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I'd say have a going out of business sale, but what's the point?

I must say that second inventory is looking like a good purchase right now

We have all been wondering what is behind all this well i have good news, i figured it out!!!

They stated they have been working on this since last year. So it came o me.

Last year the Lindens finally got the sims and servers and network and gird, mostly stable and things were running smoothly.

So of course they had to have meetings, discuss and fix that. Can't have things running smoothly, this is Second Life afterall.

So to the Lindens, well done!!! you have managed to mess things up all over again.

Job well done!!!

Sims are not working properly, lag is way up, we have new major bugs like the mono memory swap. Now we have new problems, like items reappearing days after you remove them from a sim or sims reverting after som one spends all day wokring on them etc. Things are back to normla again, all messed up as usual.

The todays brown bag showed that exemplaric. Someone didn't understand why alts need to be associated to the main ava (for being verified too), another one had no clue about affiliated vendors and so on. Actually is any xstreet biz down. I wonder from where the Lindens taking their optimism each day.

Maybe it's me, but if the Lindens involved in this brownbag have any impact on the post policy enforcement - or future policy change - then Residents' unadvertised residencies could easily be next, IMHO...

Just listen to how they go about their intent with the policy - to make Mainland a predictable experience, where an average Resident won't just bump into adult content and that they'll have to consciously access it (I guess they imagine by searching/verifying/TPing to Ursula)...

Even if you moved ALL 'businesses' and 'public' spaces to Ursula - adult or not - SL is still full of adult content in our homes, isn't it?

LL have repeatedly claimed that 'private' Mature Mainland spaces will be exempt (e.g. your house or skybox, unadvertised but technically accessible by anyone walking into your parcel) from the policy - and even I for one have so far believed them - but just listen to the segment in the brownbag where they state their intent about the user experience a few times. IMHO, within weeks our 'private' Mainland spaces could be cleansed.

I imagine LL will continue to claim that this will not be the case - but if there's any truth in their aim for predictability - especially after they change the names of PG and M(ature) - what other option will they have?

Just today I flew around approximately 20 random Mature Mainland SIMs, and all of them had 'private' dwellings in, that had all sorts of adult content (sex poseballs, porn, avatars engaged in sex/violence in open chat etc.). Forgetting Search/Classifieds for a second and the idea of 'business'/public... what are LL going to do then?



Everything appears to be (and will be, according to LL) under review and constant revision, according to the brownbag - is that predictable?

Why did they have such problems understanding the questions?


http://s3.amazonaws.com/static-secondlife-com/media/mp3/Definitions_BB.mp3

I'm beginning to think they understand all too well. But they can't truthfully answer them, or even come up with believeable bullshit at this point, so they play dumb. This is really going to be interesting to watch play out, especially from a detached viewpoint. I really think it's going to get ugly, and the SL that emerges will be vastly different.

Which is the reason Carl Metropolitan and others have rabidly tried to get them to "officialize" the clarifications and promises various Lindens have been given. There is, for apparently very good reason, a fear that the texts we've seen so far in for example the infamous knowledge base 6010 is how it'll actually be enforced, despite promises that it's "not the final version" and "we'll not change anything about the current PG definitions".

Somebody wrote those texts, so somebody must mean that's how things should be, and apparently, said "somebody" have no clue (or refuse to acknowledge) that any Linden have said anything else.

JUst finished listening to it myself- For the being the ones in charge of this plan, they sure don't know much do they?

Every other answer was "I don't understand the question". "or "I don't know what that is."

and the fumbling, trembling voices- the throat clearing, the "ummmm" ing- all indicative of people who aren't prepared - haven't done their homework, don't know their *lines*.

It was like bad kabuki theater. Everyone knew how it would turn out, so nobody thought they needed to study.

This is the gang the couldn't shoot straight.

Not looking good, people, not looking good at all.

^V^

Maybe the G really is breathing down their necks, hard. They know on one hand, pissing them off will mean the end of SL, but pissing the residents off isn't a good idea either. They are cornered.

Heh, no kidding- was just thinking that myself.

but it will have to wait until I recover- when they used the phrase "In the least impactful way possible", my spleen tried to escape and leave the room so it wouldn't have to hear any more "corp-speak".

Ye gods and little fishes, how did they make it through whatever schools they went to?


^V^

They sounded like people who were being very careful *not* to say anything that they might be held to later. Either those are their actual marching orders, or they are completely paranoid and out afraid that their words will come back to bite them.

