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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-12-2009 00:05
From: Kara Spengler Would the wiki ability to track document changes help in that regard or would it be too cumbersome?
Off course, if the list is dynamic on their end, we might want to keep both lists so we could test all of them whenever we wanted. Maybe a perl script and a nightly cron job to test both? If someone could do that, it would be great, I don't know enough about web programming to write a dictionary search. Also, while wiki have a built in history mechanism, I would like for unsophisticated readers to be able to see what's been changed. |
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05-12-2009 00:49
maybe a little off topic but, if there are any estate owners here that have 1/4th of a sim that WILL be going Adult, please send me an IM in game as i am looking for one.
my current sim will not be going adult, i have a few sexgens and i would rather be able to use them without having to look over my shoulder all the time. Linden is just too up in the air about estate land and having sex in sex beds, and i dont think it will be aloud on my private estate land even if it is not advertised.
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05-12-2009 00:59
From: Brenda Connolly Maybe the G really is breathing down their necks, hard. They know on one hand, pissing them off will mean the end of SL, but pissing the residents off isn't a good idea either. They are cornered. This is the time that maybe they should be honest with the customer base. We are all adults and none of us I believe want to see SL change beyond recognition or to a degree where it just becomes a 3d chat room. I found the meeting very telling as it seemed they really didn't know where they were heading, lots of umms and ahhs and that was from the lawyers, who normally speak clear and concise and with authority lol. I asked at one point what LL's plans were for phase 2 and 3 and what the 5 year plan was all I got from the answer was predictability. When I directly asked about the flawed Aristotle system all they could reply was well no verification system was 100%, which yes I agree with them but as fatally flawed as Aristotle, well thats a train wreck yet to come imho once the press set up an underage kiddie to verify using incorrect data and then accesses the adult content, that sort of press is not really good for anyone. I feel that if we as the customers knew the real driving force behind these changes then we could at least help work towards some constructive ways to combat the problems as we all love SL in our crazy ways and I believe and said, would hate to see it fail.. @Ciaran I am so sorry I didn't realize that you were not at the meeting as I had the game window covered as I was doing other things and listening to the meeting and just popping back to post questions. Forgive me for not realizing.
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Conspiracy Theory
05-12-2009 01:10
Having read this story I have a theory that seems to explain what's going on:  Here is the theory: What Linden Labs is doing is a *show* to satisfy the government. They will be able to say "Hey look, we moved the porn to this area that only adults can get to, and put a porn filter in our search system". Obviously, they cannot tell us in public that it's only a show. But it does seem to fit their actions and subtle hints, and the proof would be in how they act in the future: - Only moving the most obvious of sex businesses to Ursula - Removing obvious words from search - Putting in stricter community standards Then: - Not caring that verification is easy to get around - Not really enforcing gaming of search terms, or placement of adult content It still will hurt some customers, but this is a "lesser of two evils" situation for them compared to government regulation. I would like to believe this theory, cause it means the Linden staff are not bad guys out to get us. |
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-12-2009 01:25
From: Hypatia Meili It doesn't. I think you have hit on the REAL Major problem behind all the separate smaller ones(some not so small), No one is actually coordinating that what one Linden is doing/saying matches up with what the others are doing/saying. Or at least not successfully. Which I am afraid will lead to very inconsistent results. I'll say it again: So much for a more predictable experience.  Actually, in the Brown Bag whichever Linden was speaking said that Land is the Land team's thing, and they did not want to give out details for them second hand. (another problem with voice meetings is you cant tell who is talking unless you monitor the dots over people's heads) |
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Lord Sullivan
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05-12-2009 01:31
From: DanielRavenNest Noe If someone could do that, it would be great, I don't know enough about web programming to write a dictionary search. Also, while wiki have a built in history mechanism, I would like for unsophisticated readers to be able to see what's been changed. Agreed Daniel and @Kara i can make resources available on our server to run the jobs etc. I just can't set them up myself so I will have to perhaps give you that task 
