Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-18-2009 03:36
From: Valerius Constantine Funny thing- I've never had my lag meter give me a red reading for anything but "client", or "network". Server is always rock-solid green all the time, never yellow even- always an unwavering green. Needless to say, this makes me suspect that the lag meter is a less than useful tool. Don't worry, the lag meter's readings for client and network are worthless too. Turn off the search box in the upper right corner and you get the network meter, which is a much more useful tool than the lag meter, and use control-shift-1 for detailed stats.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-18-2009 03:38
From: Valerius Constantine Funny thing- I've never had my lag meter give me a red reading for anything but "client", or "network". Server is always rock-solid green all the time, never yellow even- always an unwavering green. Needless to say, this makes me suspect that the lag meter is a less than useful tool. Don't worry, the lag meter's readings for client and network are worthless too. Turn off the search box in the upper right corner and you get the network meter, which is a much more useful tool than the lag meter, and use control-shift-1 for detailed stats. From: Phoenix Welles then again I miss from the old old clients that built in rate bar that was at the top right, right under the X
You can turn off the stupid search box in preferences and get the network meters back.
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-18-2009 03:42
From: Valerius Constantine I mean, does *anyone* know of a reason to own a 16sqm plot except real estate extortion or visual griefing?
Sure, lots of them, but they can all be satisfied by letting them ONLY be sold for L$0 to a specific party, which would eliminate the ability for them to be used for extortion.
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Katheryne Helendale
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04-18-2009 03:43
From: Bambi Newall They added the extra layer of permission at the parcel level: That means PIU can be insufficient. You have to have adult-verification at the parcel level. If you are the landowner, and accidentally checked that bottom box, and you are only CC verified, you will ban yourself out of your own parcel. I may still be a newb, but.... I'm pretty damned sure those checkboxes have been there for at least the last year or so...
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-18-2009 04:15
From: Argent Stonecutter Sure, lots of them, but they can all be satisfied by letting them ONLY be sold for L$0 to a specific party, which would eliminate the ability for them to be used for extortion. I agree... they can be useful if you rent lots, or have small vendors dropped, but i agree they shouldnt be allowed to be sold, period.
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Katheryne Helendale
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04-18-2009 04:28
From: Phoenix Welles I agree it almost always points to the computer or network, but I have had it show up as the server on the odd occasion, usually when there are too many scripts crammed into a small space. (cringes about ursula lag again) then again I miss from the old old clients that built in rate bar that was at the top right, right under the X, so I'm one of the people who rezzes and hits ctrl-shift-1 immediately to grab that statistics window. I watch my kbs, ping and framerate like a hawk... especially when I'm at home and can't let the kbs stay above 100 for extended periods of time. I've actually managed to be able to move in world on the odd occasion with kbs rates at 20 or lower, as long as the server is good. The CoolSL Viewer has that rate bar (lagmeter) still. It's actually a really good viewer, worth grabbing.
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Deltango Vale
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New Coke
04-18-2009 04:43
From: Lord Sullivan Account verification is not age verification. All people using the service should have verified their accounts as we used to have to do in the past, accountability is a good thing IMHO. LL was wrong opening the floodgates and should have seen that account verification would have created these and more problems now they are re introducing it. Creating the anonymous (NPIOF) accounts was the biggest strategic error since New Coke.
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Deltango Vale
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04-18-2009 04:48
From: Lord Sullivan Jack Linden said it was to enable the growth of Ursula as it was asked at the meeting  Places a compass point in the center of Ursula, extends the other leg to the edge of the nearest continent, draws a circle. Gonna be a big sucker.
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Katheryne Helendale
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04-18-2009 04:49
From: Lord Sullivan Jack Linden said it was to enable the growth of Ursula as it was asked at the meeting  Must be expecting some mega-ginormous explosive growth in the adult sector, then!  Seriously, they've got that continent soooo far out there, if you don't know the exact slurl to type in, you'll never find it.
