RC Questions

I know they have always wanted this to be a business platform, but wouldn't it be easier to set it up upon registration (And cheaper), for business, and educators, to have a link to a special DL page where they and their customers/ students, could all sign up and when they log in, instantly be in their own sim so they don't have to deal with us rabble? All they would have to do after that is have it set up so no one can tp in to them, and they can't accidently TP out to us. Then we would all be out of site, out of mind to each other.

As for the "Predictable experience" on main land. Thats also easily fixed. Many people who don't want PG next to mature would be happy to move with their sim to another spot if someone would just ask, so there can be a little more of a divide. But I'm guessing LL hasn't asked or really gone around talking about it with anyone, just as they hadn't in my situation with the Rail Road.

Being all about the cash, the sensorship doesn't make any sense. There is something else at work, and all we can assume is it has something to do with the Government, but since no 2 Lindens have the same answer, or really seem to know whats going on at the level above them, it does lead one to the conclusion that something else is amiss here.

With all the great technology we have now days, it seems it would be easy to cut at least 90 to 99% of the false verification if someone would set up a way to register using something like a finger print, where the only info given out is a name, and age. I'm not sure how many countries collect finger print data, but here in the U.S. it's been done for a long time.
As long as the info we give out doesn't give out too much info, I don't think as many people would mind.

I'm probably going to get flammed by a few people for the idea of using finger prints, but I don't care, I just want to get the government and whomever else off my back so I can get back to doing Gor, hanging out at strip clubs looking at t*ties and anything else I feel like doing without being censored.

Already available on a third party client:

http://sl.daleglass.net/

Its being worked on (slowly) for the main client:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2972

Gee, what would 3D + internet enabled sex toys do for the adult business in SL?

http://www.extremerestraints.com/vibrating-sex-toys_80/internet-enabled-rabbit-vibrator_1289.html

They did have that for a while, you could give someone a special SLURL link and there would be a sign up link on the SLURL page. And of course they have that deal where they grant people the ability to have their own signup page and infohub/welcome area. I wonder if they quit the SLURL experiment because the infohub operators complained.

Then all they have to do is figure out how to make you able to feel whats going on....Oh my!

Well......until someone drops an atomic bomb on you, then well....I'd want a preference to turn off the pain aspect.

I put the last few comments together in my head, and came up with Al Quaeda using disposable phones to call into SL, getting together on an Islamic sim, and the FBI trying to listen in. I think I read that in a cyberpunk novel a decade or so back.

I guess thats possible. (As you can tell I'm bored out of my mind today and have nothing better to do until the wife gets home from work.) If they quit it, they need to get it back online ASAP.

I agree that the main grid is intended for adults, and have no objections to any suggestions to screen the entire main grid.

Even so, the depictions of sex in mature content are a lot less graphic than those available in SL. 'Mature' sexual depictions are usually soft core and/or under the covers type depictions. SL includes hard core depictions. VIolence getting an R rating is likewise more intense and/or graphic than that getting a mature rating. Most violence in SL would be mature, or even PG or G (keeping in mind that cartoon violence can be G... Furries batting each other with no blood loss is probably G rated ).

Anyway, the point is that there are such distinctions in RL, and the entertainment industry seems to do just fine despite their existance.

I have reported them - on looking around I saw at least 6 or 7 crosses or plinths on the micro parcels - all begging for a donation. Then I looked up the group they belong to and read this.....

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Group - +Jesus saves+

Greetings, brothers and sisters in Christ! Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. We spread the signs of Our Savior across the lands of Second Life on small and abandoned plots of land.

Your group admission fee and all donations are being used towards acquiring new plots to
further our Holy Cause. Anyone contributing tier to the group will receive the coveted "Christian Benefactor" group title!

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The Group admission fee they refer to is a princely L$1,000

Cynical Scam or what ?

Still wondering if it's just a coincidence that these things have been spreading since the Ursula announcement

^L^

My point was not that LL does not owe you compensation for changes they are making. I am not a lawyer, but to the extent I do understand consumer law, I think they might.

My point was that there are existing RL distinctions between mature and 'adult'. The RL adult film industry is not normally considered to include all mature filmmakers, but just the makers of X rated material. Mature media can be seen on basic cable with nothing more than a warning. X rated can only be found on specialty channels, and even they are more limited than some of what is available in SL.

Despite the restrictions on it, the adult entertainment industry does just fine. It is natural for businesses to want to remain unrestricted, but the point is in RL, the restrictions have not killed the industry.. why the assumption that they would do so in SL?

Hmmm. So, if there are more than 50 of them, grid-wide, or more than one in any sim, it's a violation. It's an ad, regardless of any crypto-religious claptrap in which it's been veiled. But whether anything happens in response to ARs all depends on which G-Team member is handling it, and whether the perpetrator has a "special relationship" with the Lindens. See, for example, all the blinging glowing purple casino crystals that are obvious ads--obvious, that is, to everybody but Governance.

I'd guess that the Ursula announcement has rather less to do with this sleaze than the gradual enforcement of the landcutting policy, which is finally killing-off some of the worst of the old adfarmers. Probably they have a few left-over alts, and just can't quite give up being universally despised.

I wonder how many of them have Linden or Mole creators, 'cos the glowing purple crystal schtick came from Nautilus City.

