Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I agree it almost always points to the computer or network, but I have had it show up as the server on the odd occasion, usually when there are too many scripts crammed into a small space. (cringes about ursula lag again)

then again I miss from the old old clients that built in rate bar that was at the top right, right under the X, so I'm one of the people who rezzes and hits ctrl-shift-1 immediately to grab that statistics window. I watch my kbs, ping and framerate like a hawk... especially when I'm at home and can't let the kbs stay above 100 for extended periods of time. I've actually managed to be able to move in world on the odd occasion with kbs rates at 20 or lower, as long as the server is good.

No Bambi, that was my request for clarification you're quoting, not Blondin, and that check at the Parcel and Region level is there right now. But virtually no one uses it, because it DOES NOT WORK AS ADVERTIZED.

Thanks Vorren

The rat metaphore works not. What works is, that we have it to do with a company-gang wich is complete self-hypnotized and stucking in self-hallucinations. To watch such helpless people is ever irritating, confusing and we are maybe a bit infected by this, but not too much. The very most of us are immune and healthy. It is not a nice picture, to see the so called sovereign business people of LL losing their self-control.

They are hostages of their own ideas. It is not so, that we would be in a prison or in a laboratory. And if, then we have more room, space, sphere than LL. More playground. More creativity. More diversity. More culture. More IQ. More humor. This we use. Effective or not effective - but in any case more alive, colorful and more expressive than LL actually acts.

The company looks not good. We are fit. As you see. But the company looks kind of depressed and not able to act outside of its idea. They are running around in their own coffin, or like Zombies . So to speak. It is a bizarre and grotesque picture, to see matured people acting like LL does. It is a picture of misery. Tragic.

So, what we make here is the Charly Chaplin number, like he did in this great film: The Great Dictator. All what you read here is a parody on Linden Lab and their heads.

Yesterday I saw a notecard - from one shop-owner - delivered by this protesters group. A logged conversation. I don't know if I can post that here - but maybe some other posters saw that too and got maybe the same impressions from it.

There we can see a "Linden" acting like a robot. Complete remote controlled. As an apostel of a new sect. This is, to use your word: ridiculous like nothing else on the globe.

Inspector B. on tour is the funniest thing I ever saw. But additional and as said: it is tragic. Madness has catched them and leaves them not alone.

They are unable to make a spontaneous move. They lost navigation skills.

If a curve comes, they cannot react. We builded them turns and curves, but they cannot follow. Their leader has no driver-license. So the bus, within all company members on a annual company outing, rolls straight into the woods.

Hehehe. This is, what is really the case. We are in Diogenes mode. We are running around with a lamp at daylight on the market-place and we call: "humans, we want to see humans!".

And what comes? Idiots. Like it happened in good old Athens.

U c ?

Poor LL.

McBarf!

Maybe because this is the only thing they stand a chance of truly controlling

I'm in favour of the adult continent, I'm against forced relocation as I don't see it as extending choice but I find the idea that someone will boycott people based on their opinion as offensive as the forced relocation idea.

Stifling opinion in such a manner is not good for anyone.

No, I haven't played EQ, but I have played several and CMed another MMO. I am well aware that not all have the prescience to know how to handle the customerbase of the "new media". I am also not really talking about canned-content MMOs so much as user-created content services, however, MMOs also count in certain instances.

Guild Wars tends to have rather good feedback to and from the developers. Horizons (now Istaria) has, at times, had decent feedback with the developers, even though they had NO idea how to handle their customers in many instances, but that world has changed hands multiple times now, so it really doesn't even count as a MMO anymore. The MMO I CMed had awesome feedback and handling of the playerbase, but it was a small MMO, so we could give a lot more personal attention to the players. Still what made it was our policy of inclusion. It still runs today.



I am not in SL for "adult entertainment". Well, except that I am an adult, and I am looking to be entertained. But that's not the same thing. No, I am ready to leave because I am sick and tired of watching idiots ruin yet another promising virtual world from ham-fisted policy decisions and complete lack of comprehension of and empathy for their customerbase.



You're misinterpreting what I said. I am not "destroying the entire plan with one shot"; I am systematically deconstructing it one piece at a time. It is not in reference to effect, it is in reference to aim. For it to truly be an "ace", I'd need a RL sniper rifle, demand letter, and grassy knoll. As such, your interpretation is incorrect.



"Will only be"; you don't know that. In fact, LL doesn't even know for sure what it will take for access yet. They claim one thing today, but it was different not that long ago. What will it be next week? Stay tuned!

