you once did the particle system. Now I gotta go and learn how to make a sculptie of the beautiful "David" and also of the lovely "Venus de Milo". Please, though, no verdamtter und verschricht red tape in the sky, eh? Just a pop up floater to the Resident, who is stalled at the parcel boundary until accepting or decling entry.... Yeah peeps will prolly *game* on not *flagging* their parcels, but, well, if you gonna have policies big boys and sweet women, you gotta have compliance audits. I'll audit for you for $74 USD hourly, and keep appropriate logs on the system needed to assure compliance. If you don't want to do that in the virtual world that we create of our imaginations and sorta own, as much as a tennant of The Crown holds their house in Old Blighty if they have rents to nobility, well, then, hell, I say dump the regs, the bank is offshore, lets go back to the wild west we had in 2006...that was the bomb, and what sold me on this simulation. Barbaric, Iconoclstic, Prudish Miscreants: Keep you morals off my Agent and my Parcel. 'kk...nuff prattle from me. |
Ian Undercroft
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03-14-2009 01:51
It seems to me that the problem here is poor continental development controls. PG sims directly bordering M sims was folly. It seems too late for it now to be undone on existing continents in any reasonably practicable manner.
If these changes are all about personal choice, why not let all users choose how to classify themselves and then allow estate owners to choose which of those classifications to allow entry to their estates? For example users could choose from the following (and in part I jest): (1) Sexual pervert (2) Gun-toting griefer (3) LIBERAL, OPEN-MINDED, TOLERANT ADULT (4) Corporate big-Wig (5) Corporate suit (6) Bearded, pipe-smoking, sandal-wearing academic (7) Religious zealot ( ![]() (9) Fragile, overly sensitive, frustrated wall-flower (9) Spotty, immature teen Given such options, I could then decide who might be offended by objects, activities and conversations on my estate and those who I would rather not visit my estate. If, as I believe, these changes represent LL pandering to corporate, educational and religious institutions, leave them instead in their own, isolated, dull and bland PG world, which is where they appear to want to be given LL's own example of PG use: "For instance, institutions such as universities, conference organizers, and real world businesses whose users may not wish to view or interact with the broader Second Life experience" It is supreme arrogance and an instance of over-inflated self-importance that those who do "not wish to view or interact with the broader Second Life experience" which the liberal, tolerant, open-minded majority of SL users enjoy, should seek to raise issues with and impose restrictions on that broader experience. |
Felix Oxide
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03-14-2009 01:57
"For instance, institutions such as universities, conference organizers, and real world businesses whose users may not wish to view or interact with the broader Second Life experience" _____________________
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Zug Urqhart
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03-14-2009 02:11
underage players are responsability of their parents. Provide a SL viewer restricting teleport and access only to non mature, non adult lands for the kids and teens who want to play, so that their parents can be sure they dont visit other areas. I dont wanna be bothered by that, it's unfair and unreasonable.
I personally dont want to be forced to give my credit card access to Linden or anyone else, just to be verified. And i dont wanna waste my time age verifying myself in some silly site, because of some kid playing adult (probably paying for that). I really dont like your plan, aldo because it cant stop an underaged player to use his parent's account to roam anywhere he/she likes, in a very age verified way... or are you gonna suggest we all buy our own retina scan device too? Be serious, and stop that madness you are planning. Find a way to rein in kids without bothering adults, please Thank you for the great work, btw... SL rocks ![]() |
Ian Undercroft
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03-14-2009 02:11
Translation: "Your users are freaks and if you want our money and positive press you will make them invisible." I agree, Felix! But I strongly suspect that a significant number of SL users are graduates of such educational institutions and, without doubt, the typical SL user is representative of the customer base of such corporations. |
Aphrodite Tagore
Not of This World
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John Ashcroft
03-14-2009 02:13
As I mentioned some eight years or so back, if John Ahscroft wants to watch me shower, he's going to have to pay $4.99 per minute like every other red blooded American man.
I dunno, I keep forgetting to mention that past utterance, and, well, to this situation, it is just all so apropos. |
Monalisa Robbiani
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03-14-2009 02:22
foul language I thought this is supposed to be someone vomiting. *G* _____________________
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Aphrodite Tagore
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Goddess Rest Sweet Gilda Radner
03-14-2009 02:32
One further bit of verbiage:
This is, in all likeliehood, not the result of concern for the junveniles illegally within the main grid. It is the Church Lady. (Respects to late Gilda; we all love you.) It could be BYU. I dunno, it might be Boston College, or Notre Dame, or the College of William and Mary. It could be Disney (may they burn for eons in the stygian pit.) "In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson |
Clarissa Lowell
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03-14-2009 02:45
Simpler, (IME) Aphrodite. Follow the money trail.
