Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Robert Graf
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04-18-2009 11:52
From: Tcko Cazalet I think that there is a lot of money at stake...why else would SL be this stupid They were promised X amount of dollars to clean up SL by someone...but at the same time they KNOW if they told us the truth most would probably leave...they want to hang onto our dollars as long as they can...then after whatever company or organization see's that SL followed through and they get the money then they more or less abandon us and could care less if we go or stay! THAT'S why it isn't on the logon screen...MHO Well put! After the changes are implemented I predict an IPO with the top lindens and their minions cashing out big before the crash. lol
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-18-2009 11:58
From: Robert Graf They want to control the debate. Look at this blog as an example of that. Only those voices that are "approved" are tolerated. Anyone not "OG" enough or who hasn't contributed to the SL viewer code is flamed. lol  Robert, you're not being flamed because your views are contrary to the accepted truth. You're being flamed because you're acting like a jerk. I say this with ALL due respect, honestly, and with no intentional malice... the reaction you are seeing to your comments is the same reaction you would receive no matter what your views if they were presented with that tone and attitude.
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Matthew Dowd
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04-18-2009 12:06
From: Bambi Newall May I ask, is Linden Governor not *the* Estate Owner in Mainland or Ursula that has control over Gate I who can turn Age-verified ON? Indeed - but under the current Adult content proposal there is no more intention for Governer Linden to turn Aristotle verification on at the estate level, than there is to turn that checkbox on for mature or PG land. LL has had the ability to restrict the entire mainland to Aristotle verified accounts since 2007, and to PIU/PIOF accounts since 2006 but no-one has seriously worried that this would happen (certainly not without a lot of warning) From: someone By the same token, if a private island Estate Owner chooses to restrict access to Age-verified only, are your PIU/PIOF useless even if you are an adult who owns the land in the adult land?
Indeed - but an estate owner is not required by LL to turn that restriction on under the new Adult content proposal even if the land contains Adult content (provided that the land is Flagged as Adult in its Maturity setting. From: someone A simple scenario: You bought some adult land from an estate owner in private island, you build your adult paradise, your estate owner then turn Age-verified on, are you not blocked out of your own adult land if your adulthood is only PIU/PIOF?
That scenario has been the case since 2007, in that an estate owner has been able to set an estate to Aristotle verified only (even if the estate was PG) since then, and indeed before that, it has always been the case that an estate owner could suddenly restrict the estate to PIU/PIOF only (again regardless of whether the estate was PG or Mature) or even block access to anyone etc. However, there is no compulsion from LL on an estate owner to actually do this (unless LL policy changes) and it is not in the best interests of an estate owner who wishes to retain customers and attract new customers through reputation to do this unless absolutely necessary - so if you are renting land from a reasonable estate owner there should not be a problem (if you are renting land from an unreasonable estate owner this will only be one of many problems). Also given the number of PIU/PIOF accounts is larger than Aristotle verified, so an estate owner is restricting their potential market, so again they are unlikely to apply this restriction unless LL changes its proposed policy and makes it mandatory to do so. Matthew
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Robert Graf
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04-18-2009 12:09
From: Argent Stonecutter Robert, you're not being flamed because your views are contrary to the accepted truth. You're being flamed because you're acting like a jerk. I say this with ALL due respect, honestly, and with no intentional malice... the reaction you are seeing to your comments is the same reaction you would receive no matter what your views if they were presented with that tone and attitude. And you don't see me flaming you do you? Why do you care so much about what I have to say? I get it that you and those like you want to limit debate to just the "accepted truth". My point is what do you all have to fear from LL announcing these changes on the login screen and opening up this blog to comments from everyone. A broader cross section of opinion needs to be heard here or it's just more of the same old bs. And as far as tone and attitude if you want respect you need to give it. Don't demand respect of others if you don't give it. 