So far, we HAVE seen statistics of people patronizing adult clubs, and the MAJORITY are NPIOF. Read some of the previous comments in the various threads that posted the results of scans. The preponderance of that evidence, which is statistically significant, is that >50% are NPIOF. I'm helping my neighbor to set up one of these scanners as well, but I already have a really good idea what numbers we will see.



Yet only a TINY fraction are rated. No, I don't underestimate the numbers. Unrated movies simply aren't a part of that argument.



Yet again, you miss the point. They CURRENTLY aren't stepping on the other's toes. This won't change anything except to FORCE one group who isn't doing anything wrong into an exiled state, for the appeasement of the other. It isn't going to stop the exposure of the prudes to "adult content", since 1) it is impossible to police all possible exposure to it, and 2) not all "adult content" is being forced to move (yet -- give it another month or two).



Tangential. I am referring to the point that people HAVE been exposed to it voluntarily sometime in their lives.



I don't underestimate the RL opposition; they have demonstrated they are quite capable of gaining political power and forcing law after law through the legislative branch of our government only to watch them die a much-deserved death at the hands of the courts. Yet, they try again, and again. They won't be happy until they have repealed that pesky First Amendment, along with the Fourth, Fifth, etc.

However, I don't have to sit idly by and let them have at it unopposed. Nor will I stand idly by and let them try to screw up my preferred entertainment venue, especially when there is absolutely no reason for it to be screwed with.



So? IT IS ALREADY REGULATED IN SL. What part of this do you not understand? You CAN'T "do it" "out in public", even in MATURE REGIONS, as it stands RIGHT NOW! Try reading the Community Standards document sometime; it's a real eye-opener. Especially CS5.

this is simply not acceptable. My group has some 8768 Sq meters. We'd like groovy land on Ursula. BUt we don't have a whole sim- not even a quarter.

It would be completely unfair for LL to give us our parcel, taking up a small part of a sim, and then having a full sim owner have to shoehorn in around us.

Is this how LL repays the customers who pay the most tier fees? "First come, first served?"

The only fair way to do this is to take the re-located people, one at a time, starting with the biggest SQ meter holders, and working your way down to the 512's
Then for a limited time, and a gift for putting up with all the stress of having to move, allow the folks who were forced to move to tier up as much as they like, round out their holdings, buy vacant strips near them. *Before you put it up for general sale*.

That one perk will not only be doing something nice for the folks you have inconvenienced, but it might also help them defray the costs of the move and the lost custom from the new NPIOF access restrictions

After a set time during which the relocated residents can buy, trade and consolidate their parcels, *then* auction the remaining land off for whatever the market will bear.

And please, for the love of all that's holy, don't let people trade-in any plots *smaller than 512! I don't know about the rest of you folks here, but if I never saw another 16sqm divot in the middle of a nice parcel, marked for sale at a L$1000000, it'll be too soon.

I don't want land that has someone else's tiny ad farm in the middle of it.

LL has long talked about wanting to do something about this, and now's your chance.

I mean, does *anyone* know of a reason to own a 16sqm plot except real estate extortion or visual griefing?

I'll repeat- let people pick out their land in descending order based upon how much mainland they own.
They're the ones paying you the most- they're the ones who should go first.
If you do this in a "series of land rushes" all you'll accomplish is *really* angering the people who pay you the *most*.

Us little lot dwellers will get shoehorned in- we know that and for the most part, we accept it.
Granted, some of us are trying to talk Linden Labs into changing their policy in some major ways, because we see that it will do *nothing* that is intended, and meet *none* of LL's needs, unless their need is to anger their customers and lose money when they all tier down and go to basic accounts.
At the same time, the policy severely disrupts the smooth operation (such as it is) of Second life, and inconveniences a great many of your customers, both paying and non.

A simple cost-benefit analysis would seem to indicate that a different course of actions would be wiser, *including* dropping the whole thing and doing *nothing*.

Look, I really don't have a dog in this hunt- I'll actually be happy to move to a place where I'm surrounded by people who *expect* to see naughty, and who I don't have to be shy around. where I can let my hair down, ya know? Where I don't have to worry about the PG Sim next door.

But I don't like the consequences that *others* will have to go through, and I simply do not see how any rational comparison of costs and benefits can result in anyone thinking that this is a good idea.

You guys really need to finish the definition of affected content, and *then* do the numbers based on an in-world start screen survey, in all the languages of the user base.

