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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 18:35
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:35
/me gives Couldbe a hug Thank you ![]() Since the lovely Blondin forgot to come back today with the next 8, shall I break out the fizz and the chocs?? It's going to be a long wait until Monday... _____________________
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04-17-2009 18:35
/me runs for cover as she realises she's just offended pretty well everyone.. lol _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 18:36
Best kind I always think ![]() ![]() /me runs for cover as she realises she's just offended pretty well everyone.. lol He he. Adventure is what it's all about, boldly going and all that infinitive splitting. I'll try most anyting once. *At least in SL. _____________________
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:38
Jumps under the covers with Couldbe. gives Deltango a hug ![]() _____________________
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04-17-2009 18:38
I am in support of having a continent where there are greater restrictions to access adult content, but I was and still am against a forced move, but it seems that that is happening anyway. That about sums up my view. I support restrictions on adult material, but think the way The Lab is doing this is brain dead. Assuming none of the other options are viable and that a move is something that must happen ... they should have kept completely silent while they went around and made a list of who needs to move, and then offered those people a sweet deal on a really cool and well built continent. Give them some ownership in what sort of deal they will get ... more land, more prims, abatement of land use fees for a period ... something that lets them be a greater part of the process. I think the biggest mistake opponents make is assuming that those supporting restrictions are somehow looking down on them, or viewing them as second-rate citizens ... or even care at all that they are in the porn business. While I'm sure some do, I would venture that the greater number could care less what you make, watch or do ... and if you are making money here, more power to you! There are actually people here that believe that unrestricted, uncontrolled and unregulated, hard core ponography on the open grid, is like The Lab walking on a train track, waiting for the engine to smack them on the face. |
Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:42
the resident choice awards have just come out..
https://secure-web12.secondlife.com/resident-choice-awards/? sadly Stepford didn't win most popular place ![]() _____________________
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04-17-2009 18:45
gives Deltango a hug ![]() _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 18:47
I think Adult content should be in it's proper place as well, where those who want it can enjoy it and those who don't won't see it. That's just comon sense. I just don't like hearing the word "restricted" used in the context. It just furthers the mindset that there is something wrong or shameful about it. I'm of no particular religious persuasion, and don't want to proseletyzed to, but I wouldn't say I want religious, or any content, restricted. Just semantics, I know, but sometimes how something is said makes all the difference.
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Vorren Voltaire
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04-17-2009 18:51
Take it to the team, take one for the team, blow some more SMOKE up everyone's asses. LL needs to stop and think this whole transfer of land thing thru. Lets see... you lose one customer at 195$ USD land tier, oh well. you lose 200... that's a Loss. Are you guys prepared for that? Burning life is in NO WAY comparable to whats happening here. That was land, for a limited time, for a specific event. Whats happening to US is 100% Different. Your not talking a limited excursion to a new land, your talking about uprooting HUNDREDS of people from land they personally picked, and FORCING Them to Either 1. Close down their adult businesses or 2. Move. period, those are our choices. You give us no answers, no time line, nothing concrete, you dance around issues, and you basically treat us all like we are sub-human second class citizens. I realize you got stuck on the short end of the stick, and probably drew the short straw to get stuck with this, but here's where i start to lose my patience and understanding. I am an escort. I have run, successfully, for 3 years, on a full Sim, an escort agency. I have paid land tier, for 3 years. I don't expect any more than anyone else... to be treated fairly. If i have NO CHOICE but to close my business, which has, and STILL IS, Legal to run in SL as no changes to the TOS has been incurred, or MOVE, the LEAST You can do is pay attention to what we are saying. 1. It has been stated that 9 days will be allowed move. It is entirely unfeasible. There are many full sim owners that simply can not pack up and move a full or even ½ sim in that allotted time. We propose a changed time limit of 30 days minimum, for anyone owning more than 2048 land. The original 9 days could be applied to anyone owning less than this amount. This allows existing businesses to still remain in business while the new location is being built and set up. 2. It has also been stated that LL will not charge a *duel* land tier while the swap is underway. While this is acceptable, there is also the time that we, current paying residents of SL, have to invest to rebuild/move. In compensation for this time lost, we respectfully request one months land tier credit, to compensate for our time, and loss of business this move will incur. 3. In consideration of the land swap, all group owned land choice should be given to the current group owner, or top contributor of donated land in the group. HOW HARD IS IT??????? For the love of all that's freaking unholy, for ONCE, show your CUSTOMERS some consideration. Perfectly stated and worth repeating. (and I have, and will again) |
Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:52
Gods, it's tempting to add some adult content to this thread. Thinks about this while nibbling Couldbe's earlobe. /me moves my head slightly to one side so you can get to the bits I forgot to wash this morning.. ok.. eeewwww factor I know, but I couldn't help it ![]() _____________________
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Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:54
Just for disclosure I have no business to boycott. ![]() That's ok, you can have one of mine and we'll boycott that.. I really have to flip back to the viewer and finish off what I need to do tonight.. you lot are distracting me!! _____________________
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-17-2009 18:55
I dunno, some of the advertisiing you see here may not be soft core porn per se, but it is highly sexualized. A lot of the television shows themselves are bordering on soft core. That is what I meant by 'not normally', but you likely understood what I meant. There is a line in RL between what is used in commercials and is not. Implying there is no such line by equating RL use of titilation to sell products with that provided by the adult entertainment industry is not likely furthering any arguement against these changes. |
Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 18:58
That is what I meant by 'not normally', but you likely understood what I meant. There is a line in RL between what is used in commercials and is not. Implying there is no such line by equating RL use of titilation to sell products with that provided by the adult entertainment industry is not likely furthering any arguement against these changes. clamping down on ads is not rl though. I can open any newspaper and see small ads for escort agencies et al. and ads seems to be where they're being harshest. _____________________
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Bambi Newall
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04-17-2009 19:01
Thank god i don't live in the USA then ![]() I wonder what the actual odds are for having ones identity stolen though in the grand scheme of things? Back to the topic in hand ![]() Well, this is an important issue here because when LL requires people to age-verify, and maintains a permanent record of the confidential privacy info, it simply exposes the users to potential damage if such records were ever misused. If someone stole your credit card info, all you need is to cancel the credit card, and you can start anew. But if someone stole your identity info, there is no way you can cancel your identity and start anew!!! Your stolen info will be used by anyone forever until the day you die. What is most worrisome is that if someone get a hold of your identification info, all your bank account can be compromised. Why? Because all they need is to authenticate/impersonate as you. This is one of the most common methods for hackers to break into an account by claiming that you forgot your password, and use your identification info to get access to your account. They can wipe out your SL account or your bank account in a blink of an eye. This is a serious issue when LL imposes this requirement onto their users. There is no law that requires them to age-verify anyone as adult in the US to access anything on the internet. They are not required by law to age-verify the internet user to access adult materials. That is why none of the adult porno website require any age-verification whatsoever, except a button where you can click and admit that you are over 18 years of age. The Child Online Protection Act (COPA) had been struck down by the US Supreme Court, and no one is required to show proof of adult to access adult material on the internet anymore. But why are they still insisting on requiring age-verification that no law requires of them? This is an UNDUE BURDEN, and an UNETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICE to potentially compromise their customer's confidential privacy information, and to collect their privacy info permanently. Most importantly, there is no law that PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY INFO once they COLLECTED them. There is NO LAW that PROHIBITS THEM from disclosing your privacy info, or selling them to a third party. It is entirely up to their discretion to do whatever they want to do with your privacy. What those privacy policy said about "sharing info with their affiliates" is essentially saying that they can LEGALLY SELL your info to anyone they do business with. This is the most troubling aspect of the age-verification requirement, not to mention their data-mining ability. Credit card info is more than sufficient if they want to show evidence of adulthood. Collecting confidential government-issued identification card info for age-verification is opening door to losing your identity that cannot be withheld later once it is disclosed to LL, to the criminals or to the general public. |
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04-17-2009 19:04
/me moves my head slightly to one side so you can get to the bits I forgot to wash this morning.. ok.. eeewwww factor I know, but I couldn't help it ![]() _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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04-17-2009 19:12
