Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Volenti non fit iniuria
"A person who consents does not suffer injustice"

this way there is no need to debate adult content issue, etc.

Here is your Vogon Poem from BBC Cult to couldbe yue

See, see the old sky
Marvel at its big yellow depths.
Tell me, the forum posters do you
Wonder why the toad ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel tired.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your aarrghyouknow facial growth
That looks like
A cheese.
What's more, it knows
Your linden labs potting shed
Smells of linden labs.
Everything under the big old sky
Asks why, why do you even bother?
You only charm linden labss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/vogonpoetry/lettergen.shtml

"There is a rumor on the Internets"

I can laugh )) lol

"Your object 'Brain' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder from your parcel 128, -9 because it went off-world."

In some ways, this may be a blessing in disguise when LL sank so much of their resources into coding the Adult content changes, I'm sure it slowed them down for at least a year so Open Sim can now catch up as a viable competitor soon.

I'm sure OS can find some ways to work out the IP protection on Open Grid. It's not that hard to use standard encryption with a public key on the server and a private key by the user to encrypt the inventory.

In fact, encryption key technology is so much more robust and distributable than relying on a central player like LL to guard it for you. You will retain all your IP rights even if LL is sold to someone else if your inventory is encrypted.

I am wondering if LL has opened itself up to class action suits by those affected by their ill conceived changes to Second Life regarding adult content. As a dancer/stripper, my income creation ability will be adversely affected, get another SL job? If one looks, very few are available. I have experience in the field, love dancing and enjoy the friendships formed with coworkers.

Should class action suits be launched, I believe the dancers of SL who lose their incomes will be amoung those who seek compensation for losses as well as an apology from LL for having classified us as something that needs to be hidden and eliminated.

I'm still trying to catch up with this runaway thread, but I thought I'd throw a thought into the mix.

Once people have filed requests for land swaps, try looking at the map and see if there are any blocks of sims where all or most of the inhabitants filed requests to move. In those situations I would suggest altering the geography of Ursula such that you could take those mainland sims, move them to the new continent, and replace the holes that were formed in the old continent with new sims, terraformed the same as the old sims, replacing any required linden infrastructure as required. This would also give you a chance to reevaluate the zoning of the sims in question, possibly forming larger blocks of PG land on the mainland.

--Ariel

1 to get into adult sims after the great change or disaster pay jsut 1l for something in a freebie shop and you are PIOF.

2 make sure all adult checkboxes are clicked yes, this will show them up pretty much as they show up now on search and wont harm their bussiness. and support the adult shops and economies.

3 errm Maybe it won't be so terrible after all? Ok thats wishful thinking.

its not going to be easy,

1.Verification is going to be difficult if you live in another country beside usa or Canada

2, Non verified people will not be able to enter adult land so adult land venues will miss out on revenue.

3, Sim owners will not be able to provide adult land or will have to go totally adult so they will miss out on renters.

4, because of the new Ursula continent private land will become even more plentiful thus driving the price of private land downeven further.

These are just my concerns, other people have different concerns which will impact them.

And then we have the merger of the teengrid in the shadows, and the general untrustworthiness of LL, who could change the rules at any time and have done it time and time again.

what hope is there for SL?

zero i think.

Take your own advice.

Since appearantly noone minds the thread straying off topic until Blondin gets back, I'll answer that...

It is not that I have no interest. It is more that I am uncertain how much to commit to or request involvement in any given sim at the momment due to RL issues (work and personal). I have not done a lot in world, but I have not done 'nothing' either. Checked out a few sims, various shops, gathered some interesting ideas and some interesting freebies (my favourite is a pirate kitty flashlight, lol) and landmarked a few shops and places I would be interesting in becoming involved in and/or spending money at if I do become more involved....

I thought they said PIOF was enough to be marked as adult if not thats ruined that being as i live in europe. Oh OH jsut remembered in europe they ask for our passport info as proof verification, so I think the europeans get covered that way. is that so? I think so anyway sorry to ramble on.

It's been a while since I've used the search features in this board. Is there some simple way to display all the Official Linden replies on a page? I cant seem to remember where that is.

Having spent an un godly amount of time trying to read this thread, and the parent threads, I am impressed by the huge amount of whining and fear-mongering. While I agree that such strong-handed manipulation of the population is a frightening and humiliating process, I have to note that the result is always the same. Many people shout and scream, then a few leave, many thrash around socially and form some sort of temporary protest, and most go about their business with a grumpy attitude. In the end, you go where you're told. Maybe because you do really try to accomplish anything but self-gratifying chest thumping, or maybe because it wasn't that deadly a change in the first place.

There have been several changes like this in the history of Second Life, and the pattern remains the same.

The Company will listen to most of the whinging, and try their best to minimize the short term effects on the population. They really aren't all that interested in reinventing their business plans. The only way you'll ever be able to force the Company to change what is clearly a sensible business move is to give them reason to factor in your individual inconveniences.

As some of the old-timers have heard me say before, there is no way you'll be able to determine the business plans of Linden Lab without gaining a seat at the table while these plans are made. And the only way to do that is through some sort of permanent collective bargaining. You can do that through some sort of self-governance, or through some sort of unionization.

However, taking control of their own future seems to scare most residents more than being shuffled off to the ghetto. (Where have we seen this model before?) So, you generate hundreds of pages of anger and fear, and then go about your business. Those of you with good ideas never have enough support and voice to put them above the din. Most of you care enough to complain, but not enough to take control of your fate.