Only releasing information on these forums and the blogs is the equivalent of keeping this situation secret. Once your users know what the deal is, I'm *more* than sure that they will give you all the feedback you could ever want on this subject, and more besides.

Please bring this up for consideration- LL really needs to go over this thing with a fine-toothed comb, being *extra* careful to make it as painless as possible, and I don't really see anyone from LL *doing* that. And considering LL's track record of customer treatment, they have a lot of lost trust they'll have to earn back from *all* of us.
ATM, When LL says "relatively painless" I trust that statement about as much as I'd trust a doctor telling me that while holding the Colonoscopy probe behind his back-


-V-

Good god man! We have to sleep sometimes, you know!

-V-

Well, Argent has submitted some pretty low level patches to the SL Viewier ( http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Source_contributions ) - low enough that it will also be in the third party Slviewer variants - so don't forget to include the SL Viewer and its variants in your boycott of Argent's stuff.

Matthew

Don't use sex areas that you have to pay for lol

I don't agree with this. Someone who bought mature land because it had no additional restrictions beyond what is prohibited anywhere in SL (but who does not currently have adult content) has as much a claim to a free move to the adult continent as those who do have adult content on their land.

Matthew

This is where it turns into a mindless witch hunt just because someone disagrees with your train of thought, how churlish and such an Elementary school mentality

People should be pulling together to try and lessen the impact of these changes not setting up witch hunts as that makes you no better than some of the ones that have been trolling here imho.

I second that What makes me most cross is those that are not in the adult business until now, then come spouting in the forums how bad it is for their business lol

To clarify.

At the moment you can set the access permissions on a parcel or estate level (but not at the region level) to

a) public access
b) PIU/PIOF
c) Aristotle verified (currently labelled age verified in the veiwer).

The KB articles at the moment indicate that if you have adult content on the land you should set the access to aristotle verified.

You can also set the land type at the parcel or region level to PG or Mature (but not at the estate level).

Under the new policy, LL will not change the access controls from those above, but will add the ability to set the land type at the parcel and region level to PG, Mature or Adult. If the land type is Adult, it will only allow access to those who have configured the viewer to allow them to see adult content (and this setting will only be available to those who are aristotle verified or PIU/PIOF).

If you have adult content, you will then be mandated to set the land type (at parcel or region level) to adult. You will not be required to use the access controls (at parcel or estate level).

However, I think there will be confusion by those thinking that when LL say you must flag land as adult to host adult content they mean you must use the access controls (rather than the land type), and I suspect that the existing KB articles about using the access controls will not get removed so adding to the confusion.

Given that the new adult land type essentially supercedes the existing access controls it would seems sensible to me for LL to remove the existing PIOF/PIU/Aristitotle access controls. The LSL scripting functions also need to be updated to reflect the new changes.

Matthew

Ya know V... I like you more by the post *grins* to repeat what i said thats since been lost oh about 8 pages back, lets repost what you said, add what i said... and see how many people will shup the bickering and stand together to make a point



Oh, and by the way Lord.. I agree with this....



a LOT of us have YEARS in the adult industry... The fact that so many people are *smutting it up* to simply get in on the new land...NOT as a support for Adult businesses, NOT because they want the freedom of it.. but SIMPLY so they can swap land, sit on it... and then make a huge profit.


OO and if it Matters... Just by Looking at the Map Blondin, I want Ursula 148. 5 years in SL, 3 years owning full sim... show me my loyalty isn't for naught.

~Brie

Exactly- What they *should* have done was to have an operational definition when they came to the table, instead of just empty hands and misconceptions.

At least then we would have had something to argue about rather that "Don't Do this"!

-V-

Ummm... What???

People can do that right *now* if they're not careful. All it takes is for one landowner who has not age-verified through Aristotle to set "admit only age-verified avatars" on his or her property.

IIRC all they get is a token to say you have been verified, they do not keep the information they have said and NO i am not hunting for the post but Blondin and others have said this. Now its up to the individual to believe it or not, but i think they wouldn't say that unless it was true.



agreed there



Agreed ID theft is a serious issue, i have never disagreed there



LL has said it is account verification not age verification and i am in agreement with account verification as it should have never been stopped in 2006 when they let everyone in with a throwaway email address



Account verification is not age verification. All people using the service should have verified their accounts as we used to have to do in the past, accountability is a good thing IMHO. LL was wrong opening the floodgates and should have seen that account verification would have created these and more problems now they are re introducing it.