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Titania Bracken
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03-14-2009 02:46
We realize (and embrace!) that Second Life is an open, creative space where all different types of people from all over the world come to express themselves, often in ways that they are unable to do in real life (for whatever reason). Our motivation in these changes is not only allow, but encourage this behavior further while also ensuring that all Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner in which they desire. (In other words, so that I don't accidentally stumble into a scene reminiscent of a Quentin Tarantino movie when I'm showing Second Life to my 89 year old Grandmother). AHHHH but MOST of these areas are pretty clear so you DON'T "stumble" on them. A lot of the figting areas are on their own sims, like Toxia, and some are in the sky way above normal flight height (sorry cant remember the name) but 99% of these sex areas or fighting RP areas have names which are very clear what they are, if you do a search, you would have to be a bit silly to accidentally TP to one of these places without knowing what it is as the search enginge provides all the keywords needed to make it obvious what sort of area it is. _____________________
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Eleanor Ocheis
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03-14-2009 02:54
and yes , they go at 2.000m to look your house . They did to me and will always does , bc they think in the sl dont need to respect , and its not a place for privacy too . Well if changes come , and make the life worse there , SL will have my good bye . And one bed with sexgen dont mean someone is perv , because they sexual life is private . The nosy ppl would be sent to a special sim , so they dont go to see what they dont want , even puting their nose inside our homes . This is an important point because we are all guilty of it. I have cammed into places I should not have and gotten an eyeful. The difference is I don't go crying to Linden Labs that I'm offended, especially if it's a skybox or a private home. If I would not have cammed in or gone where I shouldn't have, I would not have seen it because it was not public. I think the only reasonable exception is child porn but if I get an eyeful of Xcite D/s fetish kink between two adult avs? Hey, my fault for looking. I won't do that again. This is the benefit of having an adult only world - we are expected to behave as adults and use common sense. This is why my skybox is at an unusually high altitude. It also has a visitor counter meaning if I see a name on the list that should not be there, it's an instant ban off the property. Unfair? Maybe but one thing I've learned and learned quickly is that if it's a home or in the air - it ain't public unless the land owner says so. |
Titania Bracken
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03-14-2009 03:01
OK over 700 posts and although I haven't read ALL of them, I dont see anyone agreeing with the Lindens propsals, so what doe that tell us? Either they are too worried about being shot down, or the number of people complaining about thes RP/sex areas that started the ball rolling are so few in number it's not worth joining in the chat. I ill do not believe that only 2-4% (as the lindens put it) of SL is adult content. I can see tonnes of adult content areas on neighbouring sims, and if i keep walking I see more and more and more, surely far more than 4% of SL lol.
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Qie Niangao
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03-14-2009 03:10
I predict a rise of sex biz on the mainland while this is getting hashed out, due to the scent of "free land" in exchange for crummy mainland holdings. So I'll find some piece of crap parcel in a adfarm-tattered sim on one of those godforsaken eastern continents, load it up with the most revolting sex-drugs-and-violence freebies I can find, stamp the parcel ID Verified, and wait for my ship to come in. |
Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
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03-14-2009 03:19
How about making the adult continent voluntary? Personally I think a PG or G, rated continent and an adult continent might work, adult ventures might actually like the idea of setting up shop on the new continent, certainly some of the bigger adult companies who don't currently have a presence here, they might feel secure and if it's voluntary and business are being told you have the advantage of your customers being verified adults it might be appealing.
However that boils down to a real choice for users, forcing people to move does not boil down to a real choice. Let's get real here though, sex clubs are busy, you'd struggle to get three of them on a sim. |
Cully Andel
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Will we have to move
03-14-2009 03:25
This may be on here - but could Linden Labs please clarify.
I live on a Mature sim, I engage in 'adult' activities with my boyfriend in the confines of our own home. 1- Are you planning to downgrade Mature sims to PG sims? 2 - Will we have to move to the adult sim? This seems to be what most people are asking - a straightforward yes or no to both is what we want. |
Lord Sullivan
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03-14-2009 03:54
We run an Adult BDSM sim (well 3/4s) linked to our RL profile website and we have 1/4 sim in a Mature area, which will become my wifes shop as her products are mature not adult lol. So whilst i am against the forced move after discussing it with our 800+ members group and sleeping on it, we have decided to bite the bullet and move if forced to do so as long as LL are good to do what i have read in replies here and it wont cost us anything and the land is swapped size for size on the new adult land.
Yes we may lose some members due to the fact they can't or won't verify, but hopefully we will gain some more members looking for a BDSM hangout linked to a RL profile website and it will be lots of rebuilding (glad my wife is the builder lol). LL keeps messing us all around but at the end of the day for all their stupidity and mis management SL is still for us a great and cheap advertising platform for the website and many of our members there joined SL because we have a presence here. I just wish LL would be more clear in the definitions and all the Lindens should start singing from the same song sheet and not be so selective in answering questions. If you can't tell us stuff as its still secret LL stuff then at least be honest with us and tell us and as i have said don't treat your paying customers like frigging mushrooms, we don't deserve it as many of us spend a lot of money with you each and every month and while we moan, rightly at times at least treat us like you value us and if you can't make it, at least try and fake it!! _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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03-14-2009 04:18
I wonder if the auction page is going to be able to handle the volume of parcels on existing Mainland during the big migration. (And what will be the prices? There really can't be any minimum bid or I doubt any of it will sell.)
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Davina Glitter
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03-14-2009 04:31
When and where will I moved to? I want to move to the adult area please so I can ensure that my gallery content and discussions are not flagged as inappropriate.
Will the new land be randomly assigned? Do we get a choice? If I am at a shore line will I be moved to a land locked location? |
Toy LaFollette
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03-14-2009 04:50
honestly, dont people read these threads? Many if not all these questions were answered but people just keep repeating the same old mantra... Read all the Linden posts at least, make sure your concerns are already not answered. shesh
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Titania Bracken
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03-14-2009 04:52
I think after 53 pages its hard to read ALL the posts.
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Toy LaFollette
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03-14-2009 05:05
I think after 53 pages its hard to read ALL the posts. see, you didnt biother to read my whole post.... typical I said at least read the Linden posts _____________________
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-14-2009 05:09
see, you didnt biother to read my whole post.... typical I said at least read the Linden posts That's a great plan, why don't you collect them all together in one place so we can read them without spending an hour hunting them down. _____________________
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