Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Katheryne Helendale
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04-17-2009 17:18
From http://www.massively.com/2009/04/14/massively-talks-with-upbeat-second-life-founder-philip-rosedale/From: Phillip Rosedale "I would bet that business meetings, both internal and external to companies, will shift largely to happening in VW's," Rosedale responded, "The productivity, travel cost, and green advantages are substantive and will give a competitive advantage to businesses that use them." Green advantages??? How much processing power is required to use traditional videoconferencing equipment vs. what is required to run a session in Second Life comfortably? Even if purely computer-based solutions were used, a voice conference with webcams over Yahoo still wouldn't require half the processing power (and therefore electrical consumption) as SL does. From: Phillip Rosedale "Any sufficiently open system to be interesting is going to necessarily have people doing things to themselves or others that are undesirable," Undesirable to *whom*, exactly?
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-17-2009 17:24
From: Robert Graf You might want to mention what biz's you are involved in Argent. I definitely would never want to do biz with or buy anything from you. lol  You probably using one or more things in SL on a regular basis that Argent made. Most people do whether they know it or not. 
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Rene Erlanger
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04-17-2009 17:26
Having read so many comments regarding this LL proposal over the last month, the below quote i found to be the most signifcant regarding this whole topic From: Very Keynes Decisions like this should not be made by Engineers, Accountants and Statisticians, they should be made by Sociologists, Psychologists and Philosophers.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 17:29
From: Couldbe Yue because I share a plot with someone who applied to do a hunt. I saw it but when I saw the hunt requirements saying no porn in very blunt terms I didn't apply but passed the info on.
She applied, even spoke to one of the organisers at the time she dropped the application over so the notecard was received.
The next thing I'm having a little thin lippedness at the organiser over on xsl where the organiser said that no shop would be accepted if it shared a sim with porn and went on to give her description of porn shops that sounded a lot like mine.. (she'd had a quick look at my wares I suspect (so to speak))
needless to say my fellow trader didn't get an invite to the hunt.
There was a huge emphasis on the no porn thing in the hunt requirements and let's face it my shop isn't pornographic in any real sense.
So, you there you have it. An avowed anti-porn, kid friendly hunt.
Yes, I have an agenda here. My choices are mine, others shouldn't be penalised for what I do or sell and I have no compunction about boycotting any shop that supported the position of the hunt. Interesting. Thank You. Please, I wasn't questioning you in any accusatory way, far from it. Based on what little interaction we have had here, I believe you to be very sincere and insightful, having principles as opposed to an agenda. I've been to your store, haven't bought anything *yet*, and can understand your being offended over this matter. I too would like to know more about this, as it goes against my principles on the subject as well. 
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Phoenix Welles
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04-17-2009 17:30
From: Robert Graf For those blog posters who are supporting/going along with the changes, it would be interesting to know what biz's they are involved with so residents like myself can avoid buying anything from them.  full disclosure then lol... I am in support of having a continent where there are greater restrictions to access adult content, but I was and still am against a forced move, but it seems that that is happening anyway. Even if the move was optional I would still be moving my adult venue to the new continent as a peace of mind measure to myself. Due to something that happened with a family member of mine on the internet I am very very very very paranoid about my adult content and the only reason I don't age restrict my parcels already is because of how wonky that system is and it actually shuts out more real customers than the kids who sneak onto the grid. Instead for my main art venue I made the way to get to the adult content down an out of the way ramp and somebody has to pass a number of mature content signs to get to it, that way they don't come across it without several warnings. that said, while I do support an adult continent... I will state again that I do not support a forced move and there are a number of point which concern me as a business person with this whole plan as it is. I am unhappy that more than a month into the process we still don't have clear definitions of what constitutes adult content, I am unhappy that there isn't more organizational planning (concerning the actual move) as to how this will actually move forward. I'm unhappy that this is being done at a time when real world economic variations are gonna cause a lot of people to close up because once the business can't support itself as it tries to reestablish itself the owner might not be able to make tier. So keep in mind that some of us 'going along' with the plan are also affected by it.  that said... my clothing store and my gallery are clearly listed in my picks, I think I even numbered them 1 and 2. if somebody wants to boycott me because I want to move the products of mine that I deem adult to an adult continent... well sorry to hear that. When this mess is over I hope you lift the ban cause my clothing store will still be right where it is, so will most of my gallery, and if you want to see my naughtier art I'll be moving it to ursula.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 17:30
From: Rene Erlanger Having read so many comments regarding this LL proposal over the last month, the below quote i found to be the most signifcant regarding this whole topic in society perhaps, but this is business
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Persephone Loon
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04-17-2009 17:35
From: Couldbe Yue Now that is very interesting. Can people from outside the US lodge a complaint and how long have you got between the the fraud is committed and the complaint is made?