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Qie Niangao
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04-18-2009 05:13
From: Bambi Newall [...]You have to have adult-verification at the parcel level. If you are the landowner, and accidentally checked that bottom box, and you are only CC verified, you will ban yourself out of your own parcel. I don't think it works like that. It certainly didn't on the Mainland, back when I tested it. Any agent with the ability to check that parcel-level checkbox also had the ability to get onto the parcel regardless of how that checkbox was set. Indeed, it was a bit confusing on group-owned land because those with the default set of abilities for the Officer role (at least) were able to get onto the parcel whether they were age-verified or not. (There used to be a KB article that explained the whole process in depth, but it seems to have been simplified beyond utility now.) +++ From: Brieanne Bomazi a LOT of us have YEARS in the adult industry... The fact that so many people are *smutting it up* to simply get in on the new land...NOT as a support for Adult businesses, NOT because they want the freedom of it.. but SIMPLY so they can swap land, sit on it... and then make a huge profit. But the thing is, everybody wins, the more people end up on Ursula, for whatever reason brings them there. In fact, the best possible scenario is that the entire existing Mature Mainland moves to Ursula. Then the Adult businesses will lose the fewest customers to the difficulties of getting Adult access. So I'll welcome land speculators, too, if they draw in customers who verify or put payment info on file.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-18-2009 05:16
From: Deltango Vale Places a compass point in the center of Ursula, extends the other leg to the edge of the nearest continent, draws a circle. Gonna be a big sucker. The biggest continent ever 
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Lord Sullivan
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04-18-2009 05:17
From: Katheryne Helendale Must be expecting some mega-ginormous explosive growth in the adult sector, then!  Seriously, they've got that continent soooo far out there, if you don't know the exact slurl to type in, you'll never find it. I just typed Ursula into the map search to find it lol but its gonna be big thats for sure 
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-18-2009 05:25
From: Qie Niangao I don't think it works like that. It certainly didn't on the Mainland, back when I tested it. Any agent with the ability to check that parcel-level checkbox also had the ability to get onto the parcel regardless of how that checkbox was set. Indeed, it was a bit confusing on group-owned land because those with the default set of abilities for the Officer role (at least) were able to get onto the parcel whether they were age-verified or not. (There used to be a KB article that explained the whole process in depth, but it seems to have been simplified beyond utility now.)
+++ But the thing is, everybody wins, the more people end up on Ursula, for whatever reason brings them there. In fact, the best possible scenario is that the entire existing Mature Mainland moves to Ursula. Then the Adult businesses will lose the fewest customers to the difficulties of getting Adult access. So I'll welcome land speculators, too, if they draw in customers who verify or put payment info on file. i think the people who have to relocate to ursula will be the biggest losers, many new and existing members probably wont bother to age verifiy especially if they are not from the USA, at a guess i think 80% will not be age verified as it will cost them in some way or another, LL has already said they may charge for A.V. businesses on Ursula will die of starvation and thats part of LL's plan, anyone thinking of buying land should look into it very carefully and be prepared for a loss.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-18-2009 05:53
From: Dogboat Taurog i think the people who have to relocate to ursula will be the biggest losers, many new and existing members probably wont bother to age verifiy especially if they are not from the USA, at a guess i think 80% will not be age verified as it will cost them in some way or another, LL has already said they may charge for A.V.
businesses on Ursula will die of starvation and thats part of LL's plan, anyone thinking of buying land should look into it very carefully and be prepared for a loss. This is more of a war of attrition than anything else. Using piof means around 60% of the active users will automatically be able to get into the new continent without problems (well, except that the software is rubbish so we don't know who it will/won't let in). I'm basing that stat on my shop, where I've been running the piof scanner for the best part of a month and it's showing a constant 40% npiof. Although I'm deeply unhappy about having to move, particularly since LL don't even acknowledge how seriously they're inconveniencing us, I have to say that being free of the majority of the disposable account griefers and trolls will be nice. During school holidays it will cut down the number of kids running around causing havok too. The crunch will come at grid merge time. The adult continent will either have to be spun off to a separate grid probably using the IBM portal software to commute between (hey, we'll be LL test bunnies again  ) or age verification will be blanket implemented. Depending on the takeup rate of age verification that could be the killer. By the look of it, only those businesses that really are at the extreme or where the owner is cautious are likely to slap the age verification on, so the incentive really won't be there. So when the requirement for everyone to age verify comes it, *that* will probably drive us to the wall.
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Robert Graf
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Opinions
04-18-2009 06:50
From: Ciaran Laval I'm in favour of the adult continent, I'm against forced relocation as I don't see it as extending choice but I find the idea that someone will boycott people based on their opinion as offensive as the forced relocation idea.
Stifling opinion in such a manner is not good for anyone. Read my previous post... It's an example of how things can spiral out of control. One thing I have noticed is that some folks here seem to take themselves way too seriously. i realize that you have alot of time and money invested in SL You seem to attack anyone else's opinion that doesn't agree 100% with yours. Because you think you are masters of the universe doesn't mean any of the rest of us does. A peculiar infection of SL seems to be the attitude of some here. They think that since they have been on longer, or own more land, or spend more money ingame, their opinion is all that matters. The only people here who seem to want to stifle opinion are those who seem to have alot to lose if LL and SL go under. I could care less. 
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Kaos Jansma
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04-18-2009 07:01
From: Ciaran Laval I'm in favour of the adult continent, I'm against forced relocation as I don't see it as extending choice but I find the idea that someone will boycott people based on their opinion as offensive as the forced relocation idea.
Stifling opinion in such a manner is not good for anyone. it is my opinion that boycotting people is a peaceful way of expressing an opinion
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Donovan Caerndow
King of the Hobos
Join date: 28 Oct 2008
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04-18-2009 07:10
I can only hope that Ursula won't be stupid laggy like Nautilus or the mainland. But, how can it not be when you cram as many people as possible into as little space as possible? I feel for you folks who are being forced to move there when perhaps you had a lag free sim in the middle of nowhere before.
