RC Questions

Two words: "New Coke"

I can't speak for Toyota or Microsoft, but I can for Coca Cola; they are VERY sensitive to what their customers tell them nowadays after the New Coke debacle.

If you have an issue over one of their products or the way it is marketed, give them a call and see how much they are willing to discuss with you, random Joe customer.

Granted, they aren't going to tell you their secret product plans, or anything else the general public is not yet meant to know (unlikely even that the person you are talking to even knows), but you'll get treated like you are the most important customer in the world.

Even still, Coca Cola suffers from mass corporatism so, for some things, you're going to hit that corporate brick wall, and there is nothing you will be able to do about it. However, you're going to be treated FAR better with more consistency than Linden Lab has ever treated anyone.

They might want to look into buying it then - I think it might be a lot cheaper for them in the long run than having a staff continually updating all the keywords...

Yeah, I think most of us assumed that.


OK now THAT is the most sensible thing I have heard in a long while from them - hopefully they will do it with enough warning for people to make whatever plans they feel they need to.

Right, they have to do this, too.

Thanks for reporting on this DRN

Defined and implemented are two different things.

Defined is what I was talking about. Blondin used that list to assess my parcel and found my content is mature but my ads which specifically describe my product to be adult.

The list has not been publicly released nor is it ever likely to be - although we live in hope. Only with the availability of the proposed viewer have the people here been able trawl it trying to find all the words that are used to describe what LL think is adult content.

the list will not be implemented until the viewer is released officially and content separation commences.

Well if they'd followed through on their offer to invite me I could have.

On the slapt.me Wiki, there should be lists of words added to or removed from the filtered list, to document whatever changes are actually made.

There's a big difference between "listening" and "hearing". They may have "heard" us, but they most certainly didn't "listen".

Not when the vast majority of questions asked had no answers, or weren't even acknowledged as questions in the first place.

As it was, it was about 15 minutes after the scheduled start of the meeting before I got the TP. I was online and contacted JP ahead of time that I was available, and it was still a while before I could get there. So much for SL being a business meeting platform, if their own staff can't get people together on time.

Yeah, the pill-popping doctor from Hell.

Please make footnotes if you discover a word has changed:

"Removed from List 11May09"

or

"Added to List 11May09"

Doesn't mean that it is a bad system, either, nor that capitalism is great or bad by itself. They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

The problem is that the ideals are utopian in both; humans in the mix bollocks them up.

Hello?...is anybody OUT there?

Without a doubt we are being watched..but ignored
I'm all for moving the discussions off of SL's forums.....let them wonder why we are becoming silent like they have, maybe they might think they have gone too far taking away our freedoms .....and since some have said the brown bags are worthless...just turn down the next invitation with no explanations....boycott the SL6B....two can play the silence game...but it really doesn't matter does it?
Because they are running this virtual trainwreck and nothing short of a lawsuit can stop them even if a lawyer could.
Like two people in an arguement...one becomes silent ...the other starts thinking ...oh shit ...did I say too much?
The previous thread Blondin came in and no one answered him right away....his response was "where are you guys?"
Anyway my advice is to start making plans, as I have and a few others in here...whether I get the land swap or not I plan on tiering down....and if I'm stuck in a restrictive adult mainland I'll probably tier all the way out of SL and concentrate on my own opensim world I'm building right now...and I will take my friends with me as well and hang around here a little bit too as they will but SL will not get any money from me again ever!
I wont pay for my own demise period!

You can get that info from the history tab on the wiki.

Well, let's just say I never saw so much photorealistic violence.

Actually, they're using a google search appliance, so they do have the technology to do contextual search.

You have absolutely no proof of that. They could have heard, listened, fully comprehended and decided that the idea didn't fit in with their plans.

Ah so a commitment to listen is, in your opinion, also a commitment to answer any question that is asked or to respond to any demands that are made? We obviously have different definitions we are working from...

