Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I haven't said it's necessary, that's not for me to say. I'm just trying to help your understanding of what I think people are likely to expect.

Please cite this. I haven't seen anywhere where this is said, outside of you.



Yes, let's quote the Act:





Only if you take it to be completely open-ended. That's not typical of the way laws (at least good ones that don't get nuked by Appeals Courts for being "overly broad" are written. It doesn't mean "anything else", it means "anything else in the vein of what came before". IE, a t-shirt with child pornography on it. A billboard, a crop circle. It doesn't change the mode of the law.

Now, it *IS* inclusive of SL if people take real pictures of kids involved in sex acts, upload them to SL, and display them as "art" on their walls. However, that is covered by the "computer-manipulated image" and/or "digital image" items, not the "or other matter".

In the end, you have to keep the "or other matter" constrained to the rest of the point of the law; IE, REAL minors depicted in sex acts. I don't see how the law could possibly be stretched to include a minor playing an avatar at a sex club, since no real (or even simulated) sex is going on, and the minor is not depicted in any realistic way.

I mean, does the act address phone sex or sexting? If not, then I find it hard to accept that SL would fall under its sway.

The point, which I will reiterate again, is the EMPLOYMENT of minors to PERFORM in pornographic situations. Real ones, or even simulated ones where it comes VERY close to being "the real thing". SL is none of that. It's a cartoon. An interactive cartoon, but still a cartoon.



No, but it DOES stipulate to "actual human being" in several places. Avatars having sex is not real sex, or even simulated real sex. It's not even sex at all. Thus, a minor cannot be having sex via SL, unless the simple thought of having sex is actionable as "real sex". When where the Act outlaws "thought crimes", please let me know.



Uhh, dude, I've been reading the law and keeping up with its changes for a LONG time. This isn't my first dance. >.>

lived in is a good term for a profile. Perhaps if you'd actually ventured out into the world during your time in there you might have noticed. So what did you do during your time inworld? obviously not a lot.

Why join sl at all if you have no interest? being so completely withdrawn means you haven't engaged with any of the aspects of sl.

Even my scripter - who has been inworld for over 30 months now and still wears the gothic newbie outfit he was born with (right down to those playboy looking boots *me rolls my eyes heavenwards*) has a profile pic, a couple of picks, lots of groups he's interested in, goes to various classes and sims of interest although the only person he will talk to is me.

Tangential to the point quoted.

Even as an adult, I am no more a "performer" (as used in the statute) when I play SL than I am when I watch the REAL "performers" on TV. My avatar is not me. I am not there. My virtual body movements and expressions are not representative of my RL body movements and expressions.

Actual "performers" in pornographic media are there; their actual, real bodies are interacting, or coming so close to it that they might as well be.

SL and RL are not the same in this regard.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this.

Actually you may have gotten me to disprove my own position. The official government version of the act (including the amendment) places 'actual human being' much later in the list such that everything applies to that qualifier. This is different than the copy of the amendment I have been reading, which makes me wonder if the wording was changed as a result of the court challenges or if the copy I had been referencing earlier is mistyped.

Interestingly though, I cannot find a legal definition of 'actual human being' anywhere.

I cast Level 8 "Chicken of the Infinite"!

Oh gads.. I am cryin' here.

Are you assuming he's trying to solve something here? Seemed to me that he was just arguing for the sake of arguing..

Try asking Clinton.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Well, I wasn't sure, so I drew a line in the sand to see for myself.

Without taking any particular side in this debate, since my opinion is as worthless as anyones who isnt a lawyer licensed to practice in either CA or federal courts, the two jurisdictions applicable to LL....

Lets not dismiss the value of debate for debates sake. If approached in an openminded manner it can illuminate a lot about ones own thinking from the light that anothers viewpoints shines on it. Alex has demonstrated that he is prepared to re-evaluate his thinking based on the arguments and their merit, thats a refreshing change from trolls like Nany and Bomber.

