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I would prefer to put them in the sheep dip and hold them down until they stop struggling...

Just to pre-empt any possible misinterpretations: It is only the minimap, meaning you'd likely be within camming distance anyway. It *does* give a little less privacy when using a skybox high in the air, but if you believed you had privacy from people in the same sim when doing that now, this may be a needed wake-up call rather than a newly-added invasion.

people usually don't cam up to 4000m

Darien was one of the creators that I admire and respect, one of the reasons I started making things and scripting. She is one of those that showed me anything is possible.

Watching Darien pack up, give out, and leave over this last night was why I wrote that post. I didn't think ahead to what I should do with it after posting, I just needed to say it. I'm not entirely sure who to send it to.
29 signatories on the wiki. I honestly didn't expect that

I was not talking specifically about the brownbag, more of a general observation, inculding some specific responses to support tickets I received. someone saying "not my department ask so and so" is way different then just giving different answers.


(note: I was not sure if I should actually post any of the support responses other then to just state the general out come)

Is there any particular reason why we NEED this feature?

Ignoring, just for a moment, the thousands of children who clearly have criminally neglectful parents... I'm getting utterly sick of phrases as used in the above. "Rape rooms" in SL can be nothing more than places with various animations where the "victim" *has* to put themselves into the role play. Much as it's not my thing (I tried and failed to find enjoyment in Dark Alley) it is others, and as they are behind a keyboard the only physical aspect is what they may choose to perform upon themselves as the scene unfolds. Mentally it could be argued there's a risk of harm, but then as there's always the option to TP out, or even (shock, horror) exit SL, one could argue anyone mentally scarred is someone who should be asking themselves why they *chose* to engage in such Rp in the first place. Some I'm sure want to try and work out demons from a horrific RL experience, others maybe get a thrill from a romanticised (for want of a better word) notion of this and want to explore it in a safe environment. But the bottom line is the most it can be considered is pixel play rape.

So why the fixation with "rape rooms" and similar definitions? Because saying "a child might stumble across some frankly comedic animated representations of sex" isn't anything like as emotive and lacks the power to get the media and public on side. A play rape in SL is to me no more damaging (to a consenting/ willing participant) than a BDSM scenario, or even a fairly vanilla cyber/ pixel sex moment. How two or more people get their biological kicks and reach finale is their business, but even the most lights off marital duty types know there's little mileage in attacking people who may play out their naked pixels in a missionary, sensual way.

I do agree children should be kept away from all sexual activities on SL, but terms as the above seem to only serve to make those of us who wish to enjoy and explore our sexuality appear moral deviants who have no place on "God's" green Earth, and who cerainly should never be allowed near children. It's your fault and my fault if a poor little child grows up maladjusted from seeing some cartoon sex, and not the parents for not keeping an eye on what the little tyke was doing on that shiny PC they got to do homework on.

All I can say is wow. Total disconnect with your customers. The fact that so many things were misinterpreted and the fact that many questions began with "I don't know what you mean" or "uhh" says exactly how much you (Linden Labs) know about your own platform, Second Life, and your customers. I'm not sure how someone can not understand what contextual search is. How can anyone who spends any decent amount of time in Second Life not understand the term "Photorealistic" as it pertains to skins and art within SL, or even what an affiliate vendor is? How can anyone watch mainland prices per meter continue to drop and yet claim that adding more land into the mainland market is a good thing? Why are you completely unaware of all the false negatives and false positives that occur with your Age-Verification system?

I'm curious to see just how "positive" you will make these changes for your customers when it appears you don't even understand them.

not that I can think of or have ever heard of.. but it certainly fits in with this new vision of living the emo life where every little brainless thought or fart is broadcast to the world at large.

to me it screams "hey I'm here!!! Quick, come bother me whether I like it or not!!"

If you want real privacy, vote for SVC-205.

Cut down on sim lag from all the people running badly written avatar radars that rescan multiple times a second and continually update people's positions on a HUD.

