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Actually, if escort clubs are restricted, they will freelance in *any* public place with a lot of live traffic. Like, say, welcome areas .



The non-existence of a JIRA issue *before* this plan was revealed. I don't see any long standing issues with a lot of votes asking to separate or limit adult content, do you?



It's a warning that "you may lose a lot of customers over this". The openspace price increase is the #1 voted on issue, and they did in fact lose 20% of the grid in terms of region count (and that's before the next price jump on 1Jul09)

That may be how you see your/our role in SL. Judging by the way LL are talking to us, they obviously don't share that view in any way, shape or form.

I think this might be the issue at the core, here - the people repeatedly asking LL to come up with justifications, numbers, better looks at their future plans feel that they are in some way business partners with LL and should have as big a say in the direction that SL goes as anyone. LL just see us as users of their product, to be informed of changes when they see fit.

To a degree they have asked the customers - in these threads - asking us to come up with issues in the implementation - some of which they appear to have taken on-board.

Not even sure if this is the right place to talk about it, but not sure where would be better with the SL6B blog closed. And anyway, many of the right people are probably reading here, still. So...

I'm not advocating, just asking: Would Adult content providers benefit by hosting some "fringe festival" to coincide with the SL6B event? Something contiguous, not just a bunch of disjointed landmarks issued from PG booths in SL6B itself?

(I have no idea where such a thing could occur. My land is too small and scattered to contribute anything meaningful to such an event. I guess LL rents out event sims, but I doubt they would be priced practically for this. Kinda doubt they'd let us have Ursula "on loan" for this--although it would be one hell of a good move, for everybody, if they did!)

If they did that without enforcement, though, wouldn't many just ignoring the continent designations and simply set up whereever land is cheapest?



Many adult websites use forms of adult verification and use more than just the usual 'you must be 18 and legally permitted by your country to see this content' disclaimer. As such, I suggest to you that it is more normal than you may think.



Guitars are not an age restricted product RL, nor in SL, nor is their use in performances age restricted in either RL or SL.



I am not sure how a car dealer would take it if a 12 year old tried to buy a car RL, given they could not legally drive it off the lot. Even if it was an adult purchasing, if they did not have a valid driver's licence they may be denied the sale, since they would need that for insurance and/or to be able to drive the car off the lot. If denied, would their rights be considered unreasonably denied? Would you consider them oppressed?

By the way, Chrysler is not quite dead... the autoworker's union are now its minority shareholders. I had to laugh when I heard that. The USA are now actively engaging in communism .

The annoying thing is that they *do* give us a "why" and even invite us to discuss it.

Yet the solution provided matches poorly with the reasons stated, and when somebody questions this mismatch, we get cryptic wordings carefully constructed to skirt the direct question, guidelines "under construction" apparently treated as official, finalized rules internally, and statements that alternative ideas for solutions "do not meet the criteria for the project".

A large part of the anger over the situation (as opposed to the disagreement with the plan) stems from this feeling of being jerked around and made fools of, running around on the stage so LL can tout "Your world, your imagination" since they have now "engaged their passionate user base", in a PR move aimed at "the millions of unheard, potential users".

...and we suckers fall for it every time

Early in the discussions, they tried to ask definitions of 'what is adult' too, and that line of discussion was mostly ignored at the time. So in the end they sort of forced the discussion by implementing a very restrictive set of definitions (the filtering list) and simply watched to see what people complained about the loudest.

If they had moderated the forums better from the beginning and used a FAQ properly they could have reduced the drama considerably.

Yes, its by invitation only. I have no idea who they chose to invite besides myself. I assume because I have been very vocal in the forums and active in building Lord Sullivan's alternate wiki that I got an invite.

I'm annoyed that it will be a voice meeting, since I cannot use voice, and voice does not render a transcript instantly nor allow easy identification of who is speaking.

That's a wonderful idea!

Cynically speaking, it makes a lot of sense to have these meetings be as close as they can get to Mitch Kapor's vision of what SL should be (telepresence conferencing between verified avatars of the RL person). I have this sneaking suspicion that somebody on the invite team would *really* like to make it "humans only" so they could get rid of all these non-serious amateurs who're just clogging up the servers for the businesses.

A little while back, I had an OpenSpace I could have offered for this. But since I committed the grievous offense of using 75% of the prims allowed, and *not* wanting to turn it into a rental business... sadly, it is no more.

It does not have to be a large number of customers, it can simply be people with a lot of money. Examples:

* Simulation: practicing a medical operation or a disaster response, or an auto repair.

* Commercial Real estate: providing walk-through of a building without having to visit it in person, or in the case of something not yet built, at all.

Business meetings have been held up as a use case for SL, but there are lots of other ways to communicate remotely for meetings. Where SL is special is cheap 3D simulation and VR.

Speak to me bubala. I have land and prims to burn.


