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Lasher Oh
Smelling the coffee
Join date: 3 Apr 2007
Posts: 140
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05-18-2009 17:32
Earlier today I had a short conversation about adult content changes with the owner of one prominent adult establishment specializing in escort services.
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"I am aware of the adult content changes, I have already made sure my staff is aware that they must get verified to continue working here also, Yeah, I have been aware of the changes for months now. I am not that worried about it
If anything it will kill off some of my competitors...
because I'm not going anywhere, and I will change my sim to adult, because we are clearly adult."
So there's one answer as to why some of the bigger players are staying out of the fray.
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Ciaran Laval
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05-18-2009 17:35
From: Lasher Oh Earlier today I had a short conversation about adult content changes with the owner of one prominent adult establishment specializing in escort services.
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"I am aware of the adult content changes, I have already made sure my staff is aware that they must get verified to continue working here also, Yeah, I have been aware of the changes for months now. I am not that worried about it
If anything it will kill off some of my competitors... Well he's right but its not his competitors being killed off he needs to worry about, it's his customers.
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Vivienne Schell
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Join date: 14 Feb 2007
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05-18-2009 17:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
"Oh, Alexander again"
Btw., what´s his point?
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Thorn Witrial
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Join date: 28 Jun 2008
Posts: 237
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05-18-2009 17:40
From: Ciaran Laval Well he's right but its not his competitors being killed off he needs to worry about, it's his customers. See that's the thing. People are being incredibly short sighted and deeply unempathetic about this whole process. I just got raked over the coals again on Xstreet for posting on this issue - i'm whining, i'm beating a dead horse, get over it, there's more to life than SL, no one cares, etc etc. I even got hate mail. Childish hate mail, but there you are.
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Innula Zenovka
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05-18-2009 18:33
From: Tyr Sartre Ok I have another question now, this is more for private estates.....(Well, partially) If you have say 50 estates all linked side by side, won't all have to be made either Adult or PG? If not, then whats to keep PG people from camming across and running into the same problem we have with mature next to pg now? Will people have to break up their land masses and move them all over just to avoid "Accidental contact"? Apparently not, at least according to Blondin; take a look at /352/11/314444/278.html#post2410572
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BabyAlice Tulip
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Join date: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 19
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05-18-2009 18:34
i have asked alot in the past and never got a anser about my sim. if u dont know can u alest reply you dont know???
Pamperland! is a adult baby and diaper lover sim. we have rules like no child avis "1.6m minum hieght", no weopons, no violence including vampire hunting. we have a free amusment park, beach and lake area, a dance area, playground, mall ect... the mall has some bondge sstuff by vendors but no wepons or violence stuff.
all i reely want to know if we have to upgrade our sim to adult or can we stay on mature. been trying to get info on the phone and fourms but have yet to get a awnser.
Thanks in Advance.
BabyAlice Tulip
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Innula Zenovka
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05-18-2009 18:43
From: Alexander Harbrough Presenting your drivers licence normally does not inform of any points on the licence, just that the licence itself is valid (although even then it could theoretically be a forgery). News to me ...things may well be different in Canada but here in the UK (which is what Lord Sullivan and I were talking about) endorsements are certainly shown on your licence http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/EndorsementsAndDisqualifications/DG_4022550. I think this must be true of the whole of the EU, though I am open to correction on this point.
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Couldbe Yue
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Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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05-18-2009 18:47
From: BabyAlice Tulip i have asked alot in the past and never got a anser about my sim. if u dont know can u alest reply you dont know???
Pamperland! is a adult baby and diaper lover sim. we have rules like no child avis "1.6m minum hieght", no weopons, no violence including vampire hunting. we have a free amusment park, beach and lake area, a dance area, playground, mall ect... the mall has some bondge sstuff by vendors but no wepons or violence stuff.
all i reely want to know if we have to upgrade our sim to adult or can we stay on mature. been trying to get info on the phone and fourms but have yet to get a awnser.
Thanks in Advance.
