Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

The troublesome aspect of it is that LL now puts an extra layer of age-verification requirement (check-box) on top of the PIU requirement. That means, credit card info is insufficient to get into your own adult parcel.

This was never disclosed in their plan until now.

The side-effect is that if you are a landowner who is credit card verified in your own adult parcel, you can ban yourself out of your own land if you are not age-verified!!!

Have you a fan club?? If not, I think it's time we started one

You can do that now.

According to Blondin this morning, PIOF will be sufficient to access adult content, or did I miss something?

Hang out in RA a bit more. You'll change your mind on that.


JOKING!!!!!!!!!!

I noticed that bit of silliness last night. It quite knocked me out of my chair. Why do I have an irresistible urge to ask Linden Lab to formulate high-level policy on the following general issues: abortion, the death penalty, climate change and stem cell research? Too many anchovies on my pizza?

Few other industries interact with the customer (such that the customer is actually producing the lion's share of the product the company is hawking) to the level that online games / virtual worlds do, either. Of those that do, the good ones will be found heavily interacting with their customers on many levels, involving them on a regular basis.

In this instance, we need full disclosure, because they are attempting to get our buy-in for the policy changes. I mean, what other choice do they, and we, have? They either demonstrate to us the need for these changes, and show us the respect we're due, or we walk. It's not all black and white, there's a middle ground between those two extremes, but where are they drawing the line? Clearly, they aren't drawing it on our side here.



It's not a given that they won't be, either.



I'm for acing them on both accounts, myself. One as an instance of the other, more systemic failure.



I never said separate worlds, but Ursula WILL be a "separate world", to which many "adults" won't even be able to go until they find a way to "prove" themselves to LL, which there is no guarantee it will always work, or work well.

No, the way they are going now is already alienating their customers wholesale, and is only going to get worse, because when it becomes time, with the ridiculous plans they have already proposed, there's going to be a LOT more upset people than what we have here. At least we're prescient enough to know it is coming just this far in advance. For many, it will be sprung upon them at the last minute, and they are simply going to say "screw it; bye!".



If the movie industry was full of viewer-created content, I might agree, but they aren't, so there is no need to exceed what we currently have. I certainly don't want a bunch of sex clubs dictating my experiences in SL, nor do I care to have a gaggle of prudes do the same. We have lived together quite peaceably now for years. This change won't really fix anything significant, but it will seriously impact a lot of residents and businesses, and unnecessarily so.



I don't know very many people (real, actual adults) who haven't partaken of content that would be considered "adult" under Blondin's various personal definitions at some point. Even when I worked for a large Fortune-50 corporation, we had sales reps from other large corporations taking us out to local strip bars for "lunch", handing us cash to stick in the girls' g-strings. Unless you're a puritannical amoeba, who reproduces solely by fission, you've most likely partaken of "adult content" quite a number of times in your life.

Just because it is called the "Missionary Position" doesn't make it not "adult content".

*click*

Watches as the oscillating fan blows more hot air towards Brenda.

Is it just me or did Ursula pretty much double in size today?

The Reactionary Anarcho-Capitalist Argent Stonecutter fan club (TRACAS).

*Presses submit and drapes a damp bath towel over her computer monitor. Considers starting a flame war with Talarus to get out of this jam*

I love the way they put Ursula 100 billion miles away from the other continents. Visualizes someone at LL, arm outstretched, holding a piece of rotten fish between his thumb and forefinger.

actually, somebody thought it was a good idea to turn back on the snow where I'm at so I brought spiked hot chocolate. Want some?

They added the extra layer of permission at the parcel level:


That means PIU can be insufficient. You have to have adult-verification at the parcel level.
If you are the landowner, and accidentally checked that bottom box, and you are only CC verified, you will ban yourself out of your own parcel.

Yes...

1/3 is down at the moment (red on map), but they attached maybe 100 new sims or more...

and as longer I look... this thing starts to get the form of rl-Europe...

how nice...the Alps, GB, Germany, Austria, river Rhein, river Elbe, lake Constance...they made also very exact..., french coast, - I miss Spain/Portugal, Italy and Scandinavia...but then it is complete.

So, the message is: Holy Saint Ursula = Europe = the new famous smut continent...

Thank you Linden Lab! But don't forget: you are in majority all sons and daughters from Europeans, not fallen from the sky and not brought be the stork, hahahahaha

Worse yet, if your estate owner set the Age-verified flag on your estate, and you are only CC verified, you cannot get into your own land.

It means even if your own land is set at PIU, if your estate is age-verification required, you are out of luck. You cannot enter your own parcel.

You can be blocked by this extra layer of permission by your own estate owner after you purchased your land if your estate owner don't like you.

So this extra layer of Age-Verified Adults on top of PIU happens at 2 levels:
* at the estate level
* at the parcel level

spiked?? something nice I hope..

but it's 4.30am here and the typist has done her shopkeeper duties for the night and is calling it quits. Hold that thought though.. and the mug

night all, see you back in the bearpit soon

Those boxes are there now.

from the Jack Quote sounds like it will be a Vegas look a like and from what I saw on the map exactly

The way they implement this, Age-verified is not equivalent to PIU/PIOF.
There are 3-gates:
* Estate
* Region
* Parcel

and there are 2-level of permission in all these gates:
* PIU/PIOF (CC verified)
* Age-verified (Aristotle verified)

You have to get pass 2-level of permission in each gate at estate/sim/parcel level to get to your own land.

In other words, if you estate requires age-verification (Aristotle check), no sims that belong to that estate owner can be entered, even if you are CC verified land owner.

Further, if the sim requires age-verification by Aristotle, no one can enter that sim or any parcel within that sim even if you are CC verified land owner.