I was relieved to hear Cyn talk about a much broader announcement of these changes, but I noticed that she neglected to mention *how* they were going to release it- the question mentioned message of the day, and she said "yes", so hopefully she wasn't blowing sunshine up our collective skirts.

^V^

duplicitous

du·plic·i·tous (d-pls-ts, dy-)
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Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.
du·plici·tous·ly adv.
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duplicitous - marked by deliberate deceptiveness especially by pretending one set of feelings and acting under the influence of another; "she was a deceitful scheming little thing"- Israel Zangwill; "a double-dealing double agent"; "a double-faced infernal traitor and schemer"- W.M.Thackeray

double-dealing, double-tongued, two-faced, Janus-faced, double-faced, ambidextrous, deceitful

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I did not say that if they do not advertise that they were not a business. I said that if they try to advertise they will be required to move, possibly requiring verification as well.

Some will choose to try to continue on PG/mature land, but they will be much less efficient. If it is that easy to operate in such a fashion in SL, why do people bother with bots? You seem to be suggesting people do not even need store fronts.. you are implying that they can do good business just standing on virtual street corners sending blind IM's.



You expect a lot of 'titty bars' to continue to exist long term with no ability to advertize in search, and despite the fact that advertising is not the only criteria for being required to move, just the most obvious one?



Not knowing does not justify irrational conclusions. Not knowing only justifies limited conclusions or a lack of conclusions.



It is more than 'because they say so,' though. It is 'because they say so, and they are in a considerably better position to gather data relevant to their decision.' Both sides are making assumptions as to the impact of these changes. LL has more facts on which to base their assumptions. That does not mean they are right, but it does mean their conclusions are better informed, and thus have a greater likelihood of being correct.

It could also mean that they are too close to the issue and have blinded themselves to key aspects..... but that risk applies to both sides.



Which is why I used RL clubs as an example rather than RL adult clubs specificly. The zoning issue with RL clubs is noise... i.e. annoyance factor to their neighbors. I suggest to you that the situations are more similar than you consider them to be.

'This is SL, RL analogies do not apply' only goes so far. If nothing else, itis hypocritical to say on the one hand that this is not RL, it is only ones and zeroes, and on the other hand, to say placing those ones and zeroes in a different pattern affects you. Why is a change in where land is and who can access it a concern if it is 'all just virtual?'

The concept of enforcement costs and the need to find ways to reduce those costs is likewise analogous to RL.



And I have agreed and still agree that they may be liable for costs related to these changes. This is a part of why I agree that they should be providing a lot more support to mitigate those costs.



There is no convenient mechanism to automate separateing PG from Mature though. Separating adult from non-adult can be enforced by way of verification (which is far from perfect, but is still at least partially successful).



Hamstrung assumes that this will fail. That is not a given. It is a given that it will not be a complete success, but partial successes can be enough to reduce costs and/or increase revenues.



If you do not see them as affecting you, then it is easier to accept them being there. Unfortunately large portions of the population are not so sensible, and so far, they seem to be the majority.



If it was that easy, LL would be doing that now. Following that route requires increasingly more manpower, as the SL population increases over time and there are more and more AR's. Any steps that can be automated reduce the enforcement costs.



I would like to know a lot of things, including winning lottery numbers in advance of any given lottery (and to know them legally yet be in a position to benefit from them), but wanting to know them does not really mean much.

{QUOTE=]Let me try to state this clearly. I don't *think* that LL are lying about their figures. I think that they have gathered bad data, and since it supported their preconceptions about what is "normal" for SL, they aren't looking any further.

I think that they are clinging to a faulty, inaccurate sample because it favors their plan and tells them that uprooting that Adult contingent of SL is "no big deal" [/quote]

That is possible, but they have plenty of incentive to run the numbers again. They have little incentive to release them publicly. Even if they did release them publicly, the hypothetical example would still be just as faulty and there would still be no proof of its validity or lack thereof other than the sample itself.



And yet your own opinions are based on limited facts with a base premise that LL's numbers are wrong. Isn't the assumption that they have miscalculated just as unsupported as you are concerned their conclusions might be?



Personally I take it as they are presenting an unpopular plan and have very little skill at PR. The latter is sadly common these days.