Come on, you can't be surprised about that. The name of the project for them has been "AO" which is already a widely used acronym inworld, that's how much the people behind these moves know about the world.

which of course makes it all ok. This is for the benefit of LL so it doesn't matter who is disadvantaged and it's unlikely people are going to take those radars off anyway because they're not going to have the minimap constantly open when they can have the little list discreetly to one side

It was well written and worthy of acknowledgment publicly hence the wiki where people can post their signatures to it as I as well as others felt it stated what we are thinking

33 signatures now at time of posting

Don't forget to sign it folks and pass the URL around also and raise even more general awareness of these issues and possibly add to the wiki

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/An_Open_Letter_to_Linden_Lab

Which is why many people have alts.

likewise.. and that is the reason I dropped by her place and picked up the box. I can learn more about the creation of quality content, here or wherever we end up, from studying her work.

So Dari, if you're reading this there is more of your presence still inworld than you think.. your work will be teaching us all until the last ex-employee of LL turns out the lights. Everything I make with things I learn from your stuff will hold a notecard crediting you for it too.

Post what you want on the SLapt.me wiki as its on our servers not LL's especially things related to these issues because then people can see pattens emerging from the information all being in one place

No, that's not "that makes it OK". that's "why I think (think, guess, assume, suspect) they're doing it".

Erm, no, it's for the benefit of people who want to have their AO actually work when they're in a busy sim.

The radars I'm talking about are effectively little minimaps themselves.

Agreed. This article was pretty pathetic. Nice harsh words sure to catch attention, but also kinda funny to think of him presenting the attached screen shots of the animated cartoons forcefully raping each other. Just another example of complete over-reaction, ignorance, and total exaggeration of what one is seeing in SL. It was nice of the Senator to mention parents should have some kind of responsiblility for their child at the very bottom of his message after he smeared SL and all 4 million of us "perverts" (aka sex-offenders) to no end. In my opinion, he is exploiting children in order to throw his weight around in the political arena. Quite sad.

OK that justification I can understand - build something into the client that obviates the need for something that anybody that wants to know can get readily in-world and do it more efficiently than the Radar HUDs ever dreamed. Not as brain-dead as I first thought.

I have some too, but I am often too lazy to change to them if I see something interesting. Additional I am childish, hahaha, I think the "boss-ava" has to see things first as chief of my ava-staff. (This game makes me schizo and crazy, hahaha)

When I am working I have both the minimap and my radar HUD up to see who is close to me and where they are. When I am not working I tend to have the minimap up so I know who could be watching me and how private I currently am (or at least be fairly certain).

So when this becomes "official" I will be turning off my radar HUD, yes.

There are generally two schools of thought on topics like this. One goes, "Don't make it *too* easy for the casual nuisance", the other goes, "If there *is* an issue, smack it in my face so I know what I have to deal with".
I generally subscribe to the latter.
If I want privacy and security... well, I want to be private and secure, not "somewhat hidden unless people know the right scripts or sniff the network traffic" (as Meade mentioned).
So to me, the feature doesn't take anything away, and it may come in handy in some situations, so I like it. (I practically always zoom my camera around to scope out who's near).

I'm wondering, would it be a working compromise to limit it to only show the names of those avatars who are within your maximum camming distance (with an unmodified client)?
-Mind you, the data is obviously still there on a protocol level, so in my mind, it doesn't give you any added *privacy*, but some might like it better that way.

On a related topic, I am all for adding new features to truly hide your status and presence, and there are several requests for this.

AND this is where this whole discussion ties back into the adult segregation: There have been several requests and ideas for actually *controlling your experience*. Privacy is one. Themed communities. Zoning-by-consensus.
Rather, we get this "one size fits all, and if you fall outside this, you just have to sort of hide and hope nobody abuses it".

16 avs and 98m (96? I can never remember) is fine by me. every av up to 4500m isn't ok by a long shot

You know there's full-sim avatar radars using temp-rez scanner proxies, right?