I think this wins the shortest-first-date award. At least in Modern times. _____________________
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-17-2009 19:18
Oh, of course. They are under no OBLIGATION to release anything more than legally required to (next to nothing in this case). It's not about OBLIGATION, though. It is about RESPECT and it is about SERVICE, of their customers. They have no obligation to even be TALKING with us about this change. However, that extreme I think we all agree would end up with the end of SL as we know it. My point was that very few other industries provide such information publicly. The reason is usually not a lack of respect, but the fact that it gives competitors information and that such reports may contain information that might scare away or upset investors. It is easy to call for full disclosure from the outside as someone who would not likely be adversely affected by it. THERE WILL BE OTHER, BETTER VIRTUAL WORLDS. It is not a given that they will be as liberal as SL is, even despite these changes. That is not to say they would not be run better, or have better graphics engines and/or design tools. It is easy to make the case that they would be run better. LL gets high marks for trying in this regard, but the constant admixture of regular amounts of EPIC FAIL into the process taints the whole service. For which they deserve a ton of criticism. Personally I think people should lighten up the fight on the adult content question and press on the lack of professionalism. Maybe, but the point is they don't HAVE to risk it! They don't. If they are looking to this as a way to tap into a new market, they DON'T have to do it at the expense of their EXISTING one. Well, unless they want to, of course. They do if they want it 'all'.. and all the policing they would have to do for mature and/or PG lands they would still have to do whether those are separate worlds or the same. By keeping them the same world, they have some place they can send those who are unwilling to comply to whatever 'decency' standards they set (I wish there was a better word handy there.. 'decency' sounds prejudicial, but it is a standard use of the word). That way they may be able to keep those customers. They can very easily go the "DisneyLand theme park" route. They could, but the film industry has somehow managed to keep a lot more different ratings than this maintained. There is room for something between adult and PG. Yeah, but the current market segment that LL caters to is majority adult. Not everyone has "adult content" on their land; But the majority in RL are not adult entertainment patrons, yet still watch mature content on prime time TV. That does not mean that they *are* virtual world patrons, but they are a potential market. Oh, absolutely, and it's our wallet we can happily walk away with, too. ![]() Agreed.. and if LL botches this up badly enough, they will lose it all, the majority of the adult content lost without any compensating gain. |
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04-17-2009 19:21
clamping down on ads is not rl though. I can open any newspaper and see small ads for escort agencies et al. and ads seems to be where they're being harshest. Those ads are 'officially' just for escort agencies. Agencies that are proven to be more are occassionally shut down. Usually officials just turn a blind eye to them, but not always. None of them actually advertize sex.. at least not here. I don't know about areas where brothels are legal. |
Couldbe Yue
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04-17-2009 19:22
I think this wins the shortest-first-date award. Well, console yourself with the fact that it was quite possibly Couldbe's first date. She doesn't get out much..and after discovering that there are those out there with a taste for vore, I'm taking no chances. These days there's no knowing where a gentle nibble will lead ![]() anyway, the popularity of girl on girl is such that we'd have all manner of undesirables hanging around within a few minutes.. This is sl, so covers are no protection from prying eyes.. _____________________
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04-17-2009 19:23
Credit card info is more than sufficient if they want to show evidence of adulthood. _____________________
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04-17-2009 19:25
I tend to agree with this. I saw a TV documentary last night where they interviewed the last six people on Earth who don't have a credit card. It seems a new tribe was discovered in the Brazilian rainforest and, if you can believe it, six of them still don't have credit cards. I love documentaries. They're better off. Look what the little plastic parasites have done to the rest of us. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-17-2009 19:29
You might want to mention what biz's you are involved in Argent. I definitely would never want to do biz with or buy anything from you. lol ![]() _____________________
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04-17-2009 19:32
If you don't want to support Linden Labs, the only way you can do that effectively is to quit using Second Life. That would also, by happy coincidence, ensure that you don't do business with me again. How often do you get a double-win like that? ![]() _____________________
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04-17-2009 19:36
Smooth. Very smooth. I've been waiting an hour to see your reply ![]() _____________________
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