You can see gaping potential holes in this, however I get the impression that what you see as holes include the concept that this is all or nothing, that partial success would be insufficient, and that LL has no actual potential gain from this. I do agree that they are mismanaging this though, but am still trying to decide if it is incompetence at PR or a deliberate campaign to throw people off. Blondin's response to the discrepancy in policy between what he had been saying and what Jack said really sounded like doublespeak, deliberate and skilled propoganda.



I disagree there. I consider their mismangement to be getting themselves into a situation where they are generating increasing levels of mistrust, and still are communicating very poorly. Even so, the expectation that they would release the numbers or explain them in any detail is unrealistic. Businesses do not work that way.



Propeganda does not equal fact. It may contain facts but does not equal fact. That potential client should take numbers presented to him with an equal grain of salt. And any sensible investor would spend some time in world, anonymously (i.e. without telling LL) and would pay attention to how many they *really* see there.



The difference is that it depends on which numbers they are using. Personally I think their primary numbers consist of an analysis of AR's and a desire to find ways to reduce the number of such reports. If the number of adult sims is higher than originally estimated, that would mean they represent an increased risk of causing AR's, not a reduced risk, and therefore there would be even more justification for this move. Also a larger number of adult sims means greater strength to the censorship and child protection lobbies, since the larger numbers would be easier for them to represent as a threat.

That would be offset to some extent by the increased disruption factor in having to move more businesses, but the majority of the disruption will likely be temporary.



Unless their initial definitions were a lot less inclusive and really did consist of Jack Linden's 'only extreme content.' However if trying to defend adult content, the lobby against all this may have inadvertaintly convinced LL that they should actually be using a wider definition.

Consider this... what if the goal was to flag based on wider definitions, but due to concerns as to how a wider net would be received, they planned on only extreme content, a much smaller definition. The community responded by declaring 2-4% 'unrealistic.' Aha! say the Lindens, and lo and behold they start testing the upper limit instead of the lower. Now instead of the cautious change of 2-4%, they are seeing just how large a change the community will accept.

If the goal was always as wide a net as possible, then their approach makes sense.

Note that even though Blondin started out asking the community for definitions, he never actually gave LL's definitions. If he had done so, the community might have accepted the 2-4%, much less than is likely to occur now, and less than LL would prefer.

And that, sir, whether an accurate interpretation of events or not, is why companies do not release figures.

And note, since they did actually start at 2-4%, they would not have been trying to swindle anyone. The low figure actually arguably showed respect for the community and presented the position that most would not have to move.



Democracy is generally a bad model to apply to business. It is in the best interests of those on the demand side to reduce the profits of the business, since that means they are better off. It is in the best interests of the business side to increase profits as that means they are better off. It is important for businesses to listen to their customers, but that is not the same as obeying votes.



If the sex workers are successfully discrete both in acquiring and providing service to customers, then the primary goal of hiding them will still have been accomplished, just as in RL via escort agencies, and they would still have an easier time finding customers in Ursula, so they would still have plenty of incentive to move there. Mature and PG land values may drop for a while, but the jury is out on long term effects. If adult content is the only thing keeping land prices up, doesn't that mean that suddenly anyone who was considering building just for the sake of building something that is theirs would now have a reduced up front land cost? Not everyone's imagination requires advertizing and/or open presentation of adult content...



Even if getting off the tour path means abandoning the world outright? Complete loss vs partial loss that may not be as bad as feared?

Actually if you read Marx, workers owning the factories they work in is the core of his ideas. It has been a long time since I read Marx, but I certainly do not recall anything in his writings about workers owning other factories other than the ones they worked in.

/me kicks Tcko out from under the table

Hey! find your own hiding place!

^V^

I guess classic painters like Bouguereau belong in Pornodelphia then . . .

http://www.mezzo-mondo.com/arts/mm/bouguereau/BOW021.html


Persephone

/me hopes you don't. The grid will lose something in your leaving and LL won't even notice.

A few years ago an idea and a dream of a virtual world where every adult could be free to be who they want and to create what they want was made: Your World, Your Imagination

Not everything was perfect, or stable, but it was Our World, Our Imagination apart from the childish games and epeen of other virtual worlds. It was a place where adults got to play dress up, RP and socialize with others of like minded interests. Somewhere we could try to be the next Calvin Klein, Sony, Mercedes, or any countless other famous or infamous business leaders, companies or artists. It was a virtual world where the adults of the world can dream and play free from the grind and daily hassles of everyday life.