Where did they say they will be collecting our private data, the law does not allow them to sell credit card numbers or paypal account details and they are not collecting SSN or passport numbers, the issue is with what potentially Aristotle does with this information, but as i have said i tried Aristotle out when they first introduced it in BETA and again i have not had any details passed onto a third party that has contacted me because of it, but that is just me though



I agree there should be an opt out button that says "please do not share my details with other parties", as Adobe and Time Warner did while i worked with them



It is not good enough for age verification because at 13 you can have a pre-paid CC inn the UK for instance, that is why this about account verification, not age verification, well that is what i have understood from the postings made, but many just want to keep going back to age verification and therefore run around in circles, people are doing what LL does with us and that is listen but not hearing lol



Account verification not age verification and LL have said they are not holding any private data on us and that CC/paypal info is enough to verify your account

Other than perhaps the MMO you were directly involved in, how many user created content MMO's are there? Any besides SL and a couple on the drawing boards?

Again, it is easy to generalize when it is not your assets or your company at stake.



If you are not in SL for the adult content, then why do you seem to be taking the position that you are the only such person or that the majority of such people agree with you? I agree that LL are handling this badly, but that is different from taking the position that they should do nothing.



Actually for a military definition of 'ace' wouldn't you would have to shoot them down 5 times? Lol. Actually I (appearantly foolishly) thought you were using a tennis analogy.. a shot so good that it cannot be defended against.

But my interpretation or your intent, you are still wrong. You feel you have systematicly deconstructed pieces of the LL plan, but since LL is continuing as if your arguements do not exist, you have deconstructed nothing. It is not you that you need to convince, nor is it those who are already opposed to this plan. It is LL. I am new to SL, but even I know that you cannot PVP here without the consent and involvement of your target. You have to get into a meaningful dialogue with LL and get them to take you seriously before you have a hope of doing anything more than be a cheering section.



I said it will be separate to those unwilling or unable to verify. How is that not true? If whatever they put in place is too difficult to get verification, more will be unable and/or unwilling. If too easy, then more will be able. It is true that I am making the assumption that some system will be put in place, but that is a neccessary assumption to keep this discussion in context.



And so far, those people have no incentive to verify via aristotle or become PIOF. It is not a given that if these restrictions go in place that the majority will simply say 'oh well' and walk away. If they have no money to spend, how, precisely, are they supporting these businesses? Now some will be turned away by perceived lack of anonymity, but that has not stopped politicians, celebrities, etc, and others with a lot to lose from using RL adult services, why would it automaticly stop people here?



Those that are unrated are direct to video and/or art films, not intended for public showings. This is actually an example of where adult content is not age verified for use in RL private homes.



How do you know? I don't either, but if nothing else presumably LL do some analysis of the AR's they get.



Voluntarily, and usually they have been exposed to some level of age verification too, even if it was ineffective.



See that is what I see as one of the perceptual problems here.. what you see as an absolute right, i.e. a right so strong that if cannot be restricted by an age check or zoning, RL society sees as merely a right, i.e. something that can exist, but can have some restrictions placed on it. Even in the relatively prudish US there are states with legalized brothels. If you are not careful how and where you pick your fights, you risk ending up with nothing.



You appearantly missed the part just after that where I said that doing so commercially (whether out in public or not) is usually regulated too. I put the out in public reference in there for the sake of completeness, nothing more.

Some people just can't see the wood for the trees

Jack Linden said it was to enable the growth of Ursula as it was asked at the meeting

Then you really need to rethink how picks work and are used in relevance ranking for search.


a) as the picture and description is by default taken from the land picture and description, and because of their importance in search, store owners are encouraging or sometime giving incentives for people to add the store to their picks. Visitors to adult locations are extremely likely to have adult content in their picks as many will be either unaware that they need to edit the pick to change the content, or even aware that they can edit the description and pictures of picks.

b) if you force people to edit the picks for adult locations, chances are people will not bother adding picks to adults places which will cause adult locations problems given the importance of picks in the search ranking

c) if the land description contains terms that are typical search terms for people trying to find such a location but which are deemed adult, these terms will have to be removed from the pick. This means that the picks would not increase the relevance ranking of that location for these important key terms (which completely wipes out the usefulness of picks in the ranking algorithms for adult key words!)

The same also applies to mature content or keywords for picks on mature land given that the profile is supposed to conform to PG! The only reason that things work at the moment if that people ignore the rule that profiles should be PG (or aren't even aware of it) and it is not actively enforced, and a large number of people will have non-PG content in their picks.

Matthew

No they didn't. That has been there for a year and the screwed it up from the start.