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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Morganna Reggiane
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04-11-2009 23:31
From: Valerius Constantine
What is a good height to put that "A" at, so that it is sure to show up on the map?

-V-


Mine is about 100M but that's so it would clear the house. I think you could probably set it on the ground and it would still show up.


Morganna
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04-11-2009 23:33
From: Morganna Reggiane
From: Valerius Constantine
What is a good height to put that "A" at, so that it is sure to show up on the map?
Mine is about 100M but that's so it would clear the house. I think you could probably set it on the ground and it would still show up.

I think it's anything from ground level to about 400m that will show up on the map. Anything above a certain height won't show up.
Tal Chaika
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A thought on Age Verification
04-12-2009 00:02
What prevents a kid from going in daddy's wallet while he is in the shower and getting the verification info?
Is anyone checking that the submitter of the info is indeed the owner of the info?

Perhaps a combination of Age Verification and Payment Info Used, might be best at least daddy will see the charges on his credit card.
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04-12-2009 00:48
From: Talarus Luan
Blondin et al:

I entreat you to read this and CAREFULLY consider what it says:

Link?
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04-12-2009 01:01
From: Deltango Vale
In Canada, you can't work, breathe or eat without a SIN (Social Insurance Number). It's used for everything; you can't buy a can of dogfood without it. No SIN and you are a non-person.


I need mine here in Holland for working, getting healthcare, and lots of other things to. I think the link i posted just refers to the USA tho. This to me was the catch22 for a lot of people

From: someone
There is no law, however, that prevents businesses from requesting your SSN, and there are few restrictions on what businesses can do with it. However, even though you are not required to disclose your SSN, the business can refuse to provide you with service if you refuse to give it.


Yet they are telling people to protect them lol
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04-12-2009 01:07
From: Talarus Luan
Blondin et al:

I entreat you to read this and CAREFULLY consider what it says:



Interesting read thanks for posting. I think the Conclusion summed it up tho

From: someone
CONCLUSION
With the vast range of art, information, and ideas available online, there is urgent need for coherent, objective, and clear-sighted exploration of the best "tools and strategies" for addressing concerns about minors' access to pornography and "other inappropriate Internet content." In the final analysis, affirmative educational approaches are more likely to be effective than technological "fixes."

Respectfully submitted,

Marjorie Heins
Free Expression Policy Project
National Coalition Against Censorship


Parents should educate their kids :)
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-12-2009 01:48
U know what....i've had enough...everyone is running around in circles.
SL has sealed their own fate..... if they want to do this thats their choice...but we have a choice too
I have already started buiding my own world and it wont be long before it will be up and running .....I am sick of sl and LL looking over my shoulder.......I'm outta here.....yes i'm gonna be a LAND spectulator and try to get some of the money back i wasted ... opensim software is the only way to go
What i save by not paying sl full sim tiers will more than enough pay for my own world
and....guess what.....my world doesnt have any big brother TOS
thats my 2 cents....5 bucks...whatever u want it to be
1 pi**ed off resident
Argent Stonecutter
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04-12-2009 03:32
From: Morganna Reggiane

Once Blondin clarified that ANY parcel listed in Search is basically "public" and subject to the changes if it has adult content such as BDSM toys
He didn't say that. He said that any build advertising adult content in search is "adult".
From: someone
I moved on to the question of whether a private residence not listed in Search or Events which contains "adult" content in open areas such as gardens would still be allowed. Blondin's response was it would be considered an "adult build".
Can you provide a reference to the specific message, because I can't find it now but that's not how I read it.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-12-2009 05:19
From: Talarus Luan
...at the wonderful PRIVATE residence build, turn a corner and.. OH MY GOD THERE IS PIXEL SEX GOING ON!!!!


....

We don't need ANY of this new BS that Blondin, et al is spearheading. NONE of it.


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I'm well aware of the major sources of the idiocy, and I realize it is a torrent. I don't care.



This is true. I agree. Thousands agree. But maybe one annotation: Pixels are unable to get aroused, nor to have sex. Pixel are also not violent. If a Linden declares to sex or violence, what he or she hallucinate or self-hypnozize there to "see", then is this not our problem, because with the same right we can declare the whole screen content to art elecronica, performance art or any sort of art or abstraction or just to nothing, maximum 01010101010101010101. And to censor artwork, made by 18+ adults, would be pure naked uncovered fascism.