Somewhere along the way Linden Lab, You Forgot This.

You forgot that your customers here on the main grid are Adults.
You seem to have forgotten that almost all of everything here was made by your customers.
You gave us a blank canvas, some paints and a few brushes...all of us together painted the world of Second Life.

Blondin, Jack, Cyn, Phil, Marty, Mark, Meta, and even you PIA Frontier all of you are forgetting some very important and fundamental things:
-Many of your customers hold the same degrees as you do.
-Many of us have years of experience doing the same job you do.
-A lot of us have been involved with online activities just as long as you have.
-Almost none of us want to see Linden Lab fail and Second Life and the grid close down.
-Again and repeatedly you forget we are ADULTS

As with any sort of change there will be extremes of opinions, you've seen the posts, the ones that make you roll your eyes and question that poster's sanity and/or reasoning. But for the most part there have been numerous reasonable suggestions and questions about these changes from day one. Yet you still forget we are adults.

The best approach you can take is to be as open an honest as to the motivations behind these changes. What has been stated as your reasons do not match up with what you are saying and doing. Don't forget we are adults, and very few of us are the idiots you seem to be treating us as.

If it is a simple "clean up the grid superficially to attract more customers" then why do so many of the things you aren't going to change remaining in place? Many in the very first places someone gets to as a newbie.

If its not as simple as that open up and give us some credit, we helped build SL, and we can help SL get through these changes, but not if you treat us like children.

Give us the facts as you can, not the embarrassing comments like Meta's "birds in the bush", or Jack's "I haven't heard much of any opposition", we're adults we can take the truth. Its much better than the corporate BS we have been hearing.

If you honestly want our feedback, our concerns, and our ideas on how to make this work within your framework of deadlines and goals start by letting everyone know. Let everyone understand what you want to do, then everyone can help take this to where we all need to go to get it accomplished. With as little negative impact for all and maximum gain for everyone.

All of you at Linden Lab need to get on the same page, what each of you says and said should be reflected in the KB and blogs within a reasonable time frame, days not weeks or months. Having Blondin say one thing, the KB say another and Cyn saying something else entirely isn't instilling any confidence in Linden Lab, quite the opposite it is causing mis-information and borderline hysteria in some cases.

There are serious Issues with the Grid, the current server version and even the client, those should be your first priority, without a working virtual world it doesn't matter what you do for adult verification and content segregation no one will come here.

Let us help you help ourselves have Our World, Our Imagination, after all it was Your World, Your Imagination that started all this. Without us you have no Secondlife, without you we have no Secondlife.

I watched an incredible content creator leave today, I fear many more will go before this is all through.
What do you want Linden Lab? What are you after? Will the cost be too much?

We can help.

Great post Kira! I hope that Linden Labs is still listening.

Just finished listening to the BB recording. I think the Lindens need translators (and likely a lot more time on the boards and/or in world).

One important question for them to clarify, though... is the use of a prescribed word in advertising sufficient for a business to be required to move to Ursula?

The examples of products that might be screened in search included furniture and stilletto heels, but it was not clear that using adult terms to describe either would require a move as opposed to simply filtration from search.

In other words, could a business on mature or PG land advertise such products using words classified 'adult' to advertize to those verified and flagged to be able to search those terms, and advertized using non-adult terms for everyone else and not be required to move?

My understanding is that they would not be required to move, but it is worth clarification.

Similarly, the answer regarding affiliate vendors was not that they would be classified as adult, but that if they are providing the same products and/or services they would be treated the same. If an affilate vendor was using the product they licenced to sell to provide adult services, it would be the services shipping them off to Ursula, not the product. Identical treatment would not neccessarily mean all other vendors of that product would be shipped anywhere, since the 'violation' would not be the product.

Mostly, though I think the question was misunderstood.

Mostly, I think the questionS were misunderstood.

