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Anabella Spark
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04-12-2009 16:13
From: Brenda Connolly
Cheap slave labor.


ROFL... Look at yourself...

We have freedom... We can sell what we want, we can live where we want, nobody is paying overpriced tier, nobody has to move to the adult ghetto..ops... who is a slave here lol
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04-12-2009 16:19
From: Anabella Spark
ROFL... Look at yourself...

We have freedom... We can sell what we want, we can live where we want, nobody is paying overpriced tier, nobody has to move to the adult ghetto..ops... who is a slave here lol


What does that have to do with your question? You asked why Western Companies manufacture in China, I gave you the primary reason. I don't understand the rest of your post.
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Anabella Spark
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04-12-2009 16:23
From: Brenda Connolly
What does that have to do with your question? You asked why Western Companies manufacture in China, I gave you the primary reason. I don't understand the rest of your post.


They manufacture in China because there is too much socialism in U.S. and Europe. High taxes and expensive labor. It is cheaper to have 100 employees in China than 2 in Germany, because you need to pay 80% tax in France and 50% in Germany. All of this because of socialism regime in U.S and E.U.(Watch this marxist Obama)Somebody who is working in factory indeed they should not earn a lot. So everything is fine. Additionally with billion people in China they are happy that some have work. So don't repeat this propaganda.
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04-12-2009 16:25
From: Valerius Constantine
Because the horse is most certainly *not* dead. It won't be dead until the "move out by" date has passed. *then* it will be useless to complain.

Until then there is the miniscule chance that we might be able to show LL that their proposed course of action is a *mistake* that will have dire effects upon their business.

There's not much of a chance, I grant you. but the horse is not dead- merely in a vegetative state on life support. :)

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Ahhh.... a horse will never die in SL. Even if it did, just re-log, and it will come alive again :)
Couldbe Yue
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04-12-2009 16:26
From: Kalderi Tomsen
I think that statement applies to about 90% of the recent posts on this thread.

Does anyone REALLY think that anybody at LL is going to care about ANYTHING that has been posted in here recently? This is worse than an RA thread.




we're just killing time until blondin gets back.. Tomorrow actually (well today where I am)..

We've had some interesting conversations, met some erudite (and some not so) people and generally just had a good old natter.

think of this at the moment as more of a community get together over a garden fence than anything else.

However, Monday will come and then we'll get back to the topic at hand
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Couldbe Yue
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04-12-2009 16:29
From: Anabella Spark
They manufacture in China because there is too much socialism in U.S. and Europe. High taxes and expensive labor. It is cheaper to have 100 employees in China than 2 in Germany, because you need to pay 80% tax in France and 50% in Germany. All of this because of socialism regime in U.S and E.U.(Watch this marxist Obama)Somebody who is working in factory indeed they should not earn a lot. So everything is fine. Additionally with billion people in China they are happy that some have work. So don't repeat this propaganda.


This is not the thread to be discussing human rights abuses and exploitative practices that are endemic in China.

You asked a question and Brenda answered it concisely and appropriately.

Although I must point out that China is now becoming expensive for some of the more exploitative western companies and they're shifting to Vietnam where the labour is even cheaper.
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04-12-2009 16:33
From: Couldbe Yue
think of this at the moment as more of a community get together over a garden fence than anything else.
Which is exactly what I meant - an RA thread, not a discussion about the issues. It was cluttered with off-topic discussions when Blondin WAS around.

I'm just waiting for the Vogon poetry to start....
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04-12-2009 16:33
From: Couldbe Yue
This is not the thread to be discussing human rights abuses and exploitative practices that are endemic in China.



I use your deceleration of human rights in the toilet instead of toilet paper everyday.

What I'm trying to point out is that there is no difference between corporate regime and government regime. And we are just experiencing it. And we shouldn't allow them to implement another scam called adult flags
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04-12-2009 16:34
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Does anyone REALLY think that anybody at LL is going to care about ANYTHING that has been posted in here recently?
Actually, I know for a fact that LL does read this thread. Needless to say - as with any other reader - LL is likely to ignore flames, rants and gobbledygook. It's up to us to get a clear message across - to make coherent arguments based on facts, experience and sound reasoning. Gnashing our teeth and rending our garments, while emotionally satisfying, is unlikely to effect prompt and cheerful capitulation.
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04-12-2009 16:34
From: Couldbe Yue
we're just killing time until blondin gets back.. Tomorrow actually (well today where I am)..

We've had some interesting conversations, met some erudite (and some not so) people and generally just had a good old natter.



