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Lindal Kidd
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05-19-2009 09:45
From: DanielRavenNest Noe I went through the list of filtered words again, since release notes for 1.26.4 says they changed the list. The following changes are noted:
Added:
Strap-on X-rated The hilarity continues. My Atlas IV scale model with four strap-on auxiliary solid rocket motors is Adult now, right along with our feathered friends the tits.
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Innula Zenovka
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05-19-2009 09:45
From: Alexander Harbrough Except for the fact that there is already a separate distinction between mature and adult by way of existing ratings boards. If you are going to ignore definitions which may apply better, you need to be able to defend your choices. A bit of a red herring, to my mind. When I bought my sims it was on the basis that my content and the activities available to visitors fell comfortably within the then definition of "mature" content and, as such, could be advertised pretty much as I thought appropriate, could be found in search by anyone who'd chosen to turn on "mature" in their search preferences and was accessible to anyone who chose to visit. Because of these changes, however, that has ceased to be the case. My content hasn't changed but I now discover some of it has to be flagged as adult and some of the rest of it is pretty much impossible properly to advertise without using terms that have suddenly been defined as "adult". This means that the terms on which I bought it no longer apply. People can no longer visit, or even see my adverts, without undergoing a system of prior qualification. The terms on which LL do business with me have changed, with no proper explanation (and certainly no offer of compensation) and not in my favour.
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Thorn Witrial
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05-19-2009 09:47
The JIRA is at 3908.
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Thorn Witrial
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05-19-2009 09:55
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Viktoria Dovgal
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05-19-2009 10:11
From: Thorn Witrial Linden Labs has just bought server space at Terremark. I wonder what this portends. In general, they're moving hardware east. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/05/01/updates-from-the-gridThe new colo space will also be getting a new server class. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/05/14/the-greening-of-second-life
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-19-2009 10:26
What got my attention from the greening post was this: "These servers will also support our green strategy, as we expect to see a dramatic increase in core processing power, allowing us to host a greater number of regions on a single server." Server purchase cost and peak power consumption tends to be about the same over time. Therefore the *cost* to Linden Labs should be less per region for these new servers. At the same time they had planned to increase the *price* on homestead regions. What we should see is prices going down, rather than up. (If someone can verify the price and power specs for a dual core/dual processor Opteron server, which was the old server, vs a new Nehalem that would be cool)
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Dogboat Taurog
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05-19-2009 10:29
From: Innula Zenovka A bit of a red herring, to my mind. When I bought my sims it was on the basis that my content and the activities available to visitors fell comfortably within the then definition of "mature" content and, as such, could be advertised pretty much as I thought appropriate, could be found in search by anyone who'd chosen to turn on "mature" in their search preferences and was accessible to anyone who chose to visit. Because of these changes, however, that has ceased to be the case. My content hasn't changed but I now discover some of it has to be flagged as adult and some of the rest of it is pretty much impossible properly to advertise without using terms that have suddenly been defined as "adult". This means that the terms on which I bought it no longer apply. People can no longer visit, or even see my adverts, without undergoing a system of prior qualification. The terms on which LL do business with me have changed, with no proper explanation (and certainly no offer of compensation) and not in my favour. We bought our sims 2 years ago apart from the open spacesims which we swapped or abandoned (ty for that LL) our sims have always been mature and probably like you we expected the whole of sl to be able to visit us. That situation has gone now unless we go PG and that means we cant sell adult stuff or have adult clubs anymore, the MATURE rating is now pointless in my estimation, the worst thing is that people are still buying land from these shysters thinking they have a user base of the daily online numbers.