They are technicians. They should know that there is no sex, nor violence. The magnetic influenced carbon surface of a hard disk is relative unable to have or receive or to express, something like sex or violence, because both is only possible between living, biological systems/creatures, but done consensual it is again no crime, nor violence (speaking of real life, or any abstraction of "life";).

Once I saw (really, no joke!) a type with the fake name "Linden" running around as mole avatar, with a small red hat on his pixel-mole-head - he worked hard to fill pixel amphores with freebie stuff for the Nautilus- residents and then he moved some houses around and worked here and there on this or that.

So, if I would think like the Lindens, I would have had a need to call greenpeace, the police and zoology-experts, because it could be mole-abuse to let a mole work at daylight, on stonetiles as architect and service-employee. This is violence against the mole-dignity! Mole-slavery! Mole-abuse! Mole-torture! (lol)

It is disturbing what a perv, smutty, dirty, irreal phantasie the Lindens have. I bet they see "sex" if one puts two LEGO - bricks together, or if one moves a spoon into a honey-pot at their breakfast table. Next time they will prohibit linksets of prims, because they see that as group-sex.

Hahahaha. Ah, the Lindens. Really not the brightest, these freaks. I mean...if I buy an *cite prim/sculptie creation, such a pixel-nothing, it may look like whatever, but if I stretch it 10x10x10 I have a house, or a yacht or a flower, means it is impossible to fixate prims or pixels as moral or ethical relevant instances.

LL needs to go back to school or to see a serious doctor.
Bomber Later
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04-12-2009 06:04
After reading the threads I can understand why LL is not listening. The people out here on this forum are acting like a bunch of rebellious children crying and throwing a tantrum because it is time for bed.

Really simple.. Verify that you are 18 and the whole world of smut is there for you.
If you love your parcel so much and do not want to move clean it up or move to the adult content like you are told to do. Simple!

Now go to bed kids and stop crying!
Dogboat Taurog
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04-12-2009 06:11
From: Bomber Later
After reading the threads I can understand why LL is not listening. The people out here on this forum are acting like a bunch of rebellious children crying and throwing a tantrum because it is time for bed.

Really simple.. Verify that you are 18 and the whole world of smut is there for you.
If you love your parcel so much and do not want to move clean it up or move to the adult content like you are told to do. Simple!

Now go to bed kids and stop crying!


you have tunnel vision bomber, you are only seeing a very small part of the picture, perhaps just the part you want to see, this is going to affect a lot of people in more ways than your tiny mind can imagine.
Qie Niangao
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04-12-2009 06:41
From: Talarus Luan
Blondin et al:

I entreat you to read this and CAREFULLY consider what it says:

http://www.ncac.org/Identifying_What_Is_Harmful_Or_Inappropriate_For_Minors
[extraneous "?" added to link for visibility]

I'm not particularly convinced, however, by the details of that link, as much as I may agree with the conclusion. They're rather too dismissive of the literature on imitation of media violence. If one reads the actual research, it requires a fair bit of methodological legerdemain to get anything but strong confirmation of the linkage, within the limits of ethical use of human subjects.

That said, it's quite correct that generalizing those results from violence to sexual content is a huge leap of faith, about as justified as advocating an aeronautical engineering curriculum consisting solely of launch videos.
Briana Dawson
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04-12-2009 06:41
From: Bomber Later
After reading the threads I can understand why LL is not listening. The people out here on this forum are acting like a bunch of rebellious children crying and throwing a tantrum because it is time for bed.

Really simple.. Verify that you are 18 and the whole world of smut is there for you.
If you love your parcel so much and do not want to move clean it up or move to the adult content like you are told to do. Simple!

Now go to bed kids and stop crying!


Nice completely blank profile, alt-troll.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-12-2009 06:52
From: Bomber Later
After reading the threads I can understand why LL is not listening. The people out here on this forum are acting like a bunch of rebellious children crying and throwing a tantrum because it is time for bed.

Really simple.. Verify that you are 18 and the whole world of smut is there for you.
If you love your parcel so much and do not want to move clean it up or move to the adult content like you are told to do. Simple!