Actually, in the US the X rating was replaced by NC-17. The age limit in the US as it applies to other forms of media is actually 17, not 18. If the NC-17 rating stands as constitutional regarding offline content, what makes you think that congress will never succeed in getting similar restrictions on online content? And again, that is non-participatory content, a visual entertainment media. You cannot touch the images, smell the images, the only difference is image quality. And that SL is *more* interactive and therefore likely generates more of an emotional connection.



Obviously not, since I am openly critical of aspects of this move, and agree that LL likely have legal obligations to current landholders that they may have to find a way to satisfy. Even if these changes were mandated by new legislation, that would not automaticly discharge LL's legal obligations to its landowners.

I still want to know how you think the main grid should be screened -- by asking people to tick a box saying they're over 18 and hoping they're telling the truth, by asking them to enter a few details with Aristotle and hoping it's their details and not Elvis' or their mother's, or what.

Bear in mind, please, that we're talking about implementing something in a couple of months' time, so let's stick to what Linden Labs can conceivably do in that time rather than what you would like to see them do in an ideal world were there the systems and technology in place.
They do indeed, in some circumstances. If you want, for example, to release a dvd or or a video game in real life in the UK, you need to take it to an independent body, the BBFC, http://www.bbfc.co.uk/, and get it classified by them by their trained assessors according to well defined guidelines. Which independent, professional body to you have in mind for our content in SL?

Alternatively, you might think that accessing content on the internet in SL is more analogous to accessing content on the internet from other content providers. In which case, what rating system do you say applies in general, who runs it, and what type of verification method do they use?

The 'are you 18?' question is problematic, in that someone not legally considered an adult is also not legally considered mature enough to understand the importance of answering that question honestly. Verification, albiet flawed, at least attempts to verify via independant data. Aristotle should be flagging out data such as Elvis' and should be pressured to do so.

As for the time limit, LL should be postponing changes until key aspects are dealt with (which is not the same as scrapping the plan). The search system needs further refinement, and they need to ensure they have proper support for moves (at a minimum) before implementation. If new legislation does occur, they could still go with whatever plan they had at the time, but until/unless that does happen, they should be going slower.

As for an independant body, I suggest they should set up a ratings board and have participation in that board from the adult service providers in SL. That participation should be full participation, with voting powers, albiet likely not a controlling vote. Note that they did actually initially try to ask the community for help in establishing definitions, but the majority did not participate. By the time more started to, Blondin had moved on to other aspects (for whatever reason).

There's a way to do this, sort of.

XCite sells software to interface your in world XCite bits with a (rather homebuilt-looking) third party...er, peripheral device. This device is a vibrator with a USB cable.

I'll leave it to the reader to connect the dots.

Just because the RL adult industry manages to exist in spite of restrictions is not a valid argument for imposing said restrictions on SL.

I would agree there, the things people get up to to make a few L$'s especially as the land is abandoned lol maybe they saw an opportunity to make some money with the LL clean up I will keep my eyes open for them on my travels and AR them also

They might do better with a wireless model... cable might be fine for those into tentacles, though

hmmm methinks you may have more experience in sl than you're letting on..

Hmmm. I see since some weeks one of these crosses http://slurl.com/secondlife/Elver/212/3/35 (the same like in your pic) in near of the shop I have together with a friend on east-continent. Also on north-continent I saw some, but there I can't remember the locations. But all the years before I saw none on my ways. Maybe a new epidemic...

Creater is Eric Linden. But that tells not much. Could be made of freebies and mixed with textures, notacards and scripts of another avatar and shows Eric Linden only because he created one of the basic elements as freebie ages before. Well the content shows a name...

This rotating thing is a nerve-killer. It is not on our land, but in direct near. Maybe a job for my beloved Scarlet Linden *giggles* Adverts should not rotate says the new rule...

Cross stands on relative large land. 7296sqm. But the owner has non-religous average business. Hmmm. Maybe the owner of the land knows nothing. Land has full entry rights for all objects and residents and no send back objects time...

It seems that the cross people screwing their crosses into any ground they find for free.

Just my impression so far.

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Comment.

/me founds the First Church of Mainland Hedgies and the offshoot sect of the First Church of Ursula Hedgies with Boobs as Big as Your Head.

Please donate.

That's very forward-thinking of you, Meade, to found your church with a schism already in place! Kudos.

Since I converted to Frisbeetarianism, though (thank you, Argent!), I'll need larger plots of land, for all the whizzing discs.

TY.

/me puts Lindal down for a Bishopesses hat.

Since the law of contract in the State of California is but one of the many things about which I know nothing whatsoever, I wasn't trying to make a legal point. Rather, I think it seems indisputable that Linden Labs have radically changed their terms and conditions, so your observation there was already a voluntary adult category anyway is neither here nor there. It didn't seem to me a suitable description for my content under the definitions in force when I bought my sims and, in any case, it was a voluntary oneSince SL isn't accessed via cable tv, let's stick to the medium under discussion. What restrictions, other than my clicking a box to assure the proprietors of an adult website or dvd download service that I am over 18 (and being prepared to pay any entrance fee if necessary, do you say apply to my accessing X rated material on the internet?

The fact that an industry working with a completely different market base, business model and set of economics does something or doesn't do it is all very interesting but not particularly germane to a discussion of what is, for most of us, no more than an enjoyable and addictive hobby from which we perhaps hope to cover our costs and make a bit of pocket money if we're lucky.