These are the only actual changes I see from the original announcement which haven't at some point been overturned by one Linden or another. I may have blinked and missed some, though.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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05-12-2009 12:54
These are the only actual changes I see from the original announcement which haven't at some point been overturned by one Linden or another. I may have blinked and missed some, though. _____________________
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Talarus Luan
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05-12-2009 12:58
He's one of the very few people at LL that will even acknowledge SL has residents any more. I just think that being insulting to the one guy who will talk to us is productive. You'll have to forgive me, as I am not feeling very "acknowledged" as a resident by him at the moment. I'm STILL waiting on answers to a lot of questions I (and others, to be sure) have asked. |
Kara Spengler
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05-12-2009 13:00
1) I will have to download the new viewer that they say EVERYONE will be forced to use. Is that correct or did they change it? Blondin clarified earlier that the new viewer would be required to access adult content, but not required if you only wanted to access non-adult stuff. _____________________
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Hypatia Meili
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Talk about spin!
05-12-2009 13:02
From the Kirk thingy:
While Second Life claims to prevent children under the age of 13 from accessing the site, there are no age verification features built into the registration process. Second Life’s own lawyers admit that its “teen area” may have adults prowling and the adult area may have children present. Outside of the pre-approved “teen area” are countless locations where users engage in virtual prostitution, drug use and other wholly inappropriate activities. Drug dealers and predators routinely attempt to contact users in the real world once a meeting happens in Second Life. |
Kara Spengler
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05-12-2009 13:04
Yep, yet another example of LL refusing to admit that their fly is unzipped, even *after* they keep stepping on their Linden. You can almost hear them now .... "Linden!!!! Linden it all to Linden!!! Linden!" ![]() _____________________
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Meade Paravane
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05-12-2009 13:09
That may be true, but it's getting harder and harder for me to find any sympathy for Blondin when in one post (#155 ![]() Yeah. The original statement was... I currently own a half sim, and have 2 sections to my business.... on the ground level I sell houses, this area consists of 2 beautiful little islands surrounded by water.... & higher up in the sky I have a floating platform where I sell furniture, some of which contain adult sex animations. So, it really doesn't sound like adult stuff is even close to her main thing and that she could probably fiddle with the parcel keywords and end up staying on mature mainland. Or do you really think it sounds like an "adult oriented business"? _____________________
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Meade Paravane
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05-12-2009 13:10
You'll have to forgive me, as I am not feeling very "acknowledged" as a resident by him at the moment. I'm STILL waiting on answers to a lot of questions I (and others, to be sure) have asked. I would bet that I've been ignored as often as you have in these threads. I'm not to the point of shooting the messenger yet, though. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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05-12-2009 13:11
Still awaiting information on what help, if any, private estates are going to get. Whereas LL can print land for their estate this isn't quite so simple for private estate owners to do.
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Meade Paravane
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05-12-2009 13:12
Still awaiting information on what help, if any, private estates are going to get. Whereas LL can print land for their estate this isn't quite so simple for private estate owners to do. They will happily sell you additional islands. Really, I think that's the entire plan right there. _____________________
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Hypatia Meili
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05-12-2009 13:13
~snip~ The only semi-nitpick is the use of "Age Verification" - they use the Aristotle system for that (which is the second option you mentioned). They are saying that in order to access Adult land, you need to be "Account Verified" which means either age verified or the first option you mentioned.. ~snip~ PS. The ticket was denied, but they fixed it any way. Go figure! (Well at least it got read, not all of them are.) |
Talarus Luan
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05-12-2009 13:19
I would bet that I've been ignored as often as you have in these threads. I'm not to the point of shooting the messenger yet, though. I wouldn't doubt it, but that doesn't make the situation any better, really, does it? I already have my doubts about his "messenger" status anyway. |
Ann Otoole
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05-12-2009 13:22