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Tcko Cazalet
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hahahaha
04-18-2009 12:17
I don't believe it.....uh yes I do
I made a 100mx50m sky sign....directing people to this thread....guess what? They greyed it out...no text on it. jesus talk about censoring and trampling on the first amendment.
signed "sigh"
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Tcko Cazalet
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Plan B
04-18-2009 12:27
ok....now its four 50m rotating cubes in each corner of my sim....kinda uglies up my land but what the hell ^ ^
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Lord Sullivan
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04-18-2009 12:29
From: Robert Graf And you don't see me flaming you do you? Why do you care so much about what I have to say? I get it that you and those like you want to limit debate to just the "accepted truth". My point is what do you all have to fear from LL announcing these changes on the login screen and opening up this blog to comments from everyone. A broader cross section of opinion needs to be heard here or it's just more of the same old bs. And as far as tone and attitude if you want respect you need to give it. Don't demand respect of others if you don't give it.  All of us i think are all for LL putting it on the login screen but LL hasn't yet, maybe if there is enough hue and cry maybe it will cause some rethinks by LL although i doubt it. I have sent a notice out to our nearly 900 member group and mentioned it several times to them and pointed them here. I would imagine they are reading but most i have found really don't seem to mind one way or another, i sure wish some more would come and post here and give their input.
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Sindy Tsure
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04-18-2009 12:35
From: Lord Sullivan From: Sindy Tsure But Aristotle has some serious problems and using PIU/PIOF as 'verification' makes the word almost meaningless.
They say they're doing this forced move for my own good. So that I can feel all warm and fuzzy that RL kids won't have access to my adult stuff. Then they turn around and turn 'verified' into a total joke.
We're talking about kids who are already breaking the rules by being on the main grid. As long as any one of them can get a prepaid credit card and get 'verified' as easily as an actual adult can, LL has accomplished nothing vs this goal.. Well it was said this is account and not age verification. I agree nothing has been seen to be accomplished in all this as i report on average one minor a week on the grid and you see we all want different things like clean the club scene up on the grid, and someone else wants something else and so on and so forth. Maybe they see this as a move that will hurt us all but it will heal in time, are they right or are they wrong? only time will tell thats for sure  While they may not have explicitly said that it's about age verification, Cyn definitely implies it. She's listed on the Management page at lindenlab.com so when she talks about goals, you can be fairly sure that her words roll over a lot of people on their way downhill.. From http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-contentFrom: Cyn Linden ...The core goals of this initiative are to improve Second Life for everyone – by giving Residents more control over what they see, and by providing the best available method to make Adult content accessible only to those who ought to (and who desire to) access it. Saying this when talking about 'core goals' makes this absolutely about age verification. That the stated plan doesn't accomplish this core goal doesn't seem to matter - full steam ahead anyway! From: Lord Sullivan When we actually know the honest reasons why it is that LL are doing this then we can make an analysis but until then its all assumptions that we make. Lets hope we get told but i won't be holding my breath  /me has doubts that LL will ever treat us like the adults they're demanding we 'prove' we are..
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Lord Sullivan
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04-18-2009 12:40
From: Sindy Tsure While they may not have explicitly said that it's about age verification, Cyn definitely implies it. She's listed on the Management page at lindenlab.com so when she talks about goals, you can be fairly sure that her words roll over a lot of people on their way downhill.. From http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-contentSaying this when talking about 'core goals' makes this absolutely about age verification. That the stated plan doesn't accomplish this core goal doesn't seem to matter - full steam ahead anyway! /me has doubts that LL will ever treat us like the adults they're demanding we 'prove' we are.. I do agree but im just trying to be optimistic and i love the last line 
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Sindy Tsure
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04-18-2009 12:45
From: Lord Sullivan I do agree but im just trying to be optimistic and i love the last line  Feel free to use it, for a small fee.. 
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Wynochee LeShelle
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Blondin: important issue!
04-18-2009 12:48
From: Matthew Dowd I don't agree with this. Someone who bought mature land because it had no additional restrictions beyond what is prohibited anywhere in SL (but who does not currently have adult content) has as much a claim to a free move to the adult continent as those who do have adult content on their land.
Matthew I agree 100%. This essential was asked/told to Blondin/LL several times, but still no answer.