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05-12-2009 01:49
From: Lord Sullivan @Ciaran I am so sorry I didn't realize that you were not at the meeting as I had the game window covered as I was doing other things and listening to the meeting and just popping back to post questions. Forgive me for not realizing. I'm sooooo not talking to you, after Blondin you get the next frowning of a lifetime! It's ok I figured you were busy, at least you asked some decent questions. |
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05-12-2009 01:52
http://darishaus.com/site/home.htmlFrom: someone Welcome to Dari's Haus End of the Road Written by Darien Caldwell Monday, 11 May 2009 18:14 I know i've said this before, but this time it's absolute. I'm closing Dari's Haus. The true reason behind LL's adult changes has come to light. http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/11/congress-awaits-ftc-report-explicit-content-virtual-worldsNow that the government is stepping in, I'm stepping out. This has become far too much. Much more than I ever signed on for. Attached is all of my items which I hold the rights to, full perms, Public Domain. I do this so those who bought items can ensure they aren't lost to the numerous bugs which plague SL. There are a number of collar designs which I do not hold rights to, I can not give those out full perms. however, The BOxed collar loader is included so that anyone can load in scripts should something occur. As well, people can work toward improving the system after I'm gone. The items will also always be available here, on the plot many know well. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Yurim/235/87/31 There are also unreleased designs in the box, things I never got to finish, Enjoy. P.S. The items will also be available at this 3rd party location. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aneslasleja/62/58/2Please Don't IM me, trying to change my mind. It's done, and over. I am not happy about this, but my own personal life and liberty trump Second Life. that's just how it has to be. I really enjoyed my years here, but I am sorry to say this must come to a close. Everyone enjoy your SL. and Goodbye. I'm quite honestly gobsmacked. We all have a different final straw. I suspect mine will be when I use the new viewer and actually see people's names on the minimap. I'd make some comment about the insanity of LL treating its customer base so badly that it drives people away but the reality is that LL really only see us all as a source of funds and content to be exploited. The adult content sector generates a bad reputation outside of here and they can't exploit our content except peripherally through the money it brings in so they're really not going to miss us. /me shrugs Darien, if you're still dipping in here, I hope you feel that sense of relief at finally getting the monster off your back.
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Ciaran Laval
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05-12-2009 01:57
Well that's Darien's choice, if she's not comfortable with an investigation she's not comfortable but Linden Lab are actually active campaigners for protecting children and sponsor online safety initiatives already, they go beyond what many websites do in many ways and I have no doubt they'll be ok with any investigation even without these upcoming changes.
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05-12-2009 02:04
From: Ciaran Laval I'm sooooo not talking to you, after Blondin you get the next frowning of a lifetime! It's ok I figured you were busy, at least you asked some decent questions. Phew thanks  There were a couple that didn't get answered I think JP gets annoyed as I have the questions ready then paste them all into his IM lol
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05-12-2009 02:13
From: DanielRavenNest Noe Actually, in the Brown Bag whichever Linden was speaking said that Land is the Land team's thing, and they did not want to give out details for them second hand. (another problem with voice meetings is you cant tell who is talking unless you monitor the dots over people's heads) I couldn't wait for the official transcripts to appear so I had a bash at two excerpts that caught my ear - here they are without personal comment from me. Not sure who was speaking on the one about tits, but Cyn was holding forth on the land question. Bear in mind I'm not a stenographer and my spelling is crap. Anything in brackets indicates pauses and stutters.... http://s3.amazonaws.com/static-secondlife-com/media/mp3/Definitions_BB.mp3On the Tits - Question : - One resident (Moseley Sperber, I believe) sells songbird. However, a majority of his birds happen to be "great tit, "marsh tit," etc. These are filtered under the list as sexual. Speaker :- so let me say a word about this because I actually saw this on the jira and it got me to thinking and I actually went to those parcels and I saw the signage and I saw the birds, it;s a great space and he's basically selling birds and garden stuff but in the keywords that he was using or she (stutter) (um) the word tits or tit was not in there, so if the key word the search tags aren't in there and I would guess if your selling gardening stuff and birds your probably not gonna draw a lot of people searching for tits (um) it's not gonna it's not gonna be classified as adult. On Land Purchase Next Question from Stroker ; We would like to know if it is necessary to mark a whole private SIM as adult, or if it will be possible to mark only parcels. Answer - Right now it's not possible to mark only parcels - is that that right Cyn? Cyn: thats correct Follow up from Stroker It seems there will be a definitive impact on the Mainland parcels being relocated to Ursula. 