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Viktoria Dovgal
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05-19-2009 10:40
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Server purchase cost and peak power consumption tends to be about the same over time. Therefore the *cost* to Linden Labs should be less per region for these new servers. At the same time they had planned to increase the *price* on homestead regions. What we should see is prices going down, rather than up. Hopefully at the end of the year of next year when the new stuff is up and running, they will revisit those prices. This year we are still on the old more expensive stuff, and their wetware costs aren't going down. :/
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Thorn Witrial
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05-19-2009 10:43
Charon Nexen has something interesting to say over at xstreet at this thread: https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=108409&start=45From: someone I think this is a beginning to a lot of changes to building in sl and a host of other issues here.We al know that is already a strain on the asset severs as well as on the processing power of the lindens severs (class 6 servers are on the way) i found this comment from Mark Linden facinating: From: someone
The Second Life 2.0 overhaul is well-underway. You’ll see the first major elements towards the end of the year and early next year. The work—as you can imagine—is very complex because any experience change touches the web, the viewer, the simulators, the databases and our infrastructure. When will it be complete? Well, sometime before my hair goes completely gray. Joking aside, its an 18 month process for the major elements.
Also we know that there are gonna be changes like inventory limits and building limits to free accounts soon as well Insky is right though , but also there is gonna be open accessiibility from other grids as well (osgrid sims will eventually work ) But the lindens want to control the market functions of the grid, dont expect them to open up their business that far.Think of the them like the mafia with their fingers in every transaction that transpires As for servers , i can see the lindens moving away from hosting huge amounts of land on their servers The thing is this .... adapt and change seems to be the mantra for the time being. Either you do or fall by the wayside unfortunatly As for thorn and his fight against the adult changes, a good effort , but bound to fail unfortunatly they know what they want to do( regardless of what we think) and know that even of 10 percent of the businesses closed due to the changes , there is always new people coming that will start businesses again, drawn by the thought of sl riches
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Lasher Oh
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05-19-2009 11:04
Looks like we are getting the silent treatment (old unimaginative corporate alienating tactic) - wasn't there meant to be a blog posting towards the end of last week? I could have sworn I saw a comment from Blondin stating there would be.
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Kara Spengler
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05-19-2009 11:59
Well, this came out Friday:  The first two paragraphs are pricess: From: someone In Second Life, land is what gives your content presence, boundaries, and a sense of permanence. It creates both a shared space for exploration and a place to call home. And in the last six years, Second Life's land mass has grown from 11 regions up to a total of 27,483 regions (at last count)!
Land in Second Life is often reminiscent of the untamed Wild West, and in true frontier style many land owners have found great opportunity settling in Second Life. They’ve discovered that land enhances their business, community, and friendships, and creates a space for collaboration in creative and innovative ways.
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Couldbe Yue
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pony play escaped the list huh?
05-19-2009 12:19
From: someone Pony play
Human pony play, also called ponygirl or ponyboy play depending on the sex of the participants, is a form of roleplay where one person acts like a pony or horse, while their partner takes on the role of rider, trainer or caretaker. The partner is likely to be a sexual partner but might not be. The pony is often two-legged: the emphasis is on the treatment of the pony, what the pony does and the mind space it is in, rather than making the person physically look like equine.
The classification of equine, which is arbitrary anyway, is rarely a distinction and 'pony' seems to be what most women think of in their fantasies. Sometimes the breed of the pony is important to the participants, especially those interested in closely mimicking behaviour. The pony is usually a woman, with a male or female partner depending on sexual orientation. Where the equine is ridden, it is more likely to be male and talked of as being a horse.
The pony may be trained to trot and walk well (i.e. in a way redolent of a true equine), and even brought to canter or gallop. They may be lunged, jumped or made to pull a cart, in which the trainer will sit, and to obey signals transmitted by the reins. The pony might have a signal of some kind to act as a safeword but would not normally speak, being limited to whinnying: this doesn't make them defenceless, however, as ponies have a natural tendency to lash out and kick when annoyed or frightened!
In a less common variant of pony play, the partner will act like a stallion. This variant may be considered an animal transformation fantasy. In this variant, the pony is often four-legged and there is a greater overall emphasis on appearance, as with dog play.
The limited evidence that is available suggests that the fantasy and practice may be somewhat more prevalent in the U.K. than the U.S.A., which may be a reflection of the number of people familiar and used to ponies and horses.
An endless array of bit gags, bridles, saddles, tack (harnesses), whips, butt plugs with tails, "hooves" that are worn like boots (sometimes also as gloves), and related items are produced and sold commercially to those who wish to act out such fantasies.