Darien was one of the creators that I admire and respect, one of the reasons I started making things and scripting. She is one of those that showed me anything is possible. Watching Darien pack up, give out, and leave over this last night was why I wrote that post. I didn't think ahead to what I should do with it after posting, I just needed to say it. I'm not entirely sure who to send it to. 29 signatories on the wiki. I honestly didn't expect that ![]() Darien always leaves and then comes back. And then leaves again. Be it a forum or whatever. Show me a designer of merit that has an actual economic impact on SL that is leaving. Is Xcite, Sexgen, Armidi, Akeo, or Stiletto Moody leaving over this? |
Talarus Luan
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05-12-2009 13:25
Darien always leaves and then comes back. And then leaves again. Be it a forum or whatever. Show me a designer of merit that has an actual economic impact on SL that is leaving. Is Xcite, Sexgen, Armidi, Akeo, or Stiletto Moody leaving over this? Who? |
Argent Stonecutter
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05-12-2009 13:33
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05-12-2009 13:36
Bulshytt is the new black. /me looks around with a scowl, daring anybody to even think about dissing Neal. Snowcrash was a stupid book. _____________________
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05-12-2009 13:37
/me looks around with a scowl, daring anybody to even think about dissing Neal. 1. Neal Stephenson has no idea how to finish a novel. 2. Cryptonomicon should have stayed a one-shot article in Wired. 3. The Baroque Cycle has more Mary Sues than the Swiss Family Robinson. _____________________
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Valerius Constantine
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05-12-2009 13:47
Based on what you describe - I don't see why you would have to move to the Adult Continent. Not until you need to use accurate search terms to advertise, anyway. Blondin, Am I correct that as things stand now, you can open a dildo shop. Sell dildos, have a big sign in your shop *saying* they are dildos, even make them look as real as possible. You can even call the place "Dill's Dough Palace" if you wanna be cute. All on *mature* land. You simply cannot advertise your business using accurate terms, advertise a party in which the use of your product figures heavily, or arrange a series of "free test drives" for your product *outside* the store. "dildo" would probably be a filtered search term as would any reference to any of the *uses* for your product . And the search evidently won't let you use any of those terms for your search description if you are on mature land. (an aside- Does it work the same way for classified ads? If you are located on a "mature" parcel, you cannot use adult words in your advertising?) So, you can *exist* on mature land- you simply cannot advertise in the usual way- via the land description. You cannot really try to grow your business, increase sales, etc. and the very first time that a tight-assed neighbor combines with a G-teamer with a hangover (or a prudish attitude- witness what happened with Wynochee's protest signs) You get an abuse report and someone decides that you're playing it way too cute for mature land. So you decide to move to Ursula after all. But the land speculators have gotten there first. They know that *any* adult business *must* settle there eventually, and so must the merely "mature" end of the spectrum, unless one *likes* living with the threat of an AR hanging over one's head. They *know* that they have a captive audience. They can charge whatever they want, and the adult businesses that didn't qualify for the free swap *must* buy, or else close up shop. It makes Nautilus and Bay City look like a drop in the bucket. Does that sound about like what will happen after the freebie swap is over? in phases 2 and 3 of this plan? Sorry if I sound a little bitter, there blondin, but your changes are driving good people out of business, and out of SL. Darien Caldwell left today. put all her stuff in full perm box and chucked years of work and effort in SL. There's going to be more of that, blondin. quite a bit more. LL *could* have included us in this process. We *could* have worked out a way to do this that didn't send residents fleeing into the night with their hair on fire. We still *could* do that, if LL will take its fingers out of its ears, swallow its ego, and admit that the plan, as it stands will do little or nothing to deal with the problem. If LL will admit that it needs help. Or, if LL has some agenda that we don't know about, and this plan is a small part of it, clue us in. maybe we can help. Seriously Blondin- *we* built this place. the reason you *have* wonderland is that people like us took empty space with a grass texture on it, and used LL's toolkit to create beauty, horror and everything in between. What makes you think that the brainpower, creativity and inspiration that represents can't make *any* goal of LL's a success? Tell what is going on- Let us help you. Stop running full tilt into the oncoming train. Before you wind up with a *lot* more Dariens ^V^ |
Valerius Constantine
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05-12-2009 13:48
If you notice on top of the KB Article it says: Note: This document is undergoing a round of edits. The final version may be different. And that worked out so well for the SL6B team, didn't it? They noticed the "Pending" part of the definitions *real* well. ^V^ |