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[9:12] Stroker Serpentine: Hi all ~Smiles~
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[9:12] Lord Sullivan: Hey Stroker
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[9:13] Stroker Serpentine: It's ALL about the "input"
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[9:14] Catriana Ninetails: OK
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[9:14] Catriana Ninetails: so just carefully watching the filter words will safeguard legitimate exhibits?
[9:15] Cyn Linden: yes
[9:15] Aleesa Rearwin: i think LL should work on out TP landings...LOL
[9:15] JP Linden: Catriana Ninetails: Question One: Have we determined yet a way to make sure that legitimate Art Galleries are not being censored or being asked to censor the artists that they host?
[9:15] JP Linden: : Is the word list going to be released for us or do we need to continue to make it available on our wiki at slapt.me?
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[9:16] JP Linden: Phoenix Welles: is the term photorealistic still going to be used to define adult, or is photographic now going to be used when combined with nudity to deine adult? I am asking because photorealistic is still a term used to define art and skins.
[9:16] Catriana Ninetails: It is pretty easy to infer
[9:16] Catriana Ninetails: the list, I mean
[9:16] Aleesa Rearwin: i dotn hear anythig
[9:16] Aleesa Rearwin: anything
[9:17] Phoenix Welles: it's the term itself that is the problem
[9:17] Catherine Linden: I'm recording Aleesa
[9:17] Phoenix Welles: yes
[9:17] Marianne McCann: Would simply "photography" be a clearer word that "photorealistic?"
[9:17] Phoenix Welles: yes marianne
[9:17] Poid Mahovlich: agreed
[9:17] Phoenix Welles: ok
[9:17] Melody Regent: skins often use the word photorealistic to describe them, so that word cant be filtered
[9:17] Phoenix Welles nods
[9:18] DanielRavenNest Noe: Its in the KB6010
[9:18] Lord Sullivan: @Catriana the list is here as we build it http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords
[9:18] Catriana Ninetails: Yeah...anna and I have a copy Lord, lol
[9:18] JP Linden: Marianne McCann: QUESTION: What methods wil be used to revise the list? How often will it be reviewed?
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[9:18] Marianne McCann: word list, in this case
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[9:20] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: Nothing on the Map currently denoting Adult Parcels..will that change? As it pertains to teleporting.
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[9:21] Stroker Serpentine: Kinda
[9:21] Stroker Serpentine: Final in June?
[9:21] JP Linden: Nyteshade Vesperia: How do you expect residents to realistically be able to make intelligent decisions about what terms they can and can't use in their classifieds/Searches if there is no published list? will it not create a whole lot of duplicative work for you having to, on an individual basis, keep addressing the same terms over and over?
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[9:23] DanielRavenNest Noe: Because the list essentially defines whats adult in Linden Labs eyes
[9:23] Phoenix Welles: it's exactly the opposite, there are non-adult uses for some of theose words
[9:23] Catriana Ninetails: There are words that have multiple meanings...
[9:23] Aleesa Rearwin is Online
[9:23] JP Linden: Phoenix Welles: because of the keyword list that will be filtered, will contextual search come into play in time to let people use whatever words they need but in the proper context of adult vs. non?
[9:23] Lord Sullivan: like the tit man
[9:23] Catriana Ninetails: If you are selling a pussy cat, will that end up filtered?
[9:24] Stroker Serpentine: It's all about GAMING classifieds
[9:24] Marianne McCann: (Oops, sent this in IM) Related to list, actual filtered example. One resident (Moseley Sperber, I believe) sells songbird. However, a majority of his birds happen to be "great tit, "marsh tit," etc. These are filtered under the list as sexual.
[9:24] JP Linden: MystressAnna Lovenkraft: Question... If Content sellers are not being asked to move than why are the keyword needed to reach customers being filtered ..i.e. BDSM kinky etc..
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[9:25] Catriana Ninetails: if someone sells BDSM equipment, but does not offer a place to have sex...
[9:25] MystressAnna Lovenkraft: if I make BDSM furniture... how will I find it?
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[9:25] Catriana Ninetails: they cannot advertise effectively
[9:25] Aleesa Rearwin: thank you
[9:25] Melody Regent: If someone sells items that are BDSM, but those are not adult, becuase n ot in USE, then why filter that word when it is a description not a use
[9:25] MystressAnna Lovenkraft: but it filtered
[9:26] Aleesa Rearwin: ty
[9:26] Marianne McCann: MystressAnna: another possible example. Kitchen Korner sells a selection of "gorean food" with their other stuff. It's clearly just, well, good stuff, but I suspect could be filtered as a result.
[9:27] Marianne McCann: food stuff*
[9:27] MystressAnna Lovenkraft: No
[9:27] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: It seems to me most ppl do not understand or know the changes. We want to know if LL is going to do more about making people aware. (MOTD, Dedicated Website/Wiki/Phased deployment w/MOTD...Drop Dead Date)
[9:27] Melody Regent: Very good question
[9:28] Catriana Ninetails: excellent question
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[9:28] JP Linden: Alfa Winger: will estate owners have an opportunity to buy land on the adult continent?