I got scammed by them a couple of years ago though them holding back information whilst continuing to sell mainland, it would be very interesting to see what your nice gentleman thinks..
and of course all those people who bought openspace around the time of the announcement might be interested too.
of course the mainland issue is different. LL isn't selling the mainland, it belongs to residents who are selling it on. I think it's been quite a while since any mainland regions were released for sale by LL although I haven't checked for a while. If you are buying mainland by use of the auction system, then you ARE buying it from LL. There are plenty of smaller-than-region-size parcels being sold there. Persephone
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Katheryne Helendale
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04-17-2009 17:43
From: Milla Janick I'd like to see that list. Drop a copy to the *I* Am Adult Content Group, too. Or send it to whoever is in charge of the group to put it out as a group notice. That's probably a better idea. +1
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minoko Aeon
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04-17-2009 17:44
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What exactly do you mean by "first come, first serve"?
I have the knack of not logging on for a couple days, so if I'm late to the party and all the roadside is gone will I be expected to move to a flat green square? Or would I be put on a list for the next sim with road to come out?
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 17:48
From: Brenda Connolly Interesting. Thank You. Please, I wasn't questioning you in any accusatory way, far from it. Based on what little interaction we have had here, I believe you to be very sincere and insightful, having principles as opposed to an agenda. I've been to your store, haven't bought anything *yet*, and can understand your being offended over this matter. I too would like to know more about this, as it goes against my principles on the subject as well.  I know you weren't but I'm actually still seething about the xsl conversation. More so than what LL are trying to do. But after that conversation it became very clear that the moral majority *are* out there and they have no compunction about ditching the concept of tolerance. Which is why, despite being at the gardens of apollo end of the range of smut, I have no choice but to move if I want to stay in business. I did have to laugh about the reference to xcite though.. she obviously doesn't realise what those naughty kids get up to when they strap those things on  and digressing just a little... I didn't realise you were a kinky soul.. let me drop you over a little something that was a nice little taster from a hunt that I did last month. There's another adult one starting in a few hours time that I'm in (even I widened my eyes a little at some of the goodies.. I didn't realise portable lactation machines had made inroads here lol). The gift I have for that one is not so good. I've sort of lost the enthusiasm for this creation stuff since this started.  If anyone else want the playtoy (it's the same one as the offer last thread) just drop me a line and mention this thread and I'll send it whizzing over. At least everyone can have a little kinky fun while we wait for the iceberg 
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Robert Graf
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04-17-2009 17:49
From: Tabliopa Underwood You probably using one or more things in SL on a regular basis that Argent made. Most people do whether they know it or not.  Which makes my point. I am all for full disclosure. That way we can all make informed buying decisions. If you support the changes stand up tall and admit it. Announce your biz name(s) for all to see. Be proud of your support of LL's decision making. People can then choose whether or not to support your inworld biz. My biz name is Graf Rentals Yacht Club and anyone who isn't a small-minded prude is welcome anytime! 
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-17-2009 17:54
From: Robert Graf Which makes my point. I am all for full disclosure. That way we can all make informed buying decisions. If you support the changes stand up tall and admit it. Announce your biz name(s) for all to see. Be proud of your support of LL's decision making. People can then choose whether or not to support your inworld biz. My biz name is Graf Rentals Yacht Club and anyone who isn't a small-minded prude is welcome anytime!  I not disagree with you about disclosure. Is just that not everyone is aware to read the details of stuff they use. Like the creators name for instance.
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minoko Aeon
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04-17-2009 17:59
Wouldn't it be great if the "municipal" builds included things like a place for all the freelance escorts to work? or a porn theatre? I mean hell if it's gonna be adult only land than smut it up downtown!
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 18:02
From: Couldbe Yue I know you weren't but I'm actually still seething about the xsl conversation. More so than what LL are trying to do. But after that conversation it became very clear that the moral majority *are* out there and they have no compunction about ditching the concept of tolerance. Which is why, despite being at the gardens of apollo end of the range of smut, I have no choice but to move if I want to stay in business. I did have to laugh about the reference to xcite though.. she obviously doesn't realise what those naughty kids get up to when they strap those things on  and digressing just a little... I didn't realise you were a kinky soul.. let me drop you over a little something that was a nice little taster from a hunt that I did last month. There's another adult one starting in a few hours time that I'm in (even I widened my eyes a little at some of the goodies.. I didn't realise portable lactation machines had made inroads here lol). The gift I have for that one is not so good. I've sort of lost the enthusiasm for this creation stuff since this started.  If anyone else want the playtoy (it's the same one as the offer last thread) just drop me a line and mention this thread and I'll send it whizzing over. At least everyone can have a little kinky fun while we wait for the iceberg  I haven't read the xsl thread yet, I'm saving that for bedtime. As for being a kinky soul, perhaps slightly twisted is a better description. I am not as fully immersed as many of you fine people probably are, but I am the adventurous sort, and exploration in that realm does appeal to a certain side of me. I enjoy many things in SL, and that is one of them. I look forward to logging in later and receiving your gift. 