Pony play is sometimes deliberately combined or formed as part of a bondage or SM scene. This is an easy step to make since the bit acts as a gag (and may even be one) and a harness is often on the pony, restricting or controlling movement.
Ponygirls are not restricted to BDSM and photos of them occasionally appear in sexual literature marketed to men.
well, if pony play escapes the list then we're all pretty safe I would think 
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Couldbe Yue
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Adult Babies/Diaper Play
05-19-2009 12:24
since I was cruising IC for the pony girl stuff I thought I might just add this for those of you who wondered about sweetcheek's question yesterday.. From: someone Infantilism
Infantilism (paraphilic) is a certain psychological condition experienced by those whose level of physical maturity has clearly progressed beyond the life-stage of infancy. The defining aspect of this condition is the derivation of a profound sense of well-being or of a certain type of great pleasure that becomes associated with various infantile objects and/ or infantile roleplaying .
Infantilists usually combine the submission of the baby role with the fetishes of diapers, though not all infantilists actually practice coprophilia or watersports. Some, known as diaper lovers (or DLs) enjoy wearing diapers without taking the role of an infant. Those who prefer to role play as infants are often referred to as adult babies (or ABs). Some forms of infantilism are purely regressive, without any sexual contact, however most forms include some aspect of sexuality. Where dominance and submission are involved, the top or dominant plays the role of a parent, nursemaid, or babysitter.
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Hanspeter Gelles
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t*t
05-19-2009 12:45
From: Lindal Kidd The hilarity continues. My Atlas IV scale model with four strap-on auxiliary solid rocket motors is Adult now, right along with our feathered friends the tits. I know it would be childish but maybe tit should be spelled tit when it refers to a bird and t*t when it refers to a (nudge nudge) adult activity. That would be the ultimate way for LL to tell us it want to treat us all like children. Hans
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Lord Sullivan
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05-19-2009 13:56
From: Viktoria Dovgal Hopefully at the end of the year of next year when the new stuff is up and running, they will revisit those prices. This year we are still on the old more expensive stuff, and their wetware costs aren't going down. :/ I doubt LL will lower prices, more likely rub their hands with glee, holding the thought that they can soon get more sims per server, which equals more money for them 
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Lord Sullivan
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05-19-2009 13:57
From: Lasher Oh Looks like we are getting the silent treatment (old unimaginative corporate alienating tactic) - wasn't there meant to be a blog posting towards the end of last week? I could have sworn I saw a comment from Blondin stating there would be.
^L^ I think he said Friday, just not which Friday 
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Couldbe Yue
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05-19-2009 15:20
nope, it was supposed to be the 15th. although in that week between his office hours it went from being the full release of the kb etc to just a blog post and of course now the date has been missed there's just silence. Never mind, tomorrow is another day.. 
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Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 16:16
From: Lasher Oh Looks like we are getting the silent treatment (old unimaginative corporate alienating tactic) - wasn't there meant to be a blog posting towards the end of last week? I could have sworn I saw a comment from Blondin stating there would be.
^L^ To be fair to Blondin, this has happened with Jack's promised postings too, they have a laid back culture at Linden Lab, time is not of the essence, you need to adjust your watch to Linden time and then you won't be disappointed.
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Morrigan Rothmanay
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Curious..
05-19-2009 16:19
I saw a notice from a group today advising that they had to remove some of their adult content already. Has the lockdown begun? It would have been nice to be given a notecard or something indicating that we need to do to start to prepare if our parcel/sim is going to not qualify for what we currently have on it. I still have as of yet to be given any clear rules in game as to what will allow my pub to stay where it is and/or what I need to be rid of.
Blondin can you advise as to when information will be made available in game on any of this...as of yet I've heard or seen nothing, and as I'm sure you are aware once registered a lot of people never look at the SL site again except to post events or check their transaction history. At least thats been my experince. Please advise
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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05-19-2009 17:24
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Actually, that is not correct. The adult content checkbox will be shown in most of the search tabs, although greyed out until you get the right things done. The fact that there is such a choice shown, should be enough of a clue that it is available someplace in SL.