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[9:29] JP Linden: [9:20] DanielRavenNest Noe: The CSI television show, among the most popular in the US, often depicts "Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)", and is rated for age 14 and up. Linden Labs proposes to restrict such to only a small part of the mainland (the Adult areas) for a supposedly over 18 audience.
[9:21] DanielRavenNest Noe: Is this overly restrictive?
[9:30] DanielRavenNest Noe: (Those words are quoted from the adult definition of KB6010
[9:30] DanielRavenNest Noe: )
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[9:30] JP Linden: CheerGirl Allen: Some of my Group members (The Bimbo Cheerleaders) have whats they call a "Fun Alt". For what ever reason, thier MAIN avatar has payment info or is age verified, be it for business or whatever, but They have also created thier "Fun alt" to have use in adult Sims or engage in some sort of mature Roleplay. Must these accounts be Age verified as well, or will Linden Lab provide a way for users to link thier "FUN ALT" to thier main account?
[9:31] DanielRavenNest Noe: Then the definition needs reworking if its not your intent
[9:31] Catriana Ninetails: model alts as well
[9:31] Catriana Ninetails: I have that problem
[9:31] Phoenix Welles: or roleplayers
[9:32] Odessa Olifone gave you Build Your Clientele With Real Girl Escorts.
[9:32] CheerGirl Allen: Yes
[9:32] MystressAnna Lovenkraft: oh good
[9:32] Catriana Ninetails: so we will at some point be able to link all our accounts
[9:32] Catriana Ninetails: YES
[9:32] CheerGirl Allen: these accounts holders are BASIC accounts, will thier tickets be ignored?
[9:32] Phoenix Welles nods
[9:32] Aleesa Rearwin pouts
[9:32] JP Linden: Marianne McCann: Related to list, actual filtered example. One resident (Moseley Sperber, I believe) sells songbird. However, a majority of his birds happen to be "great tit, "marsh tit," etc. These are filtered under the list as sexual.
[9:33] Marianne McCann: Right, exactly
[9:34] Marianne McCann: Mosely pulled them from the search
[9:34] Lord Sullivan: correct Maria
[9:34] JP Linden: CheerGirl Allen: In SexGen Vegas (Private Estate) we know the sim will be flagged as adult, On this estate we have 1 Bot. It's Purpose is to act as an ANTI-Spam bot on the Sim and in the group(s) IM chat, Scanning for and Ejecting Child avatars, Managing Bans, Notices and group invites, Greeting, & Modeling new clothing or a new toy from any of our Designers. When the estate is flagged as adult, how will the bot be Age Verified? or can Linden Lab set up a speciffic BOT STYLE Account type in order for it to continue it's Duties in our region once it is falgged as adult?
[9:35] CheerGirl Allen: ok
[9:35] JP Linden: Lord Sullivan: Why will PG Mature and Adult sims be allowed to be mixed and side by side on private estates so anyone can walk from PG to adult to mature if their verified status allows yet adult becomes a dirty word and seperated on the mainland?
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[9:36] Stroker Serpentine: Ken..Can you elaborate on "Predictible Experience" please!
[9:37] Catriana Ninetails: Do you honestly feel like the average player understands the difference between mainland and private sim?
[9:37] Catriana Ninetails: I didn't unntil I wanted to buy land
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[9:37] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: We would like to know if it is necessary to mark a whole private SIM as adult, or if it will be possible to mark only parcels.
[9:38] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: It seems there will be a definitive impact on the Mainland parcels being relocated to Ursula. 1. Was there a cutoff date for those being relocated (many are buying parcels currently hoping to be moved) Also, since the land sales are already depressed, will there be any incentive for land buyers to purchase these deserted parcels. Do you forsee any detremental economic impact on the land market.
[9:39] Stroker Serpentine: So you can NOW buy with hopes of being moved?
[9:40] JP Linden: Melody Regent: I have been doing an extensive experiment on one of my sims and we turned on age verify only. The process for this is not a good one right now. MANY MANY people have been doing the process to no avail. I have run into people that the website SAYS they have successfully verify but when they come in world they are not. I have alot of differnet things we have learned that are not working.
[9:41] Melody Regent: We did have someone put in Tupacs info and they were verified
[9:41] DanielRavenNest Noe: And Elvis
[9:41] Melody Regent: Ihave offered to show JP
[9:42] Catriana Ninetails: I don't
[9:42] Melody Regent: The wesite SAYS they were verified and still cant get in
[9:42] Melody Regent: NOOOOOOOOOO Payment indo doesnt work right now
[9:42] Melody Regent: oh yes
[9:44] JP Linden: CheerGirl Allen: Part of my business is Hippo's Affiliate vendor packs, at this point I know for a fact there is over well over 250 of my affiliate vendors on the grid mostly in regions currently set to MATURE. The current vendors include items such as BDSM toys and Sexual Pose balls. I have no control what so ever regarding how and where affiliates choose to set up a vendor. how will the new ADULT REGION flag effect all Affiliate Vendors my business currently has on the grid?
[9:44] Stroker Serpentine: The vendor owners would be responsible..yes?
[9:45] CheerGirl Allen: yes
[9:45] Melody Regent: yes
[9:45] Stroker Serpentine: Yes Resellers
[9:45] Melody Regent: it doesnt affect the maker, just the reseller
[9:45] CheerGirl Allen: will my vendors be removed from MATURE regions?
[9:46] CheerGirl Allen: correct
[9:46] Stroker Serpentine: In other words the AFILLIATE will be responsible..not the Content Creator
[9:46] Cyn Linden: Yes
[9:46] JP Linden: [9:39] Lord Sullivan: What are the long term plans for LL since this "Phase 1" is causing so much trouble in world.