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Tcko Cazalet
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Spam groups
04-18-2009 13:03
I just posted to about 6000 people in a few spam groups. THE END OF SL 90% of the residents do not know about what is going to change in a few months. All adult content will be required to move to the new continent called Ursula Also all who wish to go to Ursula will have to be age verified! We are fighting this and we need your voices heard in the forum here is the url to the forum...I will warn you it is pretty large already 3000 posts so far. SL is doing this behind closed doors and will not give enough information about it...so if you can please go and read and voice your opinion...thanks /352/11/314444/1.html
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Robert Graf
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04-18-2009 13:16
From: Tcko Cazalet I just posted to about 6000 people in a few spam groups. THE END OF SL 90% of the residents do not know about what is going to change in a few months. All adult content will be required to move to the new continent called Ursula Also all who wish to go to Ursula will have to be age verified! We are fighting this and we need your voices heard in the forum here is the url to the forum...I will warn you it is pretty large already 3000 posts so far. SL is doing this behind closed doors and will not give enough information about it...so if you can please go and read and voice your opinion...thanks /352/11/314444/1.htmlWell Done, Tcko. The more folks who hear about this the better. I wonder if the people posting here who support or are going along with the changes are announcing this inworld at their homes, stores, clubs, or places where they sell content? My guess is no. lol A big sign with a link to this blog would be wonderful. I will be adding a link to the sign already on my build later.
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Tcko Cazalet
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yeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04-18-2009 13:53
I just made a protest sign that attaches to the spine and added a notecard giver....now ill place some of my bots around the grid.
I surprise myself sometimes ^ ^
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Drake1 Nightfire
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So it was you.
04-18-2009 13:57
From: Tcko Cazalet I just posted to about 6000 people in a few spam groups. THE END OF SL 90% of the residents do not know about what is going to change in a few months. All adult content will be required to move to the new continent called Ursula Also all who wish to go to Ursula will have to be age verified! We are fighting this and we need your voices heard in the forum here is the url to the forum...I will warn you it is pretty large already 3000 posts so far. SL is doing this behind closed doors and will not give enough information about it...so if you can please go and read and voice your opinion...thanks /352/11/314444/1.htmlSo you were the one that caused that panic. Well done, good job... all you did was freak out a lot of people with your title.. as i have said before, we have no REAL way to contest this until LL has given us a list of affected things. IE what is adult in their eyes. inviting people to this blog is a good idea, saying its the "END OF SL" isnt a good way to do it. most people will read a few of the posts and say," its only a few people that will be affected by this." We need a decisive and informative answer from LL.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-18-2009 14:03
From: Robert Graf Well Done, Tcko. The more folks who hear about this the better. I wonder if the people posting here who support or are going along with the changes are announcing this inworld at their homes, stores, clubs, or places where they sell content? My guess is no. lol A big sign with a link to this blog would be wonderful. I will be adding a link to the sign already on my build later. I have a script somewhere that when you touch it, it will open up a web page, If anyone wants it, drop me a line inworld. Then all that's needed is a suitable texture to slap on the prim and bobs your uncle (or aunt since this is sl we're talking about here lol) edited to add: you can put up to 9 (I think) links in it or just have it open on touch.. although they could be two different scripts.. but i have them
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Lord Sullivan
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04-18-2009 14:07
From: Sindy Tsure Feel free to use it, for a small fee..  The wife has sent you some shoes as payment in case i want to use your line and when i have space in my sig lol Enjoy
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-18-2009 14:08
From: Couldbe Yue I have a script somewhere that when you touch it, it will open up a web page, If anyone wants it, drop me a line inworld. Then all that's needed is a suitable texture to slap on the prim and bobs your uncle (or aunt since this is sl we're talking about here lol)
edited to add: you can put up to 9 (I think) links in it or just have it open on touch.. although they could be two different scripts.. but i have them Thanks ive added the link in the notecard ^ ^
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-18-2009 14:12
From: Drake1 Nightfire So you were the one that caused that panic. Well done, good job... all you did was freak out a lot of people with your title.. as i have said before, we have no REAL way to contest this until LL has given us a list of affected things. IE what is adult in their eyes. inviting people to this blog is a good idea, saying its the "END OF SL" isnt a good way to do it. most people will read a few of the posts and say," its only a few people that will be affected by this." We need a decisive and informative answer from LL. got your attention did I?.....sorry for the scare but it will be true..with LL and SL sneaking like thieves in the night by the time everyone hears about it ..it will be a done deal and if they read it all it wont be just a few.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-18-2009 14:13
From: Tcko Cazalet Thanks ive added the link in the notecard ^ ^ ok. it's just from past experience with this kind of thing inworld if you don't make them go straight there they just don't do it.