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-17-2009 18:04
From: Couldbe Yue in society perhaps, but this is business Not extortionate robbery? Or war? Or rape? Or apartheid? I smell totalitarism 10 000 miles against the wind, even when it comes camouflaged in grey suits and with weapons of mass discrimination masked as brown bags.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:11
From: Brenda Connolly I haven't read the xsl thread yet, I'm saving that for bedtime. As for being a kinky soul, perhaps slightly twisted is a better description. I am not as fully immersed as many of you fine people probably are, but I am the adventurous sort, and exploration in that realm does appeal to a certain side of me. I enjoy many things in SL, and that is one of them. I look forward to logging in later and receiving your gift.  The post in itself is quite tame. I almost bit my tongue off trying not to get into a slanging match with her. The only thing I couldn't resist was a dig about encouraging kids onto the grid.. grrr. really it's just grrr all round.. I'm getting bad tempered about all of this..
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Robert Graf
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04-17-2009 18:13
From: Couldbe Yue The post in itself is quite tame. I almost bit my tongue off trying not to get into a slanging match with her. The only thing I couldn't resist was a dig about encouraging kids onto the grid..
grrr. really it's just grrr all round.. I'm getting bad tempered about all of this.. Don't get mad.... Get even.... lol 
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Deltango Vale
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04-17-2009 18:15
From: Very Keynes Decisions like this should not be made by Engineers, Accountants and Statisticians, they should be made by Sociologists, Psychologists and Philosophers. As an economic historian, how could I disagree  I have long believed that Linden Lab should establish an advisory council at Board level that contains the following professionals: - neoinstitutional/experimental/neoclassical economist - economic/political historian - science fiction writer - systems engineer - evolutionary biologist/sociologist/neurologist/psychologist - lawyer (jurisprudence) - strategist (commercial/military) - journalist - film producer I also think it would be smart for LL to monitor these fora 24/7 and provide an abstract of the day's conversations to senior management. No doubt, there are a slew of metrics that could be devised to measure customer sentiment across SL. In my opinion, it's time for Linden Lab to turn pro.
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Talarus Luan
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04-17-2009 18:16
From: Romaq Rosher Is that what you want? Is that your target goal, Argent? You want to push me into shutting up and letting the whole damned mess drop straight into the crapper without my involvement? Would that please you? Would that bolster your ego sufficient to justify your time dealing with this swill? It sure as hell doesn't please me at all. Not you, not the Lindens, not this whole sordid mess. I've got other things to do with my entertainment time.
So... Argent, you want to keep pushing the "If you are not 100% in agreement with me, you must be totally against me" button? You go right on ahead. You want me to just STFU and drop involvement in this? Just the word, and you have it. I've already looked around in hopes of seeing what I came for, and it doesn't look bloody likely I'll find it. You want to 'win' this debate? Would you find it a suitable penis extension? You got it. Holy misdirected hyperbole, Batman! Argent's probably the LAST person you should be chiding for that.  What? Rosy news fluff from the same jerkoffs that were talking about how great the housing bubble had become back before the crash last year? How EVERYONE was making SO MUCH MONEY?? "Fortune" makes better buttwipe than copy.
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Phoenix Welles
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04-17-2009 18:19
From: Couldbe Yue grrr. really it's just grrr all round.. I'm getting bad tempered about all of this.. /me gives Couldbe a hug
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-17-2009 18:21
From: Deltango Vale As an economic historian, how could I disagree  I have long believed that Linden Lab should establish an advisory council at Board level that contains the following professionals: - neoinstitutional/experimental/neoclassical economist - economic/political historian - science fiction writer - systems engineer - evolutionary biologist/sociologist/neurologist/psychologist - lawyer (jurisprudence) - strategist (commercial/military) - journalist - film producer I also think it would be smart for LL to monitor these fora 24/7 and provide an abstract of the day's conversations to senior management. No doubt, there are a slew of metrics that could be devised to measure customer sentiment across SL. In my opinion, it's time for Linden Lab to turn pro. And people like this man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Weibel
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 18:24
From: Deltango Vale As an economic historian, how could I disagree  I have long believed that Linden Lab should establish an advisory council at Board level that contains the following professionals: - neoinstitutional/experimental/neoclassical economist - economic/political historian - science fiction writer - systems engineer - evolutionary biologist/sociologist/neurologist/psychologist - lawyer (jurisprudence) - strategist (commercial/military) - journalist - film producer I also think it would be smart for LL to monitor these fora 24/7 and provide an abstract of the day's conversations to senior management. No doubt, there are a slew of metrics that could be devised to measure customer sentiment across SL. In my opinion, it's time for Linden Lab to turn pro. If you ask me, couple of graduates from McDonald's Hamburger U would improve LL's business practices.
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Deltango Vale
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04-17-2009 18:29
From: Brenda Connolly If you ask me, couple of graduates from McDonald's Hamburger U would improve LL's business practices. Agree. Consider one added to the list.
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Milla Janick
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04-17-2009 18:32
From: Brenda Connolly If you ask me, couple of graduates from McDonald's Hamburger U would improve LL's business practices. We could have virtual McRibs!
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:33
From: Brenda Connolly I haven't read the xsl thread yet, I'm saving that for bedtime. As for being a kinky soul, perhaps slightly twisted is a better description. Best kind I always think  I'll let you into a secret, this side of the fence is as dull as the other side.. the majority just find their rut and stay in it.. absolutely nooooo sense of adventure  /me runs for cover as she realises she's just offended pretty well everyone.. lol
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