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What would REALLY help the grid is banning all the bots with first names like 123 or 1111. Bet they don't have payment info on file
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-18-2009 07:24
From: Kaos Jansma it is my opinion that boycotting people is a peaceful way of expressing an opinion and boycotting people is pretty much what LL is planning, if push comes to shove i will boycott also.
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Milla Janick
Empress Of The Universe
Join date: 2 Jan 2008
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04-18-2009 07:28
From: Ciaran Laval I'm in favour of the adult continent, I'm against forced relocation as I don't see it as extending choice but I find the idea that someone will boycott people based on their opinion as offensive as the forced relocation idea.
Stifling opinion in such a manner is not good for anyone. Generally, when people do something to piss me off, I'm less inclined to patronize their business anyway. Maybe I'm a little touchy (okay, a lot), but someone who is fully supporting LL's plan and the forced move of content they don't like if pretty much saying "I don't want you around". Fine. I figure I'm doing them a favor by taking my business and money elsewhere.
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Aiko Gaea
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04-18-2009 07:49
From: Studly Lockjaw Some I am sure are feeling that this is turning into a pointless process. for one have just as busy a First life schedule as most people and find it hard to read through all the infighting just to get the information that would be needed to address the changes need to continue running a business that will be directly effected by this change even through I am personally located on a private sim on leased land.
Are you all planning a briefing of the plans? I am sure you must retain some information to protect some areas of the process and to me unlike others this is understandable from the view of the system.
Studly I have to agree with Studly...A summary of the plans and decisions would be nice. Perhaps an indication of when this will be implemented, what has been decided, who will be affected, a definitive answer to acceptable age verification, a definitive answer to what actually has been deemed "adult". I know it seems to be asking alot, but wading through all the peripheral posts objecting to the changes, the myriad of comments and theories of why it's being done is a tad time consuming and from what I see there aren't any answers. Plenty of theories but no solid answers. We all know that LL will implement this no matter what our objections may be. But some solid information would be nice for all of the affected parties, land and business owners trying to make plans and determine future options. I know I'm trying to apply logic here and it may be an act of futility be one must try.
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Robert Graf
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04-18-2009 08:12
From: Milla Janick Generally, when people do something to piss me off, I'm less inclined to patronize their business anyway.
Maybe I'm a little touchy (okay, a lot), but someone who is fully supporting LL's plan and the forced move of content they don't like if pretty much saying "I don't want you around". Fine. I figure I'm doing them a favor by taking my business and money elsewhere. Notice that anytime anyone makes a point that could be viewed as negative by supporters or collaborators of the changes they ridicule/criticize the person and try to steer the discussion back to "important" issues. And most seem to have join dates in 2005, 2006. Interesting...
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-18-2009 08:12
From: Qie Niangao But the thing is, everybody wins, the more people end up on Ursula, for whatever reason brings them there. In fact, the best possible scenario is that the entire existing Mature Mainland moves to Ursula. Then the Adult businesses will lose the fewest customers to the difficulties of getting Adult access. So I'll welcome land speculators, too, if they draw in customers who verify or put payment info on file.
Yes and no.... Give the current business owners that require full & half sims first shot at land.. otherwise, we are screwed... worse than we are already. You will get a ton of folks buying 512 smack in the middle of a sim simply to drive the price up. thats what we are referring to... give the legit businesses first crack.. when the *concentration camp relocation* is finished... well then let it be a free for all.
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Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
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Automatic boycott
04-18-2009 08:20
When you think about it all......some of the best designers/animators/etc are into adult content...after we are all moved and things start to calm down, everyone in Ursula wont have any reason to even visit the mainland since everything we need will be in Ursula. I believe it will be the mainland that will be in danger of shutting down and all these businesses and educational people will have, if lucky a skeleton userbase.
Someone requested a sandbox in Ursula......I have never shut down my land here, it has always been open to all...and if people need to temporary build something they will be welcome to use my land in Ursula (pending I get close to what I have now)....as long as they clean up after themselves ^ ^
So in essence I believe SL's plan may backfire on them a little...they are assuming even the *adults* from Ursula will patronize the businesses at mainland...for what? We will have all we need at Ursula...self sustaining! MHO
P.S. I am also bringing one of the best animators in SL with me ^ ^
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Qie Niangao
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04-18-2009 08:26
From: Brieanne Bomazi Yes and no.... Give the current business owners that require full & half sims first shot at land.. otherwise, we are screwed... worse than we are already. You will get a ton of folks buying 512 smack in the middle of a sim simply to drive the price up. thats what we are referring to... give the legit businesses first crack. I absolutely agree (see  ). I'd just add that folks will claim their "512 smack in the middle of a sim" without any plan to drive up prices. The larger landowners simply have to go first or this just won't work.
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Brieanne Bomazi
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04-18-2009 08:44
From: Qie Niangao I absolutely agree (see  ). I'd just add that folks will claim their "512 smack in the middle of a sim" without any plan to drive up prices. The larger landowners simply have to go first or this just won't work. Excellent excellent points 
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