If you want to have some sort of control over your Second Life, then step up and get organized. Otherwise, try to keep the moaning down enough that those with ideas can be heard - or at least enough that someone can read the damn thread.

Live Free or Scram.


LINDENS: What do I have to do or sell on my land to guarantee relocation. I'm looking for an acre on the new continent but I dont feel like going through the selling-shopping-buying process. I've marked my land as Adult Content. I'd be willing to put up a sign advertising cheap oral gratification, if that would help. Room for any more beta testers?



Kathy Yamamoto

Interesting read (2nd Apr)

From that interview....the deal is done with the Adult segregation


http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/apr/02/second-life-mark-kingdon

All the answers are from Blondin Linden. Search for posts by him in this forum.

Yes, as a "Late Arrival" to this discussion, I've made a good faith attempt to read 147 postings on this subject about the new "adult" continent, and a myriad of postings about the land-swap thing and all ....

I still feel that before *anyone* moves, there needs to be a clear definition of which types of behavior or content/objects fall in the category of "adult" as opposed to simply "mature" ..

I wish to have land and a home where common sense applies, i.e. my friends and I don't go running around outdoors nakies, and lovemaking is done indoors. Yes, I'm kinky and that is reserved for indoors as well.

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Thought #1:

Define the difference between "Mature" and "Adult" as whether other residents, not part of an activity going on, are exposed to it when it occurs outdoors on private land, or in public areas of a region ????
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Thought #2:

Camera view be restricted/disabled for residents who are not "age-verified" so that non age-verified residents cannot view inside structures in order to view the activities of others. i.e. non-age verified residents have a viewer with reduced functionality. Full functionality only available to age-verified residents ....
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Thought #3:

The people who really should "move" are all residents who are NOT age-verified.

Non-age verified residents would be banned from PG, Mature, and adult areas of SL, and would relocate to a different category of continent defined as "G-rated" ..

PG means "parental guidance" i.e. it is NOT G-rated by any means ....

Perhaps this thought would impact the entire SL universe much less than moving one segment of the adult population to a new continent from the other segment of the adult population.

Would this idea be more acceptable to everyone ???
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An analogy to the current SecondLife predicament:

Yes, I'm aware of the huge amount of discussion around this topic, however the entire issue is similar to the American FCC guidelines about "indecency" in broadcast media content.

One very valid position is that the entire radio broadcast spectrum not be defined as meeting the requirements to make all of it safe for 12-year old children, hence the definition of "safe harbor" hours of 11pm to 6am for adult-oriented content that is not meant for 12-year olds.

Safe Harbor represents approximately 1/3rd of the available broadcast day, with 2/3rds reserved for 12-year old-compliant content, though cable and satellite broadcasting is exempt from most of these restrictions...


Marlena Poliatevska

absolutely true- because a person who consents to injustice deserves *everything* that happens to them, no?

-V-

Wow, bloodninja really loses at life.... Epic Fail!

Are you serious???

The very fact that you would even ask such questions shows that you really don't get out much - that you don't pay much attention to news media and political discussion!

Not necessarily, unless I'm misunderstanding the S3 reference. The release candidate viewers are stored there, as seen in this link: http://release-candidate-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/SecondLife-i686-1.22.11.113976.tar.bz2

Now that this thread has been successfully Godwined, can we please return to the topic at hand? Arguing the comparison of different political systems and why unscrupulous capitalist companies set up sweatshops in slave-labour countries is NOT relevant to the problems with segregating adult content in Second Life and using faulty systems to verify one's age and eligibility to view said content.

in theory he'll be back in here in a few hours looking for more questions to answer..

I have been invited to the next brown bag meeting on the above date. I have asked a few people here for some input as JP asked in his email to me if there were any questions to be discussed i could send them in advance. Therefore i have sent the following email to him and will also bring them up again at the meeting if no answers are forthcoming.

Sorry if i didn't ask everyone but i tried in a hard situation to put across a few good points ( I hope ) that are representative of the questions being asked here. I am sorry I maybe cannot ask every question that is being asked here though as the meeting would never end lol

I will try and act as a good representative to you all and bring the answers back to the forum as soon after the meeting as i can

Ok to continue with my line of thought, will PIOF be enough on its own for europeans or will we have to age varify some other way? I know they use european passport information but are these two things enough to give people from europe access to Adult content should they choose to view it or is something else going to be implimented for European users closer to the time this happens?

I don't think your wording of 4 clarifies the issues here for them. Their response will be that account verified will be able to access the adult continent.

The real question is when are they going to bring in age verification requirements for the adult continent? We're all aware of the difference between the two verifications and the final merge between the two grids really will need adult verification in place prior to it happening. As the lower ranks still keep denying it, despite what M and Philip say, we're not likely to get a projected delivery date for this.

But it is coming and there will have to be age verification in place.

I have no intention of using Aristotle to age verify. It's pointless for me to move to the adult continent only to find a few months later I can't even get onto my land. At that stage we can run around going "we're doomed" simply because that means around 80ish% of the population will be excluded (I'm a assuming a 20% take up rate for age verification)

I'm quite prepared to believe this will be another one of those poorly implemented solutions that you can drive a truck through the holes (leaving XSL as it is a case in point - laughable) but with everything else in place, slapping the age requirement on will be a doddle - even they won't be able to cock it up.

So that's why I'm interested in the intended date for the implementation of age verification for entry to the adult continent and the land buyback.

If the gap between the two is too close then I'll just pack it all in now.

I will change the question in the notecard to reflect that thanks