Now go to bed kids and stop crying!


Beside the fact, that you missed the complexity of a globewide multi-rational, multi-cultural, multi-individual and multi-collective population plus all levels of economy and intelligence circumstances, is one major reason for the non-listerners of LL, that we pay them. As soon we would stop to pay them, they would getting ears as big as elephant ears, if not bigger. They have radar-technology big, large, huge ears if it goes about numbers. Especiallyif it goes about red numbers... the big MINUS-

So far we try to catch them by their dignity, if they have one.

It is somehow waterproofed, that they don't care about their own dignity, or that they were big friends of truth and honor, customer relation and consumer protection, not to mention the service idea wich each business should have and should provide.

But we have some more munition in background if needed. Basicly two developements: creativity and the numbers, as said...

But talking about bed's. Sleep well. ;-)
Alexander Harbrough
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04-12-2009 06:59
From: someone
From: someone
Originally Posted by Deltango Vale
In Canada, you can't work, breathe or eat without a SIN (Social Insurance Number). It's used for everything; you can't buy a can of dogfood without it. No SIN and you are a non-person.


I need mine here in Holland for working, getting healthcare, and lots of other things to. I think the link i posted just refers to the USA tho. This to me was the catch22 for a lot of people


From: someone
From: someone

There is no law, however, that prevents businesses from requesting your SSN, and there are few restrictions on what businesses can do with it. However, even though you are not required to disclose your SSN, the business can refuse to provide you with service if you refuse to give it.


Yet they are telling people to protect them lol


Actually the law here (in Canada) is not quite nothing, just close to. Businesses are unable to request your SIN 'unless they have a legitimate reason,' and if they deny you business on the basis that you will not divulve, you can complain to the privacy commissioner.

Not sure how much power they have though.
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04-12-2009 08:20
Yes Briana anybody who is in disagreement with you is a troll. I could however enhance my profile to be just like yours with complaints about another avatars height or the wearing of noob skin. I could bash them for wearing SL clothing. I can look down my nose at others for not being able to afford the Lindens to buy clothing that you would approve of. SMDH
Get over yourself!
Couldbe Yue
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04-12-2009 08:21
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these are all Blondin's posts. He said he'd be back on monday with some more answers so it might be a nice time to review what he's said and come up with some more questions.

hopefully one or more of those links will show - if they don't, go to the page that lists all the threads and click on his name and select "show all posts"..
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04-12-2009 08:22
From: Bomber Later
Yes Briana anybody who is in disagreement with you is a troll. I could however enhance my profile to be just like yours with complaints about another avatars height or the wearing of noob skin. I could bash them for wearing SL clothing. I can look down my nose at others for not being able to afford the Lindens to buy clothing that you would approve of. SMDH
Get over yourself!



you appear to be a little bit hostile for a noob with no ties.. You really should look at some anger management classes
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04-12-2009 08:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganna Reggiane
Once Blondin clarified that ANY parcel listed in Search is basically "public" and subject to the changes if it has adult content such as BDSM toys
He didn't say that. He said that any build advertising adult content in search is "adult".
Quote:
I moved on to the question of whether a private residence not listed in Search or Events which contains "adult" content in open areas such as gardens would still be allowed. Blondin's response was it would be considered an "adult build".
Can you provide a reference to the specific message, because I can't find it now but that's not how I read it.

From: Argent Stonecutter
He didn't say that. He said that any build advertising adult content in search is "adult".
Can you provide a reference to the specific message, because I can't find it now but that's not how I read it.


From: someone

Old 04-08-2009, 12:04 AM #1315
Blondin Linden
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1) What about people who "live above the store"? People who have a skybox with personal non-publicly-advertised bedrooms on a plot with a ground-level non-mature/adult store? If you own X-meters of land. Will you be GIVEN the same amount of land on the adult sim?
ANSWER: 1) Personal bedrooms - if they aren't advertised and aren't holding sexually- or violently-themed events, aren't really adult content. It's just a bedroom at that point. 2) Skyboxes - if it's advertising adult content, it will have to be on adult land. 3) Land swap - If your content on the mainland is adult and you choose to move to the adult continent, you will be able to directly swap land to the adult continent. It will be the same amount.


problem of course is that if the store/play area on the ground has to move so does the skybox.
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04-12-2009 08:41
From: Qie Niangao
[extraneous "?" added to link for visibility]


Yeah, I am not used to post such long links in IMG tags. :P Looks fine to me, but I am running GreaseMonkey. :P

From: someone
I'm not particularly convinced, however, by the details of that link, as much as I may agree with the conclusion. They're rather too dismissive of the literature on imitation of media violence. If one reads the actual research, it requires a fair bit of methodological legerdemain to get anything but strong confirmation of the linkage, within the limits of ethical use of human subjects.