What is phase 2? and Phase 3? What is the long term plan?

Can LL tell us what the 5 year plan is for SL.
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[9:48] Stroker Serpentine: Which goes hand in hand with "Why now?..and is there pressure to do this (Gov't, Family Associations) Many are asking this..what is the overal purpose of doing this NOW?
[9:48] JP Linden: [9:39] Melody Regent: Will you be allowing free moves to private estate owners that want to have an adult sim pulled away from a contenant they own?
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[9:50] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether "Payment Used" is sufficient for "Age Verified" is there a current expectation of how this will be implemented? Example: PayPal on record w/SLX
[9:50] Melody Regent: Can a Adult sim and a Mature sim be side by side?
[9:50] Lord Sullivan: yes melody on private estates
[9:50] Cyn Linden: Yes Melody they can
[9:50] Melody Regent: k
[9:51] Stroker Serpentine: Any payment info on file will be accepted?
[9:51] JP Linden: Marianne McCann: Releated to current. I note that I can reach the adult hub location, but cannot go into adult parcels. I am PIOF/PIU not Aristotle. Is this deliberate, or a known bug?
[9:52] Melody Regent: as of today, payment info on file does NOT allow you into an age verify place - so this will be coming?
[9:52] Lord Sullivan: Is verification age or account verification
[9:52] JP Linden: Poid Mahovlich: Question - Will a new TOS need to be signed upon log for all residents due to policy changes?
[9:52] Marianne McCann: (Actually, referring to a parcel next to my home in Shermerville, not in Ursula)
[9:53] JP Linden: Phoenix Welles: because of the keyword list that will be filtered, will contextual search come into play in time to let people use whatever words they need but in the proper context of adult vs. non?
[9:53] Cyn Linden: We'll check it out Marianne, obviously there are still some bugs
[9:53] Cyn Linden: Thanks for letting us know
[9:53] Marianne McCann: Welcome
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[9:53] Phoenix Welles: for instance dungoen is curently filtered, but then castle makers are hurt
[9:54] JP Linden: DanielRavenNest Noe: Will you commit to supplying enough adult mainland to keep reasonable price parity with mature and PG land?
[9:55] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: More details on moving at the mainland would be nice - are we guaranteed the same amount of land we currently have on the mainland? Could there be a wiki on relocation specifically?
[9:56] Stroker Serpentine: Thanks ~Smiles~
[9:56] CheerGirl Allen: does that include size\shape of parcel?
[9:56] Cyn Linden: THanks all!

"Still" listening Vorren? That would imply that they were listening in the first place, instead of just giving lip service to that concept.

I have to say, I worked for FEMA during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and I thought I had seen the ultimate in braindead plans... until now.

I would agree. It makes perfect sense. I think that everyone with an adult sex bed or similar should immediately submit a ticket to move to Ursula. i for one will feel most vulnerable staying on mature land after this change and will be keen to move.

Hans