BabyAlice Tulip Well, if it were up to me I'd let you loose on pg with the perverts who'll be chasing the kids.. but your attempt at childish disingenuousness aside, I would think you already know the answer. Particularly if your lot indulge in ANR as well. Since it's classified as adult on the rest of the web if you can manage to stay on mature then good luck to you. /me fervently wishes that they'd introduce a sound mind verification rather than age. There's a time and a place for everything.
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-18-2009 19:02
From: Vivienne Schell Btw., what´s his point? I have no idea, I've put him on ignore.
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BabyAlice Tulip
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Join date: 18 Nov 2006
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05-18-2009 19:03
From: Couldbe Yue Well, if it were up to me I'd let you loose on pg with the perverts who'll be chasing the kids..
but your attempt at childish disingenuousness aside, I would think you already know the answer. Particularly if your lot indulge in ANR as well. Since it's classified as adult on the rest of the web if you can manage to stay on mature then good luck to you.
/me fervently wishes that they'd introduce a sound mind verification rather than age. There's a time and a place for everything. i dont know what ANR is all i know is we work hard to keep said pervets out. we just try to offer a fun, free safe place for people to go. the ones that are alowed her are the good well behaved ones. we work every day to keep it that way. we report all the bad ones to LL and ban them from the sim as well. BabyAlice Tulip
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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05-18-2009 19:05
From: Tyr Sartre Ok I have another question now, this is more for private estates.....(Well, partially)
If you have say 50 estates all linked side by side, won't all have to be made either Adult or PG? If not, then whats to keep PG people from camming across and running into the same problem we have with mature next to pg now? Will people have to break up their land masses and move them all over just to avoid "Accidental contact"? No, according to LL's illogic, as long as it isn't THEIR ass on the lane, they don't care of the Private Estate owners have to deal with side-by-side Adult and PG content. The question was asked early on "Why is it OK for Dreamland to have an Adult sim next to a PG one, but the Mainland can't?" The Linden reply was "Because Dreamland is owned by Anshe Chung." IE: It isn't a liability for LL , so they don't care.
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Kara Spengler
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Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
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05-18-2009 19:09
From: BabyAlice Tulip Pamperland! is a adult baby and diaper lover sim. we have rules like no child avis "1.6m minum hieght", no weopons, no violence including vampire hunting. we have a free amusment park, beach and lake area, a dance area, playground, mall ect... the mall has some bondge sstuff by vendors but no wepons or violence stuff.
all i reely want to know if we have to upgrade our sim to adult or can we stay on mature. been trying to get info on the phone and fourms but have yet to get a awnser.
The only logical reason why anyone would have a rule to keep out child AVs is if they have adult content. The bondage things in the mall would also support that rating.
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Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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05-18-2009 19:12
From: Ceera Murakami The question was asked early on "Why is it OK for Dreamland to have an Adult sim next to a PG one, but the Mainland can't?" The Linden reply was "Because Dreamland is owned by Anshe Chung." IE: It isn't a liability for LL , so they don't care. So why won't they allow parcel level restrictions for estates then? This answer makes no sense.