I'm very convinced by it, because it points out the HUGE weaknesses in those studies. I mean, what causation can you extrapolate from a population sample of THREE people? Especially ones who were cherry-picked for the study? Those aren't studies, they are manufactured results with the intent to support the "popular" stance of the "moral majority". Even the investigators later admit that the results are, at best, statistically insignificant. Pretty damning, as far as I am concerned. That's just one example.

From: someone
That said, it's quite correct that generalizing those results from violence to sexual content is a huge leap of faith, about as justified as advocating an aeronautical engineering curriculum consisting solely of launch videos.


That's the elephant in the room, sitting on top of the house of cards which most of those studies represent, which just goes to show how carefully orchestrated the whole charade is.

I mean, just look at the three-judge panel reacting to their own "expert witnesses" whom they were going through like water because they didn't like the testimony:

"We are troubled," they wrote, "by the absence of harm presented both before Congress and before us that the viewing of signal bleed of sexually explicit programming causes harm to children."

They weren't looking for evidence to base a decision on, they were looking for confirmation of what they had already predetermined was the truth of the matter. They were "troubled" when the foremost experts in the field weren't giving it to them, calling their testimony "weak", and saying they were "unimpressed" by it.
Alexander Harbrough
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04-12-2009 08:54
From: Couldbe Yue
you appear to be a little bit hostile for a noob with no ties.. You really should look at some anger management classes


I know you lot are angry, but doesn't it seem you as contradictory to chide someone for a blank profile while expressing concerns as to businesses misusing personal information?

Information put in a profile may not be as volitile as, say, a SIN or SSN, but it is still information about you and you are presenting it a lot more publicly. My profile is blank in SL too, as is my myspace profile, my profile on most boards and with the exception of specific RP character backgrounds, blank in all MMOs I have ever been in.

And as for anger management, yes, Bomber may need some, but is active agression really that much worse than the 'passive' agression of putting people on ignore (or threatening to), which is a popular response online?

Sorry, a bit of a touchy subject for me.
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04-12-2009 09:10
From: Alexander Harbrough
I know you lot are angry, but doesn't it seem you as contradictory to chide someone for a blank profile while expressing concerns as to businesses misusing personal information?

Information put in a profile may not be as volitile as, say, a SIN or SSN, but it is still information about you and you are presenting it a lot more publicly. My profile is blank in SL too, as is my myspace profile, my profile on most boards and with the exception of specific RP character backgrounds, blank in all MMOs I have ever been in.

And as for anger management, yes, Bomber may need some, but is active agression really that much worse than the 'passive' agression of putting people on ignore (or threatening to), which is a popular response online?

Sorry, a bit of a touchy subject for me.


Alex, you will have an easy time verifying as you are a Canadian, and Canada is part of the USA. :p
Most of the people here are protesting because they are going to lose out in some material way, i am one of them, count yourself lucky you are in a no lose situation.

Bomber is insulting and just wants a fight,so yes i will be ignoring him.
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04-12-2009 09:14
From: Alexander Harbrough
I know you lot are angry, but doesn't it seem you as contradictory to chide someone for a blank profile while expressing concerns as to businesses misusing personal information?

Information put in a profile may not be as volitile as, say, a SIN or SSN, but it is still information about you and you are presenting it a lot more publicly. My profile is blank in SL too, as is my myspace profile, my profile on most boards and with the exception of specific RP character backgrounds, blank in all MMOs I have ever been in.

And as for anger management, yes, Bomber may need some, but is active agression really that much worse than the 'passive' agression of putting people on ignore (or threatening to), which is a popular response online?

Sorry, a bit of a touchy subject for me.



I don't know how long you have been in sl really, nor if you've actually ever spent more than 5 minutes in world.