The real issue is whether the client will explain clearly how to upgrade your account, or leave it to murky Knowledge Base and community standards pages that newbies won't know how to find. I think that point that thorn was trying to make was that fresh residents won't know that at one time SL was an organic, mature place where people could decide for *themselves* whether or not to participate in adult activities, rather than being forced either towards them or away from them by LL and the *wants* of other residents. ^V^
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-19-2009 17:26
From: Ciaran Laval To be fair to Blondin, this has happened with Jack's promised postings too, they have a laid back culture at Linden Lab, time is not of the essence, you need to adjust your watch to Linden time and then you won't be disappointed. This is somehow true. They are relaxed. But I know them also very disciplined, professional and in time in taking our time, money and since new our freedom. There is then ever nothing to see about a laid back culture... If we would start being laid back... - we would see consequences on speed kicking us out of biz and game.
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Valerius Constantine
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05-19-2009 17:29
From: DanielRavenNest Noe What Prospero Linden has said is that if it drives the sim to be locked too long, their grid monitoring may decide it has stopped working, and reboots it. Locking is to keep other changes from interfering with a take or rez in progress. How long it takes depends on the kinds of objects, grid load, and sim load, so it is not just a simple number of prims issue, and the 1000 prim limit is intended to be conservative for any likely situation.
I guess they feel that preventing inventory loss and corruption is more important than making life difficult for builders.
I wonder though about attaching high prim clothes. It is not uncommon to see avatars carrying 1000 prims of jewelry and other clothing bits, so if you detach or attach all at once, would that hit the new limit? In some cases, it no doubt would. And frankly, it could also bite you in the shorts if you get your stuff *returned* to you all at once from a complex build. It will also make cleaning up your *own* build a lot slower- How many times have we all said "screw this" when something just wasn't working out the way we wanted it to? No more returning all of your own stuff to quickly clear the slate. ^V^
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
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05-19-2009 17:52
From: Alexander Harbrough Except for the fact that there is already a separate distinction between mature and adult by way of existing ratings boards. If you are going to ignore definitions which may apply better, you need to be able to defend your choices. 1. All such definitions, and the restrictions that they represent only apply to people *under* the age of 18 (in the US). 2. All people who have accounts on SL have *avowed* that they are over the age of 18. 3. Such avowal (in various forms) is all that is required for *any* form of "adult content" accessible by internet connection (or even telephone) that is not in and of itself *illegal*, at least as far as California law (the only law that matters in this case) is concerned. 4 Ergo, the difference between "mature" and "adult" in this context in non-existent, except for the purposes of splitting hairs and bending logic to suit one's prejudices. This is *not* a necessary move by LL. It is *not* to protect children, nor is it somehow "only right" to do this. It is neither moral nor "good" to be intolerant of *someone else's* lawful and harmless activities. This is primarily an attempt by LL to *shut up a segment of their user-base* and get them to stop squawking about the titties next door.(sorry, I meant "t*tties"  ) It is *secondarily* an attempt by LL to insulate themselves from any complaints from RL authorities, and also an attempt to show their lamentably poorly chosen target market how "businesslike" and suitable for corporate use they are. If you don't like it, then don't do it, but leave everyone else the hell alone unless they are breaking the rules. *Changing* the rules specifically for the purposes of *causing* an individual or group to break them is not something that you would tolerate if it were done to you- Why do you tolerate it happening to others? Is whatever LL does just dandy as long as it ruin's someone *else's* good time and business? Just asking out of curiosity. ^V^
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Valerius Constantine
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05-19-2009 17:58
From: Viktoria Dovgal Hopefully at the end of the year of next year when the new stuff is up and running, they will revisit those prices. This year we are still on the old more expensive stuff, and their wetware costs aren't going down. :/ Oh my. Sorry, I just snorted blood again  ^V^
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Valerius Constantine
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05-19-2009 18:08
From: Ciaran Laval To be fair to Blondin, this has happened with Jack's promised postings too, they have a laid back culture at Linden Lab, time is not of the essence, you need to adjust your watch to Linden time and then you won't be disappointed. "laid back"? "pedaling back" is more like it!  I wouldn't want to have to come to us with LL's decision on definitions if I'd been telling everyone what Blondin has been telling them either.  ^V^
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