Then, there is the last level at the parcel where you set the permission to everyone else to get to your land.

You only have control over who you let in at the parcel, but that permission can be trumped by your estate owner, and you can be blocked out of your own land if any of the permission at the region/estate level is stricter than your own parcel.

That is, CC verified can mean nothing.

alot of stuff in the Vatican would be unfit for general consumption. correct?

... that said, is it not correct to say that the people who have control over this mandate are the same people who would usurp established religion? Damn.

[Insert heavy sarcasm combined with Dennis Hopper impression ]
Well, yeah, but voice is just so.... *cool*! I mean it's all "star trek" holodeck stuff. It's the digital future, man... It's the virtual frontier! It's the crest of the info-wave that's about to come crashing down on us in a burst of cold, new reality, man. It's like, reality *squared* man. Pictures *plus* sound! It'll revolutionize communication, business, religion, philosophy, and particle physics, man!

Seriously,man... it's the coolest

[End Sarcasm]


Yeah, I'm wondering about the whole "voice" thing too. Especially when the questions we agreed upon beforehand Why not take 20 minutes to each answer all the questions, and then another 40 minutes discussing the answers amongst yourselves, and getting a bunch of *notecards* together to hand out *before* the brown bag, and then people can ask you, via text chat, about the *actual* answers that you've decided reflect actual policy.

Try to keep it relevant LL. You don;t need to use this issue as a way to get to play with all your cool "meeting toys". A simple FAQ that has more than the scattered, contradictory opinions of several people who have nothing *official* to say would be the best way to do this.

While you're at it, get your butts in gear quit dinking around with cool builds on Ursula, and get us a freaking *definition* of the content that will be affected, please.

-V-

Typing is dangerous. It creates evidences and quoteable material. While the spoken word counts nothing. It is just sound, blown in the wind. Additional to that they mumble without taking breath like buddhistic monks in their fast, chewing-gum trained and twisted cowboy english wich sounds like gneeaaanggneeeanggneeeanggneeeang for 99,9% of the world population.

I have no clue about what they talk at the brown bags since I learned oxford english in school some 24 years before and forgot 2/3 along the years. (God shave the Queen, by the way) I live here at the forum from a german/english online tranlation website and I need hours for halfway meaningful sentences, wich is a reason why I write mostly nonsense. But I have luck: the nonsense wich came from LL so far, is not to top, even not for me, wich results in the nice effect: in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Funny thing- I've never had my lag meter give me a red reading for anything but "client", or "network". Server is always rock-solid green all the time, never yellow even- always an unwavering green. Needless to say, this makes me suspect that the lag meter is a less than useful tool.

And before anyone asks, My computer could run 4-5 different windows of SL( before they fixed the SLURL bug) without blinking.

Yet somehow, the lag meter always says it's my *computer's* fault that things are moving so slow.

-V-

All of my previous posts were meant to illustrate how ridiculous all of this is. It's a joke, Argent. Get it? lol! It's an experiment in how rats in a cage will turn on each other instead of their keeper. Pitting one group against another group. Each taking sides against the other. Warring. Fighting. Black Listing. Boycotting. Tearing each other down. Seems some folks here really take all this way too seriously. Reading these posts and commenting have been the most fun I have had in SL in months! I can't wait to see what comes next. Maybe LL will force us all to stand on our heads and click our heels 3 times to login. Immediately 2 sides will form. Those opposed to head standing and those for it. And we are all off to the races again. I can't wait for the next big change announcement. Peace Brother! lol

You do not play EQ much (if at all). Lately there has been better disclosure but even then the devs refuse to provide much in the way of details behind changes. Most of the information used for discussions are player generated parses. I doubt warcraft has any better disclosure. It is possible, I do not know that it does not. City of Heroes has rather good disclosure, but is relatively small. What online worlds can you cite as examples where the level of disclosure is what you feel it should be?




That is quite a bet, but as a consumer, you save money if you do not spend it on any given form of entertainment, so the cost to you is just the entertainment you lose. And if you are that ready to give up on SL as adult entertainment, is it really as strong a market as claimed?



With due respect, if you were acing either, LL would have abandoned their plans. Presenting arguements you consider aces does not equal them being aces.



It will only be separate to those unable or unwilling to verify. It is not a given that will be the majority. If you have data to prove otherwise, then present it to LL. Not merely anecdotal information, but a properly collected survey.



There is a very high risk of that, but to me it is primarily due to the clumsy, unprofessional manner in which they are handling all this.



Do you have any idea the volume of movies produced? Not the number that make the big screen.. the actual volume, including art films, clips posted to youtube (which is censored), etc? I think you underestimate the numbers.



Well the sex clubs will dictate their content and the gaggle of prudes theirs... somewhere in between LL is trying to zone things so that each is not stepping on the other's toes, or at least so they can (hopefully) act more decisively when they do.



Indeed, I have been to such places too. But there is a difference between not banning and not restricting access to. A friend who was not underage was kicked out of one because they did not accept his military ID (which was nuts... it was legitimate ID.. the point is they did check).

I have also mourned the passing of many such clubs.. they have been slowly disappearing RL due to gentrification of the downtown core (part of why I have been saying not to underestimate the RL opposition).



If you try that position naked in public, with or without another person, or try to charge for participation/viewing or advertize charging for same whereever, it is considered adult content by pretty much every country in the world. That does not mean it is banned, but at the very least it is likely different licensing.

I would add "Improvisational comedian", "Chaos Theoretician", and another Science Fiction Writer (you have to have two on every panel- not sure where that rule comes from, but look at every Con *ever*- always at least 2 of them. It's like Cheerios, or something).

-V-