Tcko Cazalet
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http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/An_Open_Letter_to_Linden_Lab
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-12-2009 13:55
A stupid Illinois congressman said:
"Drug dealers and predators routinely attempt to contact users in the real world once a meeting happens in Second Life." Funny, in almost three years in SL, nobody has offered to sell me drugs. But then SL sucks at localization. It's great at meeting people, but its awful at meeting people nearby, which is kinda necessary for an illegal drug deal. As far as contacting me in the real world, only if I give up my RL contact info, which I don't do. His statements are so far off from reality its funny. People come into SL to play out fantasies they would not do in RL cause its safe and anonymous. |
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05-12-2009 13:55
And that worked out so well for the SL6B team, didn't it? They noticed the "Pending" part of the definitions *real* well. ^V^ and that was Dusty Linden, although after pointing it out he did see the problem and corrected it and apologized, although if Linden staff can't get it right because of an obvious lack of communication within the company, no wonder this adult stuff is a mess ![]() _____________________
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Whoa ......Ursula 384
05-12-2009 13:58
Look at the map of ursula....there are red offline sims showing the last one is Ursula 384
Maybe they are realizing that it's a hell of a lot more than 2 to 4 % ![]() |
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05-12-2009 14:04
Look at the map of ursula....there are red offline sims showing the last one is Ursula 384 Maybe they are realizing that it's a hell of a lot more than 2 to 4 % ![]() Well Cyn did acknowledge at the BB on Monday, that people buying land now would be able to move if they qualified for the move. Maybe we should have a "sex up" second life campaign and everyone that wanted to move should make sure their parcels were sexed up, advertised as public sex areas and in search then we could all move as Cyn said it was ok. Just a thought of course ![]() PS: If enough people did it then the move to Ursula would be better for everyone and everyone can verify with Aristotle without problems as we all know and as LL knows and accepts. _____________________
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Couldbe Yue
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05-12-2009 14:05
Look at the map of ursula....there are red offline sims showing the last one is Ursula 384 Maybe they are realizing that it's a hell of a lot more than 2 to 4 % ![]() They're possibly practising the bulk load of sims. if they vanish in a few days don't be surprised. What I'm hoping is that cyn/jack etc are actually coming through on the statement that everyone who wants the move can have it. /me dashes off to see if there's snowfields. _____________________
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Valerius Constantine
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05-12-2009 14:13
A MotD is hopefully in the works. What we want to wait for is a clearer, finalized Definitions article and FAQ sheet to be able to point people to. You could also have used it to ask for input from more than just us forum dwellers. ![]() People are out there right now buying mature land and planning to open adult businesses. they are trying to make *plans*, and the very *ground* beneath their virtual feel is going to change its fundamental characteristics! they *need* to have this information to plan their businesses- to have a *predictable outcome* to their land purchases. A disclaimer at the land office, an MotD to the draft definitions will at least tell them that they should wait and buy on Ursula, or that they will be able to get mainland for cheap after the switch. LL is, whether it is intentional or not, manipulating the *hell* out of land prices, and it ought to say something about that to its customers. Fair's fair, blondin. If the contract changes, you *tell* people about it, you don't screw around with dribs and drabs of information. Sorry, but "clearer, finalized definitions" doesn't mean much when Cyn is saying that they will be constantly evolving- there's no such thing as "final" to this. And by the way, the reason to publish the list is so that the vendors and concerns that stay on mature land will know what the hell they can say about their business without having to use trial and error. It takes a lot of time and effort, especially if you are a borderline business. There will be a lot of people in the category of "Not adult enough for a free trip to Pornodelphia, but too adult to advertise on mature land." The list is for them to figure out *how* to advertise *at all*, not for them to "game the system". One more thing- How exactly does leaving mature and PG sims all jumbled together, and leaving the lion's share of adult content (in the non-business, non advertised parcels) there for anyone to trip over accomplish the goal of a "more predictable" "PG" experience? I mean, *exactly* how? LL is leaving a *bunch* of adult content intact for "PG" lovers to find, and be offended by. Give me an example of one way this change will keep someone from stumbling over the "PG" border into "Mature" land and put a foot in some ickiness? I'll wait. ^V^ |