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Drake1 Nightfire
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pardon me?
04-18-2009 14:20
From: Wynochee LeShelle Violence is not a theme there. Hollywood would be dead without the explosion cult in every blockbuster. Films like Terminator or Independence day are best family entertainment. Platoon and Apocalypse Now: fun! People are not dying there. They just falling out of the picture frame. Hundreds or millions per film. The target in all these messages from hollywood is, to create nothing, where something was before. A hole in the nature. Flying bullets in extra-slow-motion filmed is legal porn for minors there. Additional you can buy there half-automatic weapons like underwear. And there are shooting centers, where 12 years young kids can fire with a machine-gun until a car is a sieve. They do that like brushing teeth in morning. It's a sport there for young and old. Ratatatatat.
If you look at Independence Day, the film, you see whole cities exploding, but not one nipple comments that.
There is also a reason, why sex is so far not forbidden in the USA. Sex is allowed as long the people following the rule to use their genitals as weapons. You know....they say not *orgasm*, they say: cum-shot...analog to: shot-gun, or they say: "I shoot a load", hahahaha.
They are not normal. Just that. A good amok-run at prime time and the whole nation is happy. That's entertainment. Or these bombs, wich are able to blow whole mountains away, they call them: daisy cutters, funny, funny. Seems we have it to do with gardening experts...
A nipple at prime time, and the national guard will be mobilized to fire the nipple to death.
So, war is not adult. This is why they start a war on eros now, these heroes. As an American, i take a bit of offence at this... my daughters have not seen terminator , platoon, or apocalypse now.... they have seen independence day and loved it, btw.. that wasnt totally about the US either. You cant buy semi-automatic guns everywhere in the US. You have to have a gun license to get one and you have to be over 18 to get a gun license. Dont lump us all together, I admit i dont say orgasm when im in the heat of the moment.. Who does? " oh baby ... oh baby .. i'm going to orgasm..." that sounds stupid... ANS ANOTHER THING!!! define normal. "They are not normal. Just that." So, to sum up, in your part of reality people dont use guns, walk around nude, and say they are going to orgasm when they are having sex.
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-18-2009 14:21
From: Couldbe Yue ok. it's just from past experience with this kind of thing inworld if you don't make them go straight there they just don't do it. LOL the poster says......SAY NO TO URSULA.....click for a notecard.....THE END OF SECONDLIFE I think curiousity will get the better of the majority ^ ^ P.S. if anyone has a suggestion on where to set a few bots feel free to post them.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-18-2009 14:27
From: Tcko Cazalet LOL the poster says......SAY NO TO URSULA.....click for a notecard.....THE END OF SECONDLIFE
I think curiousity will get the better of the majority ^ ^ . they'll look at the prim, think 'what is this drama?' will read it and think 'more drama' when you say all adult content and *if* (and it's a big if) they come anywhere near here they'll see drama, whining, backbiting and tantrums and will probably decide they don't need to worry about it until it happens. doesn't sound particularly productive does it?
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Tcko Cazalet
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04-18-2009 14:35
From: Couldbe Yue they'll look at the prim, think 'what is this drama?' will read it and think 'more drama' when you say all adult content and *if* (and it's a big if) they come anywhere near here they'll see drama, whining, backbiting and tantrums and will probably decide they don't need to worry about it until it happens.
doesn't sound particularly productive does it? maybe not but at least its something instead of sitting on my rump and just reading the posts here...maybe get one or two more people here maybe more who knows. I've been mostly silent here as you can see from how many posts I have....I'm a listener then a doer..and since SL has not come clean and they have turned us loose to form whatever opinion we want...I did....plus my bots were gathering dust ^ ^
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04-18-2009 14:40
OMG OMG the sky is falling !!! (rolls eyes)
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