1. Was there a cutoff date for those being relocated (many are buying parcels currently hoping to be moved) Also, since the land sales are already depressed, will there be any incentive for land buyers to purchase these deserted parcels. Do you forsee any detremental economic impact on the land market. Cyn - (um) let's see (aaaaah) I guess I'm not sure if I mind if somebody buys a parcel on the mainland and then gets moved to Ursula (mmmmm) (stutter) you know I don't, I don't foresee having a cut off date right now (em) but I shouldn't probably speak to details on that right now because I know that the (mmmm) harmony and the land team are working very hard on that plan and when that gets public you'll know exactly what they've decided and I don't have my finger on that right this second (mmmm stutters em mmm) + (back ground chatter) I think that people in the course of their business that buy parcels on the mainland and then sell adult content will need move to the new continent (mmmmm stutter) and as far as land reclamation goes that's actually a very strong market and we're seeing quite a bit of good movement there, reclaiming parcels, and connecting them hopefully to (mmm) other areas that are also you know have been abandoned or left in other ways - we get a lot of good results offering them to neighbors sometimes if their interested in those areas and (em) on the auction site, it actually, I don't think it's going to have as significant impact in that way. So (um) I know that Jack and the land team have done a very thorough analysis of how they expect that will probably work, and they are very comfortable - so I think we're probably fine..... ======================================================= Can anyone make sense of any of that ???? If you can please share ^L^
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05-12-2009 02:20
Sure..."land reclamation," "we're fine," "reclaiming parcels," "abandoned..." etc.: LL is doing fine as we abandon our useless land. She perhaps was trying to find a way to state that...delicately. 
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-12-2009 02:33
From: Lasher Oh I couldn't wait for the official transcripts to appear so I had a bash at two excerpts that caught my ear - here they are without personal comment from me. Not sure who was speaking on the one about tits, but Cyn was holding forth on the land question. Bear in mind I'm not a stenographer and my spelling is crap. Anything in brackets indicates pauses and stutters....
Can anyone make sense of any of that ???? If you can please share [I will try] On the Tits - Question : - One resident (Moseley Sperber, I believe) sells songbird. However, a majority of his birds happen to be "great tit, "marsh tit," etc. These are filtered under the list as sexual. Speaker :- so let me say a word about this because I actually saw this on the jira and it got me to thinking and I actually went to those parcels and I saw the signage and I saw the birds, it;s a great space and he's basically selling birds and garden stuff but in the keywords that he was using or she (stutter) (um) the word tits or tit was not in there, so if the key word the search tags aren't in there and I would guess if your selling gardening stuff and birds your probably not gonna draw a lot of people searching for tits (um) it's not gonna it's not gonna be classified as adult. [I'm guesseing Mosely removed tits from his search entry] On Land Purchase Next Question from Stroker ; We would like to know if it is necessary to mark a whole private SIM as adult, or if it will be possible to mark only parcels. Answer - Right now it's not possible to mark only parcels - is that that right Cyn? Cyn: thats correct [That's pretty clear] Follow up from Stroker It seems there will be a definitive impact on the Mainland parcels being relocated to Ursula. 1. Was there a cutoff date for those being relocated (many are buying parcels currently hoping to be moved) Also, since the land sales are already depressed, will there be any incentive for land buyers to purchase these deserted parcels. Do you forsee any detremental economic impact on the land market. Cyn - (um) let's see (aaaaah) I guess I'm not sure if I mind if somebody buys a parcel on the mainland and then gets moved to Ursula (mmmmm) (stutter) you know I don't, I don't foresee having a cut off date right now... [I don't know if that is a cutoff on when your Mature parcel had previously exisiting adult content, or when ticket submission to move will be cut off] (em) but I shouldn't probably speak to details on that right now because I know that the (mmmm) harmony and the land team are working very hard on that plan and when that gets public you'll know exactly what they've decided and I don't have my finger on that right this second (mmmm stutters em mmm) + (back ground chatter) [Then you should shut up Cyn, cause we *are* quite capable of quoting you