Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Requiring age verification is near-certain death for adult clubs, Blondin. If you force these places to only allow age-verified people in, they're not going to have much choice.

The ODP still exists - though it is a shadow of what it used to be, since Google stopped using the data. And from my understanding, *that* decision was made at least in part due tot he chaos over what got listed where. So it's there, but now caters only to AOL search.

Btw, the OPD was founded by a Netscape employee and was initially "private". Then it became part of Netscape, and finally absorbed AOL when AOL bought out Netscape. The "adult segregation" started at about the time it went under Netscape's wing. Ie, when it suddenly needed a "corporate look".

I am not privy to how things are handled now. Adult websites are still "hidden". If you go to the main page - http://dmoz.org/ - you would have no clue that adult sites were listed at all. Yet for the years I was there, the squabbling was constant, from big issues to huge fights over individual sites. Given that the segregation is still in place, I think it is a safe bet that the fighting goes on.

-- Miro

Yeah...about that.
Could you just go into a little bit more detail with that? Does that mean actual resources with real value, like land and tier and advertising or just hand holding while explaining the how to buy new land and sell your old land?

Segregating PG and M areas would be far too easy...except that it was discussed a couple of years ago and deemed far too hard. So now we have THIS nonsense.

And it IS nonsense. The more I read, the more sure I become that this isn't about "making everyone's SL experience better". It's about LL making money by forcing us to buy land on another huge continent, while losing our shirts on our existing land. It's about looking good for the press. It's about trying to attract corporate customers.

I'm done posting in these threads, even if they drag on for the next six weeks. It's like a comment made to another of my threads, started only last week, which actually made some constructive suggestions...'pi**ing in the wind", he called it.

I'm off to sell my land and tier down and go back to Basic. Along about July or August, I'll either watch as SL closes its doors for good...or pick up some great land bargains.

I think that's been answered:

If my sim can be copied 'as is' and changed to a private island without an island purchase fee. I would absoloutly be interested in doing that, if it is or becomes an option.. just let me know who to talk to and how to get it started.

Before you do that, look up a few messages:

unfortunately, right now as things stand there are already disruptions.

Yes we know something is in the works, but we don't know how long we have, the details of what will happen or anything else that business people need to know to plan accordingly.

One of my alts makes BDSM stuff, it's a new store so I don't have the huge inventories and other headaches of established stores on that alt.

But now I have to decide if I wanna start a new product line in advance of these new rules or wait and get settled in a new mandatory space. I need to decide how much promoting of a new shop I wanna do now that in a few months time I'll have wasted all of that effort.

What about people who look to long term things? We need more answers now so that we can accordingly and start preparing our stock and our customers for this.

I'm sure I'm not the only content creator who is now trying to plan strategy to make this as painless as possible. But we can't even start preparing ourselves, or our customers until we know what we have to face in clear terms.

Are we gonna have to start banking every penny we earn to be price gouged on new land? Are some gonna be faced with doubling their tier for a time? These aren't 'plenty of time' items, given the current real world economy this could force business out if people don't have the knowledge of how this very important and costly land stuff is gonna come down.

EDIT: Thanks for starting to address some of the concerns of people who have mainland tier that will have to move. What about renters? Or people who have room left on their tier like me who want to acquire land on the adult sims for alts who currently rent for their stores? How do we get that land without being gouged? Where do we sign up early to try and get some land?

Jeska can you confirm your colleagues remarks from Wagner James Au's blog New World Notes. As many of of us know he was a Linden and seems to be given information first.

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2009/03/red-light-segregation.html



It seems to me that the timeline is in place for this move so can we have have some honesty from LL on these matters so that we can plan ahead. Maybe it would be even a good idea if all you Lindens could at least work from the same song sheet at least.

I know thats a tall order from LL nowadays but its still worth asking as i am sure that there are one or two Lindens that still care about the customers and customer service.

I vote for a ban on religion, pro-war statements, the confederate flag, women being assumed to be lesbians, furries, goreans, beastiality, pro-Bush supporters, noobs, she-males, bad rap songs, bling, full bright textures, animal cruelity, 4chaners, interactive diapers, kid AVs over 4 years old who have 'binkies', pregnant tummy talkers, prim babies, demons, Mary Sues, fanboys, out of proportion avatars and everything else that offends and bothers me because I'm a stupid twat who can't behave a in a grown up manner and avoid such things on my own. I need a company to protect me from other folks because I'm not capable of looking away or practicing tolerance.

Honestly, LL, are you stupid? Someone who lives in a PG sim but has a skybox 3000+ feet up for private time with their partner on a sex bed and believes sex should be private/not on the front lawn/not any where they can be walked in on doesn't want to move to the adult sex yiff violence ghetto and see everything that offends them right in the open or live next door to the Spooge Palace. Our group likes it's nice little PG home, lack of sex clubs and adult entertainment in our faces - are you seriously going to ask us to move because our skybox which is so far up that you need a flight booster to find it has a sex bed? A sex bed that I might add can only be used by group members and will kick anyone else off? If you're camming in on someone 3000+ feet up, you have issues.

You make us move to the ghetto, we'll move alright.. right out of SL.

Thanks for the replies, I'm sorry if I'm late with the thanks but I had to step away for a while.

So many wise comments have been made here already. But LL will never listen to any of us. But regardless I just want to let it be known, I own a private region so this won't end up effecting me to the point where I'll have to move. But regardless, it's a terrible thing for LL to do and really, I think it's morally worse than anything I've ever seen being done in my sex club (or even anyone else's for that matter).

How LL could of decided that it would be a good idea to do this is just beyond me. I can't for the life of me understand it.

Way to go LL, you once again have proven that you have absolutely NO IDEA what your doing! Please for all our sakes, try actually going out into SL and using your own damn virtual world! You'll quickly see what we're trying to tell you. The problems aren't in the sex. That's not even a problem, it's a feature! It's a good thing! It's one of the only things in SL that probably works!

What problems do we actually have?
- Avatars not rezzing
- Random loss of inventory
- Failed transactions
- Failed logins
- Failed teleports
- Poor building tools
- Poor group management tools
- Lack of features in LSL
~ No multidimensional arrays
~ No custom data structures
~ No pointers or variable variables (or any means of addressing variables other than directly)
~ No way of including functions from other scripts for easy code reusability
~ No client side scripting options!
~ Memory limits
~ Lack of functions that are seriously needed
~ (Hundreds more things really, the whole idea of LSL is a joke, how anyone makes decent software with it is amazing really.)
- Buggy alpha texture rendering in client software
- Parcel borders only go up a very limited distance, making it hard to secure a location
- Attachment limits, only 1 object per attachment point and only a small number of attachment points
- Clothes and skin rendering bugs, stopping people from changing clothes even sometimes or rendering as solid black to everyone.
- Bad LOD control, making attachments on avatars disappear at certain angles
- Client software crashes when too many avatar profile windows are opened, and then one of them is closed
- Avatar mesh deforms terribly on some poses due to poor quality mesh and vertex weighting
- Far too limited clothing system, that doesn't allow unlimited layers of clothes
- Errors in displaying peoples online status (many times lately I've IMed someone which appeared online only to be actually offline)
- All this and more, much much more. This is just what I can think of off the top of my head!

LL, there is hundreds, if not thousands of more important issues you could be dealing with that this 'problem'.



But it's not choice, your telling people what to do, and where they can go to do it. If you want to provide choice, try doing it by not kicking people out of their land and instead giving a new place that people can willingly go to.

No



I don't know if that is possible but we want to make the moving process as painless as possible.



The idea is to make it be as fair as possible.



Those that are forced to move won't be expected to pay for it.

I haven't read all the previous 680 messages, but wouldn't it be easier to simply bring up a warning on screen if someone enters a Mature or Adult area? That way no one would be inconvenienced and it would be up to them if they decided to go there.

*hugs* :3

Cool, flop out a "rape me" pose ball and get free new land.

Seriously, if you make it to attractive to move people will hardcore their land to benefit. If you make not attractive enough. Well... obviously you piss off your customers.

Im just going off this

"-- What about adult activity in private on the mainland? e.g. Is Linden Lab making rules about what I can do in my own house on the Mainland?
Nope. We are talking about public behavior and events, businesses and listings that are meant to drive explicit sexual and violent activity."

This is what THEY say not me, i just quoted it from the main page.

Im not saying im happy about it, far from it, but they way I read it, and my apologies if I'm thick, is they were talking about public as in places/shops/clubs etc BUILT for the purpose of anyone can come in without an invite and have sex with someone else, like sex club, rather than a private home. I have a sex club, and a private home on a different sim, but my sex club is next to a fun fair (PG) which is next to shops which is a mixture of PG and ADULT content, on the other side of the sex club is the dance club, in the middle of it all is a lake where we hold 7Seas fishing contests (PG), and the sim next door we have a wedding mall (PG content), so where do I stand lol. Move the BITS that are ADULT to the "ghetto" and leave the rest behind? move everything to this so called adult area and lose the and we bought and built up over the last 2 years?

Don't get me wrong,im not happy about any of it, but the way I read it meant homes are safe, if someone cams in then they are LOOKING for it, rather than someone who doesnt want to see it which is one point the Lindens are on about, then its their fault if they see someone having sex, it was private. If you have a building created for public sex,sod us, you have to lose all the hard work you did, sod the fact you've been paying every month too for the priviledge, sod the time you put in building it all and advertising it and lining the LL pockets, and you abide by MORE LL rules.

As someone posted earlier - when gambling was banned, we all joked about sex being next, and here we are. Whats next?

Never mind moving us, let us keep what we built up, and change the map details, search details if they are that worried. They can have yellow areas for land for sale on the map, do blue with any parcels containing adult content. landmarks, maybe have an XXX before it so you know Just ideas, anything to save all this hassle.]

In fact I dunno why I'm carrying on cos it wont matter what we say, its going to fall on deaf ears cos they already made the decision, just giving us some warning of the mess due to come. Just like VAT, gambling etc. Ho hum, ill go pack my bags and wait

Gee what can I say that has not already been said except that we own one very small store on the mainland 1500M with our main facility on an island because of the inability to access estate tools on the ML. Plus it gives us more freedom in the estate.

Seems like we will just move everything to the Islands and leave the mainland for the children. Oh wait, This is an adult game there are not supposed to be children here, well not as age defined anyway )).

As an adult I tend to create my own opinions on what I like and dislike but now it seems that big brother will assist me in my decisions.

Personally I just ban people who complain about the content of our retail locations keeps them from making the same mistake twice, which many seem to enjoy.

I think it's both. They're jerking us around because they are incompetent. I certainly don't see them winning any awards for best customer service anytime too soon. ;3

It will be really difficult to know a priori whether to declare oneself Adult Content or not. My gut feel is that eventually almost the entire Mainland will drain into the Adult area, just to avoid any question of being free to do whatever we want. But it's all entangled with how onerous the age verification process actually turns out to be. If it's bad enough, then no business will be able to survive there, and many casual guests of landowners there won't be able to visit.

probably content creation.. plus an announcement something like this

In order to properly monitor offensive content, user creation will no longer be allowed on mainland.
Please visit one of the many 3rd party stores to aquire content.

All user created content will be limited to blah blah fishpaste.

It is so sad to read that LL is going to bow to those who always seem to complain as soon they see an avatar dressed a little sexy.
Isn't it a fact that 90% of the residents are in SL because here we can dress up the way we like and live our fantasy of being pretty?
If we have to move because of a minority of people complaining about that, then yes indeed we move, but that is out of SL. I am not paying my tiers for not having a right of saying. We mature SIM holders are the majority, and we gladly abide by rules, but being told to move isn't right at all.
I really really hope LL is going to look at this problem more closely.
I do agree with the fact that people who do not want to encounter adult content should be faced with that. But surely there are better ways to handle this problem than chasing us out.

People don't spend money to make expensive system changes or risk making huge segments of their customer base angry/leave unless they are having their hand forced by some authority. I'm willing to bet the age players and pedo's have garnered enough FBI interest to threaten a shut down of LL altogether if they don't play ball with authorities and A. age verify like other adult paid services on the net, and B. corale the worst of the worst into a manageable environment that can be adequately filtered and monitored for the sake of plausible deniability. People don't change things that work that make them money unless they have their arm twisted quite painfully.

Funny thing it’s like I am paying to be treated like Teen, first gambling, then banking, and now Adult Content. Oh what am I paying for? The heck if I know. Look you have a Teen Grid that can become a family grid, why should I have suffer because some kids want to come in this game or Adults don't care for certain Adult things. Wonder how many teens are paying for Sims or large parcels? Oh and the burden of proving one is 18 or older should be placed on Linden Lab, I did not come to this game to have LL be my parents, I am sure I am older than most them. You have a grid send the family oriented folks there. Stop treating adults like children

I tend to think myself something like this would work better. But who am I. just another person waisting my keyboard for nothing basically. how many times have people complained about things being done and you get the old "thanks for the feedback" but in all actuality that means "we already know what we're gonna do regardless of what you think or care". My opinion ofcourse