Persephone

I probably have around 15000sqm and 2500 prims that could be used. My last land purchase was to consolidate all my shops onto the same parcel but all I managed to do was create the mainstore and then this policy appeared and I haven't had the heart to move the rest, so I have rather a lot of land with just a few sculptures on it at the moment.

So with a bit of rejigging it could easily be made available. It will be a bit cosy though, depending on how many people want to display.

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I think that LL are banking on a "bark worse than bite" phenomenon with this - lots of people saying no, but when it comes down to it, most will stay in-world and continue their activities. They may be some that leave but they probably feel that it's not significant enough to disrupt their future direction for SL.

This sort of logic is one I see a lot in my RL job and I don't understand it.

Management sit down with the workforce and say "here's what we want to do, we'd like your feedback and ideas". Employees come up with feedback and ideas and, when exactly those ideas aren't followed, the employees start yelling about how they weren't listened to.

Fact is, LL DID listen to us. I think they still are. They're just not responding to everything and they're not automatically adopting it. That does not necessarily mean that they did not listen.

From Babylon 5:

Commander Ivanova: They understand us. They just aren't answering.

Ranger Marcus: Who knew they were French?

Re: Bark vs Bite: 100% agree. Past history has shown just that. The Residency as a whole keeps staying, playing and paying, no matter how indignant they get over LL's policies and blunders.

I have land in two contiguous regions that can be used -- 22,600 sq m and 4800 prims available in one and 52,000 sq m and 3200 prim in the other next to it, so potentially almost 75k sq m of exhibition area and 8k prims for exhibitors to use.

Plus lots of land and prims in another region if there will be multiple locales for this.


Persephone

To be fair, sometimes there is a management issue due to limited or poor communications. In the case of the current situation in SL, if a FAQ was used properly, with a disclaimer at the top that the answers are not yet final, it would have helped considerably.

Also, if outright opposition to the concept was moved to a different thread by way of active moderation, it could still have been responded to, and the various aspects of this might have been easier to discuss.

Of course that would have meant LL actually having a better budget for this move....

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Originally Posted by Alexander Harbrough
Early in the discussions, they tried to ask definitions of 'what is adult' too, and that line of discussion was mostly ignored at the time. So in the end they sort of forced the discussion by implementing a very restrictive set of definitions (the filtering list) and simply watched to see what people complained about the loudest.


not quite. I had blondin review my parcel in the first few days after this announcement and those words were already on the list.

they've been planning this for the best part of a year. I think what we've seen is what they ultimately want but are prepared to compromise on if the outcome is too expensive for them (giving everyone who wants it a move) or if the resistance is strong (the move timeframe).

All I've seen so far is poor objective and impact analysis and design along with poor pr and customer management. All the hallmarks of LL really.

fine, you win

For this I quote the following nice idea, wich would be perfect from my view too:



Great idea.



The door they can handle like they want. But inside of SL the choices should be voluntary.




Yes, this is not new to me, but I wrote no word about age restrictions, my theme was free choice instead of forced movements.




No.




I hope so! I like communism. The USA missed that part of history. So this is their chance now to try it! Hahaha. By the way: money is the greatest communist ever. It makes all people equal mad and additional it is the greatest equalizer by itself. A newspaper costs the same price for the millionaire and for the tramp and money makes no differences between the payed taxes of the owner of a brothel or the payed taxes of the owner of a 5 star gourmet restaurant. For that I love the communism element of money. (sarcasm)

But hehehe, u c: these ultra-capitalism managers there driving the economy direct into comminism. This is too funny I hope the time will come when a SL-Residents Union will overtake the broken Linden Lab, hahaha Would be fun.

My wife has a broken ankle so she ordered a full season of "House" to occupy her mind while she's resting it. I don't normally watch TV but I ended up watching a few episodes with her over the weekend. Now this show is rated TV-14, so anything they can show on this show should be OK on Mature land, right?

Oh My God.

I did not say they did not have a list before this started, only that they asked for input regarding the list. If the list was fully implemented that early, though, why did it take so long for people to notice? Doesn't that imply that the list was not fully implemented yet?

Also I thought there was a bit more delay on that between posters being asked to help define adult content, and the offer to check out individual parcels. I must have been mistaken in that.

So 10 days and 1385 posts later, not a whisper from a Linden?

Linden Labs does not own most of the content in Second Life. They have a license to it, but it's not an exclusive license. Now... you all know I'm pretty down on Open Life and the like, but Linden Labs can't just do anything they want. If they piss off enough content creators they WILL make OpenLife or some equivalent viable, and content creators in SL *can* take their stuff and walk if they want.

Linden Labs is acting like Microsoft, but if Microsoft was in Linden Labs' position... imagine a situation where all Windows software ran fine on Linux after no more than a recompile, and Microsoft tried to change the rules on Adobe the way Linden Labs changes the rules... I think Narayan would get invited to regular briefings at Redmond.