out of context] I think that people in the course of their business that buy parcels on the mainland and then sell adult content will need move to the new continent (mmmmm stutter) and as far as land reclamation goes that's actually a very strong market and we're seeing quite a bit of good movement there, reclaiming parcels, and connecting them hopefully to (mmm) other areas that are also you know have been abandoned or left in other ways - we get a lot of good results offering them to neighbors sometimes if their interested in those areas and (em) on the auction site, it actually, I don't think it's going to have as significant impact in that way. [I read that as: Holes will be created after people move to Ursula, but we think someone will buy them] So (um) I know that Jack and the land team have done a very thorough analysis of how they expect that will probably work, and they are very comfortable - so I think we're probably fine..... |
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05-12-2009 03:06
http://darishaus.com/site/home.htmlFrom: someone Quote: Welcome to Dari's Haus End of the Road Written by Darien Caldwell Monday, 11 May 2009 18:14 I know i've said this before, but this time it's absolute. I'm closing Dari's Haus. The true reason behind LL's adult changes has come to light. http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/05/11/congress-awaits-ftc-report-explicit-content-virtual-worldsNow that the government is stepping in, I'm stepping out. This has become far too much. Much more than I ever signed on for. Attached is all of my items which I hold the rights to, full perms, Public Domain. I do this so those who bought items can ensure they aren't lost to the numerous bugs which plague SL. There are a number of collar designs which I do not hold rights to, I can not give those out full perms. however, The BOxed collar loader is included so that anyone can load in scripts should something occur. As well, people can work toward improving the system after I'm gone. The items will also always be available here, on the plot many know well. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Yurim/235/87/31There are also unreleased designs in the box, things I never got to finish, Enjoy. P.S. The items will also be available at this 3rd party location. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aneslasleja/62/58/2Please Don't IM me, trying to change my mind. It's done, and over. I am not happy about this, but my own personal life and liberty trump Second Life. that's just how it has to be. I really enjoyed my years here, but I am sorry to say this must come to a close. Everyone enjoy your SL. and Goodbye. Hey Darien, in case you take a peek: Hmmm. Maybe peek sometimes, to see what is going on in forums and on the grid. Or hold a basic ava, to watch the situation on the grid sometimes along the year(s). Me is from that country which had a wall through it's middle, 28 years long. U c, wall is down and gone since 1989. There was no way to stop the stupid building in 1961, but: Sometimes it needs to have something established before, - for example a wall -, or whatever restrictions, to be able as dissidents to start to find the real cracks, holes and leaks to tear it down again. At the moment is all hot air, all is in progress, no one knows exact what is going on and why and how it will be in result. As we've heard again (brown bag) even Linden Lab is stumbling through the fog of their own "ideas". A government will lose interest in SL sooner or later again. History is on high speed and a thing like SL is the very last and the very unimportant thing on earth which could be able to stay in permanent focus of a government. Much, much, mucho, many, many bigger themes are in front. The usual wars, recession, the global natural environment problems, blablabla. I mean, well, your step is *your* decision - but if you peek, or *if* you hold a basic free "spy"-ava in game, hehehe , then safe now maybe the money which you would have given for tier fees etc., and what do we know? *Maybe* LL fails dramaticaly epic, or we win, or a sort of compromise appears on horizon, or whatever - and then you can move in again. We never know. Such things like censorship and repressions are coming in waves. The thrill and the freedom is gone for now, maybe, but that comes and goes and comes like bad or good weather, if we look back some thousands of years. SL is fast by nature and pulsating by people. Things can change all quarters of a year in this or that direction. So maybe stay sometimes in kind of satellite-position, observe the scene. In worst case some will follow your path and leaving too, hehehe, but in best case you will come back T c And to the *Lindens*: you see what happens with your customers - more and more. Would it not be high-time to build a round table with representants of different interest groups and talking open as sovereigns and creating some smart and wise decisions together? Hm? We are all for a growing, cosmopolitan and integrative SL where is room for all possible interests and safety. There are sure better technical, legal and social ways to do that with success and happy customers in result, don't you think so?
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email I just sent Blondin, can people at his OH hold his feet to the fire to answer?
