Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Indeed - but under the current Adult content proposal there is no more intention for Governer Linden to turn Aristotle verification on at the estate level, than there is to turn that checkbox on for mature or PG land. LL has had the ability to restrict the entire mainland to Aristotle verified accounts since 2007, and to PIU/PIOF accounts since 2006 but no-one has seriously worried that this would happen (certainly not without a lot of warning

What will be the new slogan on the website-header, since Your World. Your Imagination is not true?

Why are they themeing Ursula? From what I've read here it's supposed to be a futuristic theme? Not everyone who is being told to move has their place in such a setting, do they?
Isn't making people move and then putting theme in a setting they may not want adding insult to injury?

well, if you chose to go to someone like that, what do you expect.. they have huge overheads

try sarah nerd or ewan mureaux if you want a quote, but they'll still come in around 40+% less than current market price, simply because of the overheads.

if the land is poor quality then you'll have to take a hit if you sell. rock is pretty well the lowest of low, I ended up taking 3.5/sqm in feb for a piece of 2048 just to get rid of it.

So many people are tiering down or abandoning their land - outside of this adult stuff - that it's not a fabulous time to sell anyway

Well, let's trust Blondin's word is as good as gold that PIU/PIOF is sufficient to get in, and assume that Blondin is the one standing at heaven's gate like st peter checking everyone's ID to get into Ursula instead of the automated check by the software

the words "trust" and LL are not compatible, i suggest land sales are suspended for the time being for new residents buying land or it will be a definate bait and switch.

Personally, I think the final definitions for what is "Adult Content" needs to clearly define 4 levels. Here's my proposed starting point for definitions. :

Adult + Extreme:
The far edge of acceptable anywhere in SL. Region must be Adult Content and Estate or parcel must require Aristotle age check. Extreme activities must not be visible or audible from adjacent parcels. Access to venue should be controlled to ensure no one is exposed to it without fair warning and consent. Examples: Public venues offering, for free or for pay; canabalism, fatal or maiming torture, graphic nonconsentual violence. Merchants seling content explicitly for these extreme tastes.

Adult Content:
Not extreme, but not what you might want as a residential neighbor, especially if the parcel across the sim border might be PG. Region must be Adult Content. Examples: Strip clubs, Escort Services, Public sex venues, "Pay for play" sex sites, Merchants selling explicit (but not extreme) sexual content, such as prim genitalia... Also correct rating for any parcel that wants the freedom to do whatever they please, without ratings restrictions. (The former Mature standards, really.) Sex out of doors is OK. Sex in private residences that is not offered to the public is unrestricted, allowing even "extreme" content if not visible/audible from nearby parcels and as long as only consenting participants can see it. Suggest this rating for combat areas that are violent/gory or for "free fire zones" where anyone in the combat area is a valid target.

Mature (revised meaning):
Sex that is NOT available to the general public or being offered for sale is allowed. Private bedrooms and sexually themed content whose use is only by invitation of the parcel owner, for their household and guests is fine, as long as not "extreme". Sexual and violent content should be out of a direct line of sight from adjacent parcels. "Be a good neighbor" applies. Could include descrete merchants vending adult-oriented content that is not graphic, such as skin vendors, sex beds where trying the bed poses is not allowed with clothes off and genitalia attached, pose balls stores (same guidelines, no trying them with clothes off and genitalia attached). Merchant vendor graphics might include full frontal nudity, but no images that would exceed an "R" rating in the movies. Can include outdoor nudity, like public nude beaches and nude hot tubbing, where no sex is taking place. