Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Or at the very least share some of that "careful reasearch" with the people it will effect?

As more and more information comes to light, and Lindens actually start answering very selectively, I want to ask:

* Can any resident landholder, PG or Mature *opt in* to being moved to an Adult space?

I have a PG parcel on mainland.
* Can I elect to have it reclassed from PG to Adult and moved as part of this restructuring?

If "YES", put me down to move, please.

I would rather get this over and done with sooner rather than later since the timeline and such has now been exposed.

I have a 512 parcel, its flat at ground level, no landmarks or Picks to update, and I will be happy to pack and move my own things, to ensure the Three Lindens Movers & Co doesn't break my tablelamp. Please, just let me know which new parcel I can move to and when I need to be moved by.

True enough, however, our specific problem is that over time we have invested in several Mainland regions in a cluster, some of which are Mature, others PG. Fundamentally we provide an entertainment environment where both civilian and combat vehicles & aviation gear can be bought and used.

Friendly combat is one thing, explicit violence is something completely different, but as a business entity we cannot live with the uncertainty as to when perceived standards may change, yet again

What business can? Even the business that Linden Lab are chasing at the expense of their customers who have helped build their world will shy away from a company who announce policy changes at the drop of a hat.

Been asking for two days now. Even said "please" a number of times.

If they had done any real research, we'd know by now.

Search isn't going to keep people from being able to see the Adult X-rated playground in the sim next door to a home in a PG rated sim. The land in SL should have been zoned into rated continents years ago, how would RL work if anyone could build a Brothel, Skatepark or Chemical factory next to your home in suburbia?

I've read alot on this subject and I've written this thing 5 times already each one more furious than the other but it comes to this.

Linden Lab, You built a world. We became citizens of it. But we did not elect you Lords & Masters. You have created a unique place on the digital frontier, its time for you to acknowledge that we, the vox populi are not your slaves. We are residents, citizens, we are human beings and we will no longer be dictated to simply because you hold the keys. You hold the keys to services we the people pay for. As such, shoudl you wish us to continue paying, we DEMAND equal representation in decisions that affect the very social contract of OUR world which we all have had a hand in creating.

To the Residents of Second Life, You're time is now! Rise up and challenge the status quo! Now is the time to make your voices heard, now is the time to send a clear message to Linden lab that we WILL NOT be dictated to! That we DEMAND equal representation and rights. I call on all residents to organize for a protest to which the Linden Labs will be powerless to control. I offer the idea that this Sunday March 15th, we all, together, opt-out of Second Life until Monday morning. Let March 15th be the day we show Linden that without us, all they have are BILLS and then Sunday, March 15th, I assure you, will never be forgot

~L

SL isn't RL.

In RL, I can't live in a mall, nor in a skylair thousands of meters in the air.

As for keeping people from being able to see Mature (as it is defined now) content in the sim next door to a PG sim, that's already in the rules, and has been enforced.

Some time ago, just out of curiosity I Googled "Linden" and made this discovery; http://lindenlab.com/about/tao

Quote:

The Tao of Linden : Vision and Mission

It's our mission to connect us all to an online world that advances the human condition. Or in other words, we are working to create an online world having the exceptional property that it advances the capabilities of the many people that use it, and by doing so affects and transforms them in a positive way. Read "The Mission of Linden Lab" blog post for more info.

: Unquote

Please do affect and transform us in a positive way also on this day..!

Just to let you know (Since you have a small post count, and am unsure you know), you can enclose text in a quotebox using the BBCode commands, which are enclosed in brackets []

Opening is QUOTE and ending is /QUOTE .

Also, to add an attribution for who said it, just extend the opening function to QUOTE=Namegoeshere

No change to the closing call.

And what will that accomplish?You won't be costing their bottom line a thing, they get their payments in monthly and tearly increments. All you will hurt is fellow resident businesses who you would otherwise be patronizing that day. Don't log in for a week, or a month, don't pay tier or renew membership fees. Then you can start waving your manifesto.

I'm a business owner and my suggestion was that of least impact to businesses run in SL while simultaneously sending a clear message to Linden Labs that we, the citizens, were in agreement and could do something in an organized fashion. I believe this could bring them to the table on consultation without adverse effects to business owners. And if it came to needing to opt out longer, then so be it if we all agreed. but we have to be organized and we have to send a message, so yes, raise the manifesto, I'm certainly the hell open to suggestions, Linden on the other hand is much more comfy dictating.

So, you can choose between the options I presented, the ones they presented, or come up with something of your own to help Linden recognize that we are a populace, not just bits to be passed around as they see fit.

~L

Brenda is unfortunately right, all Linden Lab recognise is cold hard cash and they believe the cold hard cash is going to come from corps and education, they ignore the issue that in times of global financial crisis corps and education are going to curtail their spending, I know we are where I work in an educational institution.

This is an ill conceived idea with no backing from the core userbase. LL should take note, but I doubt they will and that speaks volumes for their agenda.

Thank you Keira;

You are absolutely right, I didn't have a clue. Today is the first time ever to enter this forum. I did try to thank you directly, but something in my personal settings/profile wouldn't allow it, and I am too upset to start reading tutorials. So to all the rest out there, please forgive this Off Topic message.

Thank you lindens, you have once again screwed over the majority of SL users. I don't see why the "adult" content should be forced to move from their existing parcels into a new R-rated grid all becauce you want to make the main grid more accessable to a bunch of kids and prudes!!! i agree with the majority of the posts ive read, if you want to keep the vast number of users you have, then create a "G-Rated" Grid and move all teen and unverified age users into that one insted of going ahead with this stupid idea you have... i can garentee that if you go ahead with your plan you will lose a vast number of residents with in the 1st month.
And I personaly will be joining them. i came to second life because it was advatised as ADULT FREINDLY and to be honest all the lindens have done in the last year is screw us over on this part.

I am thinking about opening a school or a university or an Ashram, to teach nerds and corporates something about anima and human biology and about the fact, that they are not brought by the stork. I have a feeling, that they could need a knowledge-update about their physical/anatomical/emotional specifications. The main goal of the lessons should be, to assure them, that seen from behind, we're all looking the same and seen from frontal view, we're all fitting together. As soon this secret of life will be opened to them, they will see things much more relaxed than now.

Additional to that, it could be a good idea for LL, to rezz 2 big panels on each orientation-landing-zone on wich the main surface differences between an undressed and fully equiped female - and a fully equiped male-avatar is demonstrative and functional explained.

It is all a question of training. As soon they're well trained, they won't be shocked if a naked or creative dressed avatar is crossing the horizon, while they're looking out of the window of their classroom- or biz-building while boring school - or meeting-hours.

I am sure that some friendly old rabbits of all genders, wich are - maybe - 2 years or longer in game, are willing and ambitioned to help them over the first barrier as good as they can.

This should be a capable solution to let roll things as smooth as they did the past few years, without a need to change anything in "ratings", because we're not born to be "rated" in pieces along our short and unique life. The characters of the human alphabet are made for communication and not for "rating". Same is true for body-language, even for pixelized and painted bodies, properly formatted as 3-dimensional cartoons or comics.

Sidenote: additional it can be necessary to give them the information, that there will be no risk to get pregnant or to catch a sexualy transmissible disease by watching or being cartoons.

It is somewhat ironic, the idea that corporate advertisers don't want to be associated in a fake world with cartoon sex, when they inhabit a real world where real sex is even more prevalent, and they use it to great effect themselves in their advertising.

TRUE!

I havnt read all 44 pages of replies but want to say my peace on this very contreversial decision.

When an account is made for the main grid at the moment you have to verify being 18+, so a form of protection is given that any underage child entering the main grid has lied to an agreement and thus LL isprotected.

With a merge of teen grid and the main grid, unless you age verify or verify with payment details no other agreement is signed to age.

Adults will be able to enter mature and adult sims. Children will only be able to enter PG sims. Sounds good in practice. EXCEPT whats to stop Mr Pervert taking a child to a empty PG sim, rezzing a sex bed and doing whatever? We already know that LL cannot police every sim. Whats to stop a adult giving a mature or adult item to a child? Are LL going to check EVERY adult/mature item as being no trans? What about someone making one for a child?

You thought things got bad a couple of years ago when the german paper reported seeing an adult AV having virtual sex with a child AV. How is it going to be when an adult is spotted having virtual sex with an actual child in SL?

LL cannot be so stupid as to think all children are not going to experiment when the possibility arrises. That all children are going to play by the rules laid down for them. By allowing teens into the main grid you are opening yourself to the risk of huge negative press when, I say when and not if, things like Ive said happen. Not to mention possible lawsuits of not being able to protect EVERY child every second that they are online.

So, what could be LL's solution to avoid this kind of negativity? Remove all mature and Adult content from all SL. Then that would be the death of SL.

Freedom of creativity, expression and liberty isn't just about what you do, i'ts also about what you can do. Whether you explore the full range of your freedom is immaterial. The choice to be able to is what matters.

sex s not the reason real world companies leave second life. THEY DONT PLAY SL. i understand the lab's moves now. in tuff economic times they want to squeeze as much monies as possible out ofthe grid
. tardy educators look at the grid and see sex and complain. rl businesses fail in their half baked noob driven schemes (I have worked with rl porn companies and their adivisors. they all seem to think i lost them 50,000usd. heheheh that same sum). it is likely thatsome of them asked for better controls. they were stymied by the fishing expeditions for rl age info on their own as it was against the tos. so im not so against it anymore. what i oppose is the mealy mouth pr campaign. give it to us straight. when it seems like one is being lied to one 's hackles are raised.


adult content is being shunted tothe side so wecan mnake money off of universitoes and companies who dont want to bismirchtheir "images" and drive away business so we can make more money.

I don't know. Maybe you should rez something outrageously perverse, just to make sure you don't get missed out.

i for one am gonna continue to stunt my a$$ off! everybody knows ihate pg ballroom dancer types! if they move me to the ghetto im gonna keep it HOOD! mo ghetto than section 8! plenty cars money wads ghetto star hood broads felony charge. liquor drankin! fit the crime! pimpin i did all the time! im still gonna shine!

I agree, Hypatia. And pulling all the PG sims together, each as a complete sim, to a new clean PG continent would be way less "painful" than moving piecemeal all the little partial-sim adult installations...

Would you please stop lumping furries (and child avatars??!) in together with sexual lifestyles? It is a choice of looks, nothing more. If an avarar chooses to engage in sexual behavior at a given time has nothing to do with their looks. The largest furry community in SL is PG.

alright, i have a few ideas!

1: every person forced to move to ursula, or whatever it will be named is given the option to change their last name to "of ursula" that way we can go to our fellow tribesmen/women and go "I am Fudgey of ursula, clan of the seamen sea!"

2: the areas should have proper names as well, such as Pornark, Jizzgar.. infact, the "of" name should be fitting to where their land is "I am Igvar! of pornark!.. i cum on my LONG boat bearing pot and beer, and porn on CUBES!"

3: we get free loincloths and viking helmets... maybe an axe of some sort

4: to protect our shoreline from noobs and haters of our new sextropolis, we are given I.C.B.D.S.Ms inter continental balistic dommonent sex missle.. which expload offencive porn everywhere

5: we elect a king or queen that can be dethroned with VIOLENCE!

6: the king or queen.. or king and queen would be in a palace high atop the dark tower known as yay'gor in the capital city of pornark

7: our curentcy would be called Pops, not linden

8: the new welcome area would be raidable daily, and give us some form of sexpereince, or bigger weapons to show off to our ursulin brethren/sisteren thus to inlarge our epeen

and that's my idea! =P