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BabyAlice Tulip
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Join date: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 19
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05-18-2009 19:23
From: Kara Spengler The only logical reason why anyone would have a rule to keep out child AVs is if they have adult content. The bondage things in the mall would also support that rating. only reson they are in the mall is becase the sellers for the ab comunty make them they arnt weapons and no sex. reson we imposed the no child avi rule is becase people get wierd aboiut things. if it come to im shutting it down. it will be my perssonal home and locked off from the rest sl. we dont want to to taht but will if it becames a problem ther
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 777
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05-18-2009 19:49
From: Tyr Sartre Ok I have another question now, this is more for private estates.....(Well, partially)
If you have say 50 estates all linked side by side, won't all have to be made either Adult or PG? If not, then whats to keep PG people from camming across and running into the same problem we have with mature next to pg now? Will people have to break up their land masses and move them all over just to avoid "Accidental contact"? NOpe- the maturity level flagging is done on a per-sim basis. so you could have any mixture of PG, Mature, and Adult sims you liked in that 50 estate cluster. From: someone Additionally: I went through and counted the verified customers I have, and then the unverified, if I decide to move my business to "Adult land" I will loose more then half my customers. It could vary depending on who is actually renting, and who is their guest, could be more then half, could be less, but still a significant number. It could aslo equate to more if people decide to rent in PG land so their unverified friends can visit. I'm not sure if I will need to make a move to "Adult land" or not since the way things are worded about privacy of what you do in your own home. I learned a long time ago, nothing in SL is private. I'll let it slide that anything inside of my home is safe, For now, until some twit accidently cams into my home and is offended by something I may, or may not be doing, but what about my vamp renter who has a graveyard with her tombs and crypts that are made for sex? Does she now need to have an indoor graveyard? Will people now have to construct entire buildings over their sim or small plots, so it's in the "Privacy" of their home? OKay, here's the deal as i understand it- on private estates, with more that one sim, you could do something along the lines that LL is doing on the mainland. Divide the sims according to your needs. leave enough "mature" to cover your unverified residents, and flag however many you need to, "adult". So far, there have been two different concepts of "private" On the one hand, Blondin has said that "private" means Unadvertised/non-commercial whether it it accessible by the public or not. On the other, Blondin has also made reference to "in the privacy of your home", and "being discreet enough not to be noticed/AR'd" So, while Blondin seems to say that the policy would allow the vamp to have her sex coffin in an open-air cemetery, I think that he's actually thinking that most of us live in virtual houses, with virtual bedrooms with virtual curtains.  ^V^
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Valerius Constantine
*I* am adult content!
Join date: 5 Jun 2008
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05-18-2009 19:58
Same in the US- we have special driving certifications, notifications of the need for corrective lenses, existing night blindness, etc. and the Driving license is almost the universal age verification ID in the US. Some states even issue Non-driving license ID's that are similarly official forms of identification- Look like a DL, same info, no driving endorsements. ^V^ Edit- I see that endorsements mean something different in the UK- In the US they mean some sort of special training- a chauffeur's license, for example. I think that listing the "number of strikes" is a state-by-state thing (most states have a 3-year renewal) But they still list your restrictions - night blindness, etc. ^V^
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Kira Welty
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05-18-2009 23:27
Is everyone holding their breath waiting for the storm? I wonder what the eye of the storm will be like? Will we gather here huddling under the table pointing saying "We told you so LL"?
I was going to post a Part II, Part III and a Part IV solutions scenarios...but in all honesty LL wants to play their see/hear/speak no evil routine and through their actions and words have shown that they don't care what we have to say about the world all of us together created.
See everyone on the other side, hope we all survive, fun intact...
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Lord Sullivan
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05-19-2009 00:52
From: Ciaran Laval Well he's right but its not his competitors being killed off he needs to worry about, it's his customers. I think thats what a lot are forgetting in all of this 
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Lord Sullivan
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Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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05-19-2009 01:02
From: Tyr Sartre Ok I have another question now, this is more for private estates.....(Well, partially)
If you have say 50 estates all linked side by side, won't all have to be made either Adult or PG? If not, then whats to keep PG people from camming across and running into the same problem we have with mature next to pg now? Will people have to break up their land masses and move them all over just to avoid "Accidental contact"? <SNIPPED FOR BREVITY> I asked this question both here and at the last Adult Definitions meeting http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Second_Adult_Definitions_meetingI had to leave Strokers follow on question as I love the answer from Ken D the lawyer  From: someone [9:35] JP Linden: Lord Sullivan: Why will PG Mature and Adult sims be allowed to be mixed and side by side on private estates so anyone can walk from PG to adult to mature if their verified status allows yet adult becomes a dirty word and seperated on the mainland?
Marty: Our intent in doing this is to make the mainland a more predictable experience. So we're separating the mature from the adult content on the mainland. In private areas, the owners get to make decisions about what goes on there and how it's rated.
A lot of the adult activity in Second Life is in private areas. And so it's just a decision that we've made that people who own private areas in Second Life get to make the choice about what goes on there and how it's marked.
[9:36] Stroker Serpentine: Ken..Can you elaborate on "Predictible Experience" please!
Sure, a predictable experience, if you want to come into Second Life and not see adult content, that you can do that as long as you stay in mature and PG regions. That's what we mean by "predictable experience."
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Ciaran Laval
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05-19-2009 01:05
Using the release candidate it would seem that the Places tab hasn't quite got into the spirit of things yet.
Whereas it will prevent you searching for the naughty words, it doesn't stop naughty places being returned if you search for safe words, so the top place for "Freebies" is a free sex orgy place, this is even if you set your preferences to PG and therefore only have the PG box ticked.
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Lord Sullivan
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Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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05-19-2009 01:10
From: Ciaran Laval So why won't they allow parcel level restrictions for estates then? This answer makes no sense. Maybe they are hoping Private estates will buy an extra sim now. I was seriously thinking of buying a mature and an Adult sim to have side by side after the move as I can make some money on the sale of the sims worth of mainland which we will have to move, however on reflection I do not want to continue to give LL anymore money than I have to at this point, especially when we have already scaled back from Estate sims to 1 mainland sim. Personally I think this is just the first of some big changes on the horizon and although I write off all the cash I put into SL, I am not in the mood for wasting any further cash at this time while all these changes are going on. I wonder what else has been in the planning stages or is waiting to be released from the last 12 months as this has been. Premium accounts and tier are I am sure next on the list for major changes and I do not think this is the end of the adult changes either. Dam LL makes me more cynical towards them everyday 
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Tyr Sartre
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05-19-2009 02:44
From: Ceera Murakami No, according to LL's illogic, as long as it isn't THEIR ass on the lane, they don't care of the Private Estate owners have to deal with side-by-side Adult and PG content.
The question was asked early on "Why is it OK for Dreamland to have an Adult sim next to a PG one, but the Mainland can't?" The Linden reply was "Because Dreamland is owned by Anshe Chung." IE: It isn't a liability for LL , so they don't care. I'm wondering if it's not more that they think they will loose less money by upsetting the general public rather then Anshe since we all know she will go to every media agency out there, plus if she was to close up shop there would be one hell of a vacume. To me, their butt's should still be on the line for allowing it. They have an oppertunity to try to fix things, but they only throw up a generic patch job. It makes me wonder if I should get a private estate and throw a mature or PG homestead or void space up on each side advertising it in a way people will know they can see an adult sim from there, then set up a open mall, & just set higher rental prices for the spots along the sides. Not that I'm really considering it......
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Kara Spengler
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05-19-2009 03:13
From: Valerius Constantine Some states even issue Non-driving license ID's that are similarly official forms of identification- Look like a DL, same info, no driving endorsements. As far as I know, all states do. Because of epilepsy I am not allowed to drive... but federal and state government buildings want an ID. If the government required me to have an ID but did not let me get one ...
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Lord Sullivan
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05-19-2009 04:22
From: Tyr Sartre I'm wondering if it's not more that they think they will loose less money by upsetting the general public rather then Anshe since we all know she will go to every media agency out there, plus if she was to close up shop there would be one hell of a vacume.
To me, their butt's should still be on the line for allowing it. They have an oppertunity to try to fix things, but they only throw up a generic patch job.
It makes me wonder if I should get a private estate and throw a mature or PG homestead or void space up on each side advertising it in a way people will know they can see an adult sim from there, then set up a open mall, & just set higher rental prices for the spots along the sides. Not that I'm really considering it...... LOL thats what I was considering doing and having posters explaining how to disable the cam etc. so they can buy from the adult side from mature land sort of show how stupid this whole thing is as it stands  I may still do it tho and enable mature shops as well as adult side by side allbeit on the next sim as we need an adult sim whatever happens 
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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05-19-2009 04:23
From: Ciaran Laval Using the release candidate it would seem that the Places tab hasn't quite got into the spirit of things yet.
Whereas it will prevent you searching for the naughty words, it doesn't stop naughty places being returned if you search for safe words, so the top place for "Freebies" is a free sex orgy place, this is even if you set your preferences to PG and therefore only have the PG box ticked. Naughty places haven't been forced to reclassify or move yet, and places that can stay put haven't been prohibited from advertising with the filter words yet. The viewer-side filtering is the small part.
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