Where I come from, statements like "I will listen to your concerns" or "I would love some feedback on.." is not in any way a commitment to do anything beyond listening, trying to understand and considering what was said.

There is no evidence that LL has not done this.

Would the wiki ability to track document changes help in that regard or would it be too cumbersome?

Off course, if the list is dynamic on their end, we might want to keep both lists so we could test all of them whenever we wanted. Maybe a perl script and a nightly cron job to test both?

The difference between communism and capitalism is:

In communism the companies becoming first socialized and then ruined.

In capitalism the companies becoming first ruined and then socialized.

I was thinking when someone discovers a word moved off the filtered list, or from the unfiltered list to the filtered, making a note of it for casual readers who don't want to rummage through the page's history all the time.

Hey Everyone.

We're still working on a transcript for today's brown bag meeting, but here is a link where you can listen to the meeting.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/static-secondlife-com/media/mp3/Definitions_BB.mp3

From where I come, listening stands for dialog, negotiations and compromise on a high level.

LL is more or less muted and avoids dialog and compromises.

They are "listening" like an empty shell to the ocean. This is disturbing.

We would like to have an impression, that we talk content to them not only sound. But they treat us, as we were only sound without any content. That is the frustrating part of all this.

Wow, that's quite an extension from the word in the dictionary. I doubt that LL were using this highly creative definition of the word when they said they were listening.

Those have nothing to do with listening. Listening is about being exposed to someone else's opinions and concerns, and maybe asking for clarification if something is not comprehended. It has NOTHING to do with coming up with solutions.

No, sorry Wynochee, that's not what most on this thread are expecting. They are expecting that LL listening is only the first step. They automatically then assume that LL are going to take what they say, and immediately make changes in the plans and product. When they don't, they claim that LL isn't listening to them.

They most certainly cannot do "anything they want", most especially with OUR content.

They try to pull some stunt taking our content and distributing it against our wishes, and they will be named in so many copyright infringement suits, that they will need every lawyer in the state of California to handle the case load.



They are doing it right now. Competition just doesn't "spring up" overnight. Fact is, there are both grids and other worlds opening up which show a lot of promise. Yes, there are trade-offs with all of them, but that's not unexpected or necessarily a bad thing.

The days of SL's dominance in the Virtual World market are most definitely numbered.

Even if they weren't, the fact that they are doing their best to blow their legs completely out from under themselves will ensure that they won't continue to be dominant in anything for much longer.

The statements about art are strange... I remember a Jeff Koons exhibition in Frankfurt/Germany, from his Cicciolina phase... entry was allowed from age 12 on...whole school classes walked through...

In other words: art should not be touched by any sort of censorship.

Art is free. (in western hemisphere)

Whether it is "illegal" or not is for the courts to decide. Anyone threatening legal action just needs to STFU and get on with the filing. Publicized legal threats are meaningless and actually can be detrimental to one's case.

No one here has ever said or even implied that they should have absolute "VETO power" over LL's business decisions, so that's kind of a strawman argument.

What we DO have absolute "VETO power" over is continuing to give them one damn cent, AND providing the content that makes their world worth visiting in the first place.

They can acknowledge that or not; it makes no difference in the end. However, if they care about having 1) money, and 2) content (which drives 1), they better be listening to what we have to say.

Yes, Talarus, you are right. I'm sorry - I was speaking far too broadly.

I feel that this is a very good thing. Right now, LL don't have to compete for market share in Virtual Worlds - they pretty much own the market.

I haven't yet seen one that will a) run on my middling PC, b) have a robust economy, and c) have a large enough user base, but I am watching what others are saying as developments unfold.

I very much look forward to the day when someone else is around that challenges them and makes them step up and improve their product, and customer service. It's going to be a headache for content creators that want to span worlds, but that's probably not totally insurmountable - someone will come up with a utility that takes full perm items owned by you and "translates" them to the format of the other world, I'm sure.