How else do you think I managed to run up such an obscenely high post count in such a short time? :p
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04-12-2009 16:37
From: Anabella Spark
They manufacture in China because there is too much socialism in U.S. and Europe. High taxes and expensive labor. It is cheaper to have 100 employees in China than 2 in Germany, because you need to pay 80% tax in France and 50% in Germany. All of this because of socialism regime in U.S and E.U.(Watch this marxist Obama)Somebody who is working in factory indeed they should not earn a lot. So everything is fine. Additionally with billion people in China they are happy that some have work. So don't repeat this propaganda.


Socialism?
marxist obama?
oh my word...
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04-12-2009 16:37
From: Couldbe Yue
nope, I just know enough of human nature that whilst the professional classes do like dipping into the various online zoos, they rarely stay. Forums, whilst a semi substitute for actually experiencing a platform, are not really much chop.

Now considering that you haven't even been inworld long enough to go through the newbie rituals, it's pretty safe to say your account wasn't created because you had a serious interest in sl. ergo there had to be some other reason and some kind of tie to LL is indicated here - unless of course you're a journalilst looking for something sensational to misconstrue and get a little publicity with - not unheard of.

Finding these forums is a feat, and even bothering to spend any time of them is something that the majority of sl inhabitatants don't do. The conversation may be better in here than inworld simply because there's time to compose and digest but if you don't understand the nuances, then people will get tired of trying to correct your misunderstandings.

good luck with that


You're right, there is a learning curve to a the LL set-up


In my personal case, I first tried SL in 2007, created a "throw away AV" and wandered around a bit, then lost interest. About 6-8 months later some RL friends got into it, and I realized that my first AV, picked for a funny-sounding last name as a goof, wasn't going to cut it in a vampire RP, so I made my first ALT. Then I started branching out from there as I realized that I couldn't do *all* the RP stuff I wanted to without having an inventory the size of Greenland- so I started creating new ones as I went.

I now have 6 AV's including the original "throw away", and I *still* only got involved in these forums a few weeks ago because of this issue.

So yeah, they're kinda tough to find, and to see what you want to see. and I have been plugging along at this for a couple years now.

Maybe that's different for different people, but I'm not exactly clueless computer-wise, and have been yakking in online forums since you needed to speak DOS and know the word "Baud".

And let me tell you, that terms was pretty confusing to an Elizabethan Vampire! :)

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Bambi Newall
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04-12-2009 16:43
From: Anabella Spark
Are you kidding me? Didn't you read all the posts here? LL Regime just announced that you are going to be monitored and it is just the matter of time when they start to monitor your conversations. If China is so bad, why all American and European companies have their factories there, you watch too much CNN. Tibet is the part of China for 300 years... sorry but if you support Tibet then you should allow Native Americans in U.S. to have their own country too. So I don't care if I can't talk about Tibet there, as long as nobody is telling me that naked pixel nipple is something which will destroy human kind.

I'm sure if you mention the word promoting Indian Reservations as a separate country, you will be censored exactly the same way as China too. What's the difference?

Even Sarah Palin's ex-husband promoting the ceding of Alaska from the US is considered as an outlaw. How are we different from China?

Yes, there is ONE difference:
* Censorship and surveillance is enforced by the government only in China

* Censorship and surveillance is enforced NOT ONLY by the US government agencies like FCC, CIA
* but also by corporations like Linden Labs, Google, Amazon
* and your neighbors like Nany
* and your wonderful friendly religious neighbors
Anabella Spark
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04-12-2009 16:44
From: Dogboat Taurog
Socialism?
marxist obama?
oh my word...


I'm not sure where do you live , but in European Parlament they said that:

"Low taxes and lack of socialism cause unemployment and always leads to fascism"

I think you are one of those who believe in this.

When it comes to Obama, he is not the marxist , he is a trotskist (which is even more far left than marxism.

Anyway...good luck
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04-12-2009 16:47
From: Ramses Schoonhoven
You're right, there is a learning curve to a the LL set-up


I now have 6 AV's including the original "throw away", and I *still* only got involved in these forums a few weeks ago because of this issue.


-V-


possibly the wrong account V ;)

When this first kicked off I think I had a post count of 3.. and since it kicked off I've posted twice on another thread that had nothing to do with this..

but I like this thread, it's one of those where you can kick your shoes off (except Brenda, do you think I can get those damn shoes off her?? grrr), settle back and let the brain do some grown up conversation.
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04-12-2009 16:49
From: Brenda Connolly
How else do you think I managed to run up such an obscenely high post count in such a short time? :p



:)
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04-12-2009 16:50
From: Valerius Constantine
Because the horse is most certainly *not* dead. It won't be dead until the "move out by" date has passed. *then* it will be useless to complain.

