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If you set your preferences to PG only you won't find the places you do in the places tab, if you use search all.

Classifieds are also filtered in search all.

That would be because one item is a real search engine and one is a thin layer over a simple database query, the real search engine (all tab) can block that stuff without enabling the sim-side features. There is word blocking that will prevent that stuff from being put into parcel descriptions in the first place, that part has not been switched on yet. When it gets switched on, the places tab would not have that stuff because it can't be listed that way any more.

How are they going to stop parcels with words already in them from appearing?

Mainland:
Make them move to Ursula? Where they would need to establish new ads that would already be marked as adult.

Estates:
Dunno.

The new client has no way to remove what is already there in the search fields. Once it shows you an entry, you see the whole entry. So if someone created an ad using the old client, and on PG land made an ad listing the entire babnned word list plus "Poodles", and you search PG for "Poodles", you'll see that ad, dirty words and all. As far as I can see, you can indefinitely renew an ad that has banned words in it, even with the new client.

Once the new restrictions go into effect, ads containing banned words on non-Adult parcels would likely be an AR offense, and in many cases already are - such as the example cited above, with a coarsely-worded ad on PG land. That won't prevent some people from using old clients or 3-rd party clients to place ads that are NOT word-filtered, to get an unfair advantage over merchants using the standard, filtered client.

I do not hope, that the Linden Lab's War on Erotica and Freedom is inspired by this:

http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

Hopefully they will be kind about it, but it's nothing they haven't done before. For past things they've found objectionable, they've talked with land owners and asked them to change things; gone in and forcibly changed wording on their own; and blanked out fields wholesale. It's going to involve a lot of manual labor, just like the physical moves will. The automated part will just prevent the listed words from going back in.

Hmmm... they'll have their work cut out, won't they, especially since not everything is in English. Judging by the small but steady increase in the number of spinning signs and illegally-placed ads on the mainland - demonstrating that they clearly can't keep on top of the ad ban - I wonder how they'll fare?

Votes for misc-2727 have slowed down lately. Think of the impact if we could tell Blondin tomorrow that it was the #1 JIRA.

http://dictionary.reference.com

Word meanings for mature & adult (note numbers 7 & 8 in MATURE)

MATURE
  
1. complete in natural growth or development, as plant and animal forms: a mature rose bush.
2. ripe, as fruit, or fully aged, as cheese or wine.
3. fully developed in body or mind, as a person: a mature woman.
4. pertaining to or characteristic of full development: a mature appearance; fruit with a mature softness.
5. completed, perfected, or elaborated in full by the mind: mature plans.
6. (of an industry, technology, market, etc.) no longer developing or expanding; having little or no potential for further growth or expansion; exhausted or saturated.
7. intended for or restricted to adults, esp. by reason of explicit sexual content or the inclusion of violence or obscene language: mature movies.
8. composed of adults, considered as being less susceptible than minors to explicit sexual content, violence, or obscene language, as of a film or stage performance: for mature audiences only.
9. Finance. having reached the limit of its time; having become payable or due: a mature bond.
10. Medicine/Medical.
a. having attained definitive form or function, as by maturation of an epithelium from a basal layer.
b. having attained the end stage of a normal or abnormal biological process: a mature boil.
11. Geology. (of a landscape) exhibiting the stage of maximum topographical diversity, as in the cycle of erosion of a land surface.

ADULT

1. having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature: an adult person, animal, or plant.
2. of, pertaining to, or befitting adults.
3. intended for adults; not suitable for children: adult entertainment.
–noun
4. a person who is fully grown or developed or of age.
5. a full-grown animal or plant.
6. a person who has attained the age of maturity as specified by law.


LOL @ Linden labs.

Actually, that is not correct. The adult content checkbox will be shown in most of the search tabs, although greyed out until you get the right things done. The fact that there is such a choice shown, should be enough of a clue that it is available someplace in SL.

The real issue is whether the client will explain clearly how to upgrade your account, or leave it to murky Knowledge Base and community standards pages that newbies won't know how to find.

Additional to that, Linden Lab has an alternative and arbitrarily view on vocables like "Buy" and "Owner".

We - matured adults - bought land (space on a hard disk) and we own it.

They say so. "Buy land" and after buying, the "About land" window says: Owner!

We own also all our bought or self-designed creations.

What makes LL? They do culture-politics and dictatorship on/with our land/property...

It is all a complete farce, kafkaesk.

So, yes: LOL @ Linden Labs. 24/7/365

Another important dictionary definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism

What Prospero Linden has said is that if it drives the sim to be locked too long, their grid monitoring may decide it has stopped working, and reboots it. Locking is to keep other changes from interfering with a take or rez in progress. How long it takes depends on the kinds of objects, grid load, and sim load, so it is not just a simple number of prims issue, and the 1000 prim limit is intended to be conservative for any likely situation.

I guess they feel that preventing inventory loss and corruption is more important than making life difficult for builders.

I wonder though about attaching high prim clothes. It is not uncommon to see avatars carrying 1000 prims of jewelry and other clothing bits, so if you detach or attach all at once, would that hit the new limit?