Regarding Bomber, he/she/it is either an alt, and therefore suspect since theres no reason to contribute to a debate like this from anything but your main account, or somebody who created a SL account but never used it much, in which case the value of the opinions expressed by this individual is self-evident.

Theres no other reason to have an account created nearly a year ago that completely blank, apart from malicious intent.

Lol

If you can tell who and where I am based on my profile, then more power to you. Your argument, though valid in its own context, is just a red herring in this context.

If it looks like a troll, acts like a troll, and smells like a troll, then it is far more likely to *be* a troll rather than some poor, sensitive soul concerned about revealing too much about themselves in the profile of a throwaway alt.

Some of us have been trawling message boards like this for quite a long time, and have even faced trial by fire on the Usenet, so we're quite experienced in identifying and dispatching trolls. If you're ever in doubt, just stand back and let us do our thing.

I've only just seen this...

lol classic

That's almost as bad as Ivanova's "doing it human style" with the Lumanti ambassador in B5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8mZkEcKTA

I heard there is a Chinese version of SL. Why don't we all move there? Listen guys if they dont like us and they want us to move..let's do them a favor and move out..but out of the Linden Regime. I propose that everyone who need to move or flag themselves, go out of SL to somewhere else. After all we are just that sick 3% of healthy community here. LOL

It's over. We are adults right, they prefer to deal with kids. So let's leave the kids here and go somewhere where we are going to be treated seriously like real customers.

I have the feeling that we are all just the problem for them. Let's fix that problem and leave them alone with empty grid. Then they can do whatever they want and the limit will only be THEIR imagination.

Really, I consider myself a serious adult. I need to deal with a lot of bureaucracy in RL. I don;t need even more this crap in some pixel world. It's beyond imagination that you guys still even consider staying here. Have some dignity.

Interesting comparison to other things going on right now. Amazon has decided LGBT books are "adult" (even the ones that are not) and took them out of their sales rank. Meanwhile, you can still find playboy books ranked. Most of the twitters I have read this morning are about it.

I haven't checked recently, but hipihi doesn't have an english language user interface. Also, all conversations (both text and IM) are monitored. Mention Tibet and you're out and banned.

I got my account during the beta and didn't stick around when it went mainstream.

Our best hope is one of LL's business in a box customers coming through for us. Open grid is still too far away from securing IP rights for creators.

Yes, peculiar, isn't it? Especially given the connection between Jeff Bezos and Linden Laboratories.

I'm sure there is no implication, of course, that Amazon's definition of anything remotely LGBT as being basically hardcode porn might filter through to Linden Lab's so-far entirely non-existent definition of "adult".

You think Hipihi is going to have fewer restrictions than SL?

Well, at least we know heterosexual erotica is not "adult".

Because the horse is most certainly *not* dead. It won't be dead until the "move out by" date has passed. *then* it will be useless to complain.

Until then there is the miniscule chance that we might be able to show LL that their proposed course of action is a *mistake* that will have dire effects upon their business.

There's not much of a chance, I grant you. but the horse is not dead- merely in a vegetative state on life support.

-V-

Are you kidding me? Didn't you read all the posts here? LL Regime just announced that you are going to be monitored and it is just the matter of time when they start to monitor your conversations. If China is so bad, why all American and European companies have their factories there, you watch too much CNN. Tibet is the part of China for 300 years... sorry but if you support Tibet then you should allow Native Americans in U.S. to have their own country too. So I don't care if I can't talk about Tibet there, as long as nobody is telling me that naked pixel nipple is something which will destroy human kind.

I think that statement applies to about 90% of the recent posts on this thread.

Does anyone REALLY think that anybody at LL is going to care about ANYTHING that has been posted in here recently? This is worse than an RA thread.

Just don't be surprised if LL just close this thread... oh but then we'll have something else to complain about...

Sorry folks, but for an effort to try to stop LL from doing this, all the pettiness just stinks of epic fail.

Cheap slave labor.

Then let's get some translators and fix that problem. It's not a big deal.