Until then there is the miniscule chance that we might be able to show LL that their proposed course of action is a *mistake* that will have dire effects upon their business.

There's not much of a chance, I grant you. but the horse is not dead- merely in a vegetative state on life support. :)

-V-


I like to add: since I saw the Berlin Wall falling (I have a broken stone/brick-part from the wall on my desk, hehehe) and the end of the cold war and the end of so many regimes, I would say: a horse is never dead enough, to do some good beating on it - and if it needs 10-20-30 years...

The GDR - Regime (former East-Germany) told in June 1961: "no one wants to build a wall"

In August 1961 the wall was builded...including a death-zone...including landmines, and shootings at the borders, diagonal through germany.

28 years later, the wall was down...

wich was forced by millions of protesters.

The same we have with puritanism.

That comes and goes in waves.

So, Ursula is not the last word.

Even if established in summer.

The beating can be continued.

No need to stop creativity, being dissident, no need to stop resistance and no need to shut up. :-)

All these Regimes are weak and not the brightest. The best tactic is ever a flexible one, full of surprises made by individuals and groups and kind of partisan tactic, with much creativity and humor and a good portion anger, a mix of hot blood and cool head and a smile ;-)

I mean: we have time, or not? It must not be illegal and should not be illegal, but the game tools, the system of tier and fees, the whole pyramide structure of the game, offers much combinations to make some good legal sabotage to bad plans in so many ways, to conter a Regime, or to hold them under continued stress to react on new customer moves.

It can be fun, like a good RP or an adventure game, to make tricky things and to show tricky behavior.

I mean: who is more able to be smart and intrigant than a vampire, hehehe ;-)))))

Never give up. The good times are gone, yes!

But the much better times are in front! If we all act creative and kind of smart chaotic enough.

Chaos is fun. Not for them, - but for us it can be big fun!:-)
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04-12-2009 16:50
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"Low taxes and lack of socialism cause unemployment and always leads to fascism"


:eek: And I thought our politicians cornered the market on idiotic statements
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04-12-2009 16:52
Well, if we could perhaps move away from this moronic drivel about "communism", the active censorship by Amazon - Jeff Bezos being a significant LL partner, and Amazon S3 providing downloads for the SL client - should maybe be of importance to people. You know, classifying anything slightly "gay" as "adult".

This is not an acceptable definition. Until Amazon reverse this I, personally, will not be buying anything, downloading anything or editing any systems which involve Amazon, and will be encouraging everyone ever to do the same.
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04-12-2009 17:03
From: Anabella Spark
I use your deceleration of human rights
Is that what happens when you put the brakes on social progress? The deceleration of human rights?
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04-12-2009 17:04
From: Talarus Luan
Try asking Clinton.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."


just out of curiosity- do you know the context of that clinton quote? Everyone throws it around as if it's the most stupid thing in the world, but it was actually a fairly important point at the time, and a perfectly valid one.

Just saying that it isn't as dumb as it sounds :)

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04-12-2009 17:05
From: Anabella Spark
I'm not sure where do you live , but in European Parlament they said that:

"Low taxes and lack of socialism cause unemployment and always leads to fascism"

I think you are one of those who believe in this.

When it comes to Obama, he is not the marxist , he is a trotskist (which is even more far left than marxism.

Anyway...good luck



i was just wondering how this thread got to this point, lol.
but maximum points for derailment go to you.
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04-12-2009 17:07
From: Anabella Spark
They manufacture in China because there is too much socialism in U.S. and Europe. High taxes and expensive labor. It is cheaper to have 100 employees in China than 2 in Germany, because you need to pay 80% tax in France and 50% in Germany. All of this because of socialism regime in U.S and E.U.(Watch this marxist Obama)Somebody who is working in factory indeed they should not earn a lot. So everything is fine. Additionally with billion people in China they are happy that some have work. So don't repeat this propaganda.


Right, so socialism is so bad that they go to a communist country....am I the only one who finds this line of thinking odd?
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04-12-2009 17:09
From: Dogboat Taurog
i was just wondering how this thread got to this point, lol.
but maximum points for derailment go to you.
You have to bring in Nazi Germany to get all 100 points.
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04-12-2009 17:11
ah yes i forgot the war :)
in that case Anabella, no points, sorry but a nice try
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