99% of accounts that are blank are either abandoned or if still active they're a troller/griefer.

The basic way a newbie enters sl means that before their head stops spinning they're a member of too many groups because they don't know they can say no when they turn up a place and someone gives them a group invite.

also, the way it usually works is that people very quickly follow the same path.. get a profile pick and fill out the profile a bit. That's the way people settle into the community here.

If they don't, then they're not engaged.

even those who run alts for specific purposes - whether it be picking up women through a dance club to 'real' rp will have something in their profile to give them credibility.

In all the years I've been inworld I can't think of one blank profile I've met while out and about that wasn't someone using it for some kind of nefarious activity.

and if you'd read my posts, which you obviously haven't, you'd see I'm not angry at LL. Frustrated occasionally by their complete amateurism but also resigned to it and trying very hard to convince people that they have to stop taking this personally and start detaching from sl.

Troller boy here fits all the classic signs. He comes in and doesn't contribute anything worthwhile, just posts something contentious in the hope of upsetting/distressing the other posters. Look up the meaning of troll if you still don't get it.

As for muting people, it happens. There are lots of people who would rather cross the street than talk to me and the feeling is mutual. I've got some on mute here because despite them 'being on my side' every time I read their posts I want to correct their grammar or slap them for being whiny (sorry guys :( ).

If the thought of there being people in this world who don't like what you have to say and blank it out offends you then you really should consider moving on because it's not going to change.
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Ok some more questions for Mr. Blondin and the staff
04-12-2009 09:19
What will be with people, who have plans to perform or to create so called adult expressions? Means: can anyone who want to be on the safe side of the upcoming arbitrarily rating spectrum, (because of humans spontaneity wich creates every second new ideas and items and want to do that free and unhindered), swap the land for free too, to exist in SL free of pressure or constantly reviews, or AR's or any other trouble wich would appear in blurry grey-zones (actual PG and Mature lots?) Or will LL then review someones mind before? Or are these people locked out of the land-swap process in general?

Second question: wich professional, i.e academic titles and science-works i. e. art, media-philosophy, history, anthropology, pschology, biology, politics, design, sociology, human ethics, and hundreds more, plus wich possible democratic legitimation is the Linden-staff able to provide, wich would them halfway qualifying to judge and discriminate other peoples electronic art, artwork, art-performance, artisitic creation and artificial expression ingame and them freedom as 18+ adults in general?

Third question for monday, April, 13. :

What is Linden Lab's legitimation, specific and in general, to discriminate (negative or positive discrimination is meant = both forms of discrimination!) other peoples lifestyles, artistic expressions, fantasies, creations and business, while all of these are real and alive to see in open and at open-air events, free to visit for people from all over the world, including families, kids (sic!) etc. and not zoned and not deplaced from the city where Linden Lab has its headquarter?

Keyword: Folsom Street Fairy and many similar events plus daily individual expressions wich are noticeable in the whole city.

P.S. for LL: if you find spelling mistakes. Me is from Austria, I know only basics of the english language, but you sure know the sense of my questions. Ty for answering exact, in advance.
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04-12-2009 09:35
From: Dogboat Taurog
Alex, you will have an easy time verifying as you are a Canadian, and Canada is part of the USA. :p
Most of the people here are protesting because they are going to lose out in some material way, i am one of them, count yourself lucky you are in a no lose situation.


Understandable, but if the law that I think is behind this does get upheld, LL may have no choice regardless of consequence. The opposite is also true though, if the law gets struck down on anything other than a technicallity, this may all be unneccessary, but that is a pretty big gamble.

Some sort of solution will have to be found... no ability to confirm ID goes beyond SL. If there is no sure means to confirm ID, doesn't that make fraud and money laundering a lot easier? And doesn't it make identity theft in some ways easier since anyone can claim to be anyone online?

Too great a reliance on or insufficient security measures on ID checking and we have a police state where it is impossible to do business.

Somewhere between the two we need to find a solution.

From: someone
Bomber is insulting and just wants a fight,so yes i will be ignoring him.


I have always found doing my best to respond politely and calmly to be more productive. It helps calm those who are merely angry so that a meaningful dialogue can occur, and it infuriates those who are just looking for a fight. Maybe it is just a Canadian thing :)
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