05-12-2009 03:56
Because he seems to be ignoring us on the forums and cherrypicking the questions at his OH. I have asked questions near the start of the OH, then repeated them when I heard him answering questions after mine. ------ begin email ----- It has been obvious to many of us for some time now that the adult content changes are most likely due to outside pressure. The imminent FTC report (with language that smells like Kirk is involved) only makes our suspicions stronger. There are only two possibilities. Simple question, which one is right? (a) This is coming from the outside. This makes MUCH more sense as it looks like something someone did by insisting on an unworkable solution rather than starting with a premise and knowledge of what would and would not work. If this answer is the correct one, can you please explain why you have insisted on covering for them? OR (b) This is coming from the inside. Which means LL is *much* more incompetent than we give them credit for. Even a cursory look at this proposal by anyone slightly familiar with Second Life can see the huge flaws in this. A nice simple binary question, (a) or (b) (or also (c) if can you come up with a third answer). Please do not ignore the sub-question if it is (a) though. If You keep stating it is (b), but what does that say to the potential customers you want to woo? *HUGS* & Bright Blessings, Kara "With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably." -- Picard, ST:TNG, quoting a fictional judge, "The Drumhead" ---- end email ---- I just LOVE the appropriateness of the quote my sig line picked!
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05-12-2009 04:06
From: Couldbe Yue
We all have a different final straw. I suspect mine will be when I use the new viewer and actually see people's names on the minimap.
People already have the ability to scan and set up avatar radars like that. All this does is keep people from running some of the badly-written high-lag radars to get the same information. |
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05-12-2009 04:09
From: Phoenix Nohkan
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You misspelled "paid special-interest lobbyists" there. Hope that helps. |
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05-12-2009 04:12
From: Valerius Constantine JUst finished listening to it myself- For the being the ones in charge of this plan, they sure don't know much do they?
Every other answer was "I don't understand the question". "or "I don't know what that is."
and the fumbling, trembling voices- the throat clearing, the "ummmm" ing- all indicative of people who aren't prepared - haven't done their homework, don't know their *lines*. So basically having it on voice instead of text wasn't just a bad idea for us, it was a bad idea for THEM as well? |
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05-12-2009 04:15
From: Alexander Harbrough
One important question for them to clarify, though... is the use of a prescribed word in advertising sufficient for a business to be required to move to Ursula?
That's hard-coded. If you're not on adult land you won't be able to PUT a proscribed word in search or classifieds. |
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05-12-2009 04:32
From: Argent Stonecutter You misspelled "paid special-interest lobbyists" there. Hope that helps. Well, not always. I just came from being a citizen lobbyist there on another issue and no pay was involved (work harder there than in my usual job actually and I used up vacation time to do it).
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05-12-2009 04:44
From: Kira Welty A few years ago an idea and a dream of a virtual world where every adult could be free to be who they want and to create what they want was made: Your World, Your Imagination
Not everything was perfect, or stable, but it was Our World, Our Imagination apart from the childish games and epeen of other virtual worlds. It was a place where adults got to play dress up, RP and socialize with others of like minded interests. Somewhere we could try to be the next Calvin Klein, Sony, Mercedes, or any countless other famous or infamous business leaders, companies or artists. It was a virtual world where the adults of the world can dream and play free from the grind and daily hassles of everyday life.
Somewhere along the way Linden Lab, You Forgot This.
You forgot that your customers here on the main grid are Adults.
You seem to have forgotten that almost all of everything here was made by your customers.
You gave us a blank canvas, some paints and a few brushes...all of us together painted the world of Second Life.
Blondin, Jack, Cyn, Phil, Marty, Mark, Meta, and even you PIA Frontier all of you are forgetting some very important and fundamental things:
-Many of your customers hold the same degrees as you do.
-Many of us have years of experience doing the same job you do.
-A lot of us have been involved with online activities just as long as you have.
-Almost none of us want to see Linden Lab fail and Second Life and the grid close down.
-Again and repeatedly you forget we are ADULTS
As with any sort of change there will be extremes of opinions, you've seen the posts, the ones that make you roll your eyes and question that poster's sanity and/or reasoning. But for the most part there have been numerous reasonable suggestions and questions about these changes from day one. Yet you still forget we are adults.
The best approach you can take is to be as open an honest as to the motivations behind these changes. What has been stated as your reasons do not match up with what you are saying and doing. Don't forget we are adults, and very few of us are the idiots you seem to be treating us as.
If it is a simple "clean up the grid superficially to attract more customers" then why do so many of the things you aren't going to change remaining in place? Many in the very first places someone gets to as a newbie.
If its not as simple as that open up and give us some credit, we helped build SL, and we can help SL get through these changes, but not if you treat us like children.
Give us the facts as you can, not the embarrassing comments like Meta's "birds in the bush", or Jack's "I haven't heard much of any opposition", we're adults we can take the truth. Its much better than the corporate BS we have been hearing.
If you honestly want our feedback, our concerns, and our ideas on how to make this work within your framework of deadlines and goals start by letting everyone know. Let everyone understand what you want to do, then everyone can help take this to where we all need to go to get it accomplished. With as little negative impact for all and maximum gain for everyone.
All of you at Linden Lab need to get on the same page, what each of you says and said should be reflected in the KB and blogs within a reasonable time frame, days not weeks or months. Having Blondin say one thing, the KB say another and Cyn saying something else entirely isn't instilling any confidence in Linden Lab, quite the opposite it is causing mis-information and borderline hysteria in some cases.
There are serious Issues with the Grid, the current server version and even the client, those should be your first priority, without a working virtual world it doesn't matter what you do for adult verification and content segregation no one will come here.
Let us help you help ourselves have Our World, Our Imagination, after all it was Your World, Your Imagination that started all this. Without us you have no Secondlife, without you we have no Secondlife.
I watched an incredible content creator leave today, I fear many more will go before this is all through.
What do you want Linden Lab? What are you after? Will the cost be too much?
We can help. Kira, this is a great open letter. Have you sent it to M, Jack, Cyn & Co, or would you consider doing so? If you would, I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in being happy to add my name to a postscript in support - rather like a petition, really. Or maybe you could send it, and we could all IM our support - no, wait, their IMs would get capped! Seriously, hands up if you'd be prepared to be a signatory to this. |
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05-12-2009 04:47
From: Argent Stonecutter People already have the ability to scan and set up avatar radars like that. All this does is keep people from running some of the badly-written high-lag radars to get the same information. I'm very well aware of this and have never been happy about it. There are still too many bottom of the barrel sociopaths in sl for my taste but I'm resigned to the scripts. There is no reason to include this feature. Except LL really doesn't like the concept of any kind of personal privacy or space. Even now I'm surprised that they ever removed mapping because it flies in the face of their stupid, crap, bullshit beliefs and I'm sorry if I don't believe in making life easier for the pond scum. as you can see. that's probably my straw.
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05-12-2009 05:11
From: Couldbe Yue I'm very well aware of this and have never been happy about it. There are still too many bottom of the barrel sociopaths in sl for my taste but I'm resigned to the scripts. One of my oldest products is an avatar radar. It's not a laggy one, but I created it because I needed it, because of the limitations in SL make it so hard to tell who's around you. You can't just glance to the side and see people and recognize them at anything like the distance you can in RL. Name tags fade out too quickly, people don't have distinctive postures and ways of moving, many people think nothing of changing their shape, size, hair color, race, species, and gender and then get upset when you don't recognize them. From: someone Even now I'm surprised that they ever removed mapping They didn't remove it, they just fucked up everyone who wanted people to be able to find them... like me. It took me three half-hour sessions to go through my friends list and turn on "find on map" for all of them because it kept timing out and losing my changes. Taking off mapping didn't provide any kind of meaningful *privacy* because anyone who knows me can find me in-world most of the time in three guesses... and the rest of the time mapping won't help because by the time they've teleported to me I'm three sims away. Doing something about privacy would have meant allowing me to log in without showing up on the IM system at all. Anyway, back to the point. Being able to hover over a green dot three hundred feet away and see who it is is no more a privacy violation than being able to look down a crowded mall and recognize someone you know from hundreds of cues that don't exist in second life. |
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05-12-2009 05:13
From: Waterstar Eilde Kira, this is a great open letter. Have you sent it to M, Jack, Cyn & Co, or would you consider doing so? If you would, I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in being happy to add my name to a postscript in support - rather like a petition, really.
Or maybe you could send it, and we could all IM our support - no, wait, their IMs would get capped!
Seriously, hands up if you'd be prepared to be a signatory to this. You can add my name to the list
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05-12-2009 05:35
I said : Seriously, hands up if you'd be prepared to be a signatory to this (Kira's open letter) From: Lord Sullivan You can add my name to the list Excellent, that's a great start! Hopefully, many more will feel the same way, and if Kira doesn't see this here, time differences being what they are, I'll IM her inworld. It may only be a small drop in the ocean of protest, but well-expressed argument and a genuine offer to help has to be worth something. |