People who complain but still come back again and again. And keep posting to keep their forum alive. That makes LL. SCNR.

Not this time. After voidsim and now this, they'll have to do something phenomenally wonderful for me to buy land from them ever again. Not when they can take it away or tell you what you can do with it every time a Linden sneezes wrong.

Also, in the news today;

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2009/05/18/china-s-first-sex-themed-theme-park-is-torn-down-by-authorities-115875-21369321/

A giant nearly-naked female torso and over-sized male genitals were just two of the attractions at China’s first-ever sex theme park that caused authorities to tear the project down at the weekend.

This has been my point all along, and I know Blondin has read that particular post.
Why was I led to believe that the mature land I bought was for use as "mature" (ie. anything goes)?
Do the Lindens make up their own definitions for English vocabluary as they go along?

I'm pretty sure it would be possible to build a law suit on this alone!!

I went through the list of filtered words again, since release notes for 1.26.4 says they changed the list. The following changes are noted:

Added:

Strap-on
X-rated

Removed:

Faggot
Ponygirl
Ponyplay
Shemale
Shit

(Note: This took about an hour to do manually, and I finished it today, before 1.26.4 is rolled out to the entire grid. Just shows the futility of trying to hide the information)

I also discovered that leading or trailing a filtered word with most symbols (~!@# etc) gives an unfiltered result. Therefore *sex, (sex) or *sex+ returns all the same results at mature that sex gives at adult. An exception is the minus and plus signs (- and +) used exclusively. This also works to get adult results from the website search.

I also tested it with an unverified account:

Input to search/all : "sex)"
Output: Results 1 - 10 of about 12200 for (sex)



It filters the *input* to search, by simply dropping words. A search for "sex bed" becomes a search for "bed" at mature level. A search for "sex" becomes a search for "" and returns nothing. The output still contains all the results for the given input word, so as you say, it can include adult type places at present.

The other type of filtering is by region rating. If you search below adult, no results from adult land are returned, regardless of what you search for. This can be tested by searching for "Safe Hub", the parcel located on Arapaima. On adult search, it is found, on mature search it is not.

Once adult places move to adult land, the kind of naughty results you find will be reduced.

Except for the fact that there is already a separate distinction between mature and adult by way of existing ratings boards. If you are going to ignore definitions which may apply better, you need to be able to defend your choices.

I've been making an extra push amongst my group members (3000 +) over the last few days and have seen a few additional votes added each time just after making the call (which might just be coincidence) there are still a lot of folk who find the jira process a little confusing as the vote links are not instantly self evident, so I have made a special illustrated step by step instruction texture which everyone is welcome to use.

You can download a copy here...

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/masterlasher/SLAdultContentProtestPosters#

I'll also put it up on xstreet later today 'cause I hate the thought of LL getting repeat upload fees for a protest item or drop me an IM - I'll be happy to send a copy over

^L^

The adult rating is for 18 and over, mature is for 17 and over but still includes violence and sex. As the main grid is 18+ it's quite clearly intended for adults.

3350 @ 10May, 6am SL
3389 @ 11May, 6am SL (+39 since previous day)
3440 @ 12May, 6am SL (+51)
3529 @ 12May, 6pm SL
3574 @ 13May, 8am SL (+134)
3591 @ 13May, 7pm SL
3615 @ 14May, 6am SL (+41)
3679 @ 15May, 6am SL (+64)
3730 @ 16May, 6am SL (+51)
3783 @ 17May, 6am SL (+53)
3815 @ 18May, 3am SL (+37) (I adusted the change numbers a bit since I
3888 @ 19May, 8am SL (+6 checked at a different time)

After the initial rush, we seem to have settled down to about 60 votes a day on average.
Based on that, this should become the #1 issue in 4 days, and a statistical tie in 3 days (at 4125 votes)

Sorry Alexander, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you mean by "If you are going to ignore definitions which may apply better, you need to be able to defend your choices."

The reason for my post was to clarify what is GENERALLY understood by the words mature and adult.

According to the dictionary one of the accepted meanings for mature is...
www.dictionary.reference.com

MATURE
  
7. intended for or restricted to adults, esp. by reason of explicit sexual content or the inclusion of violence or obscene language: mature movies.
8. composed of adults, considered as being less susceptible than minors to explicit sexual content, violence, or obscene language, as of a film or stage performance: for mature audiences only.

So are you saying the Lindens do indeed have their own definition for the word mature?
If that's the case, why isn't it brought to the land buyers attention BEFORE they buy the land in question?

Perhaps it would have been helpful fro me to see a drop down menu that said..
"Does the buyer accept that Linden labs definition of mature does not mean the same as the definition used by everyone else using the English language? Oh! and by the way, the meaning of the word "mature" and the allowed uses for this parcel of land can be changed at any time, at Linden labs discretion."

At the time of buying, I was not aware of the difference in the Lindens translation of "mature". If I had wanted to buy land with restrictions, I would have chosen land with a covenant.

The 'How to Vote' poster is now up on xstreet here...

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1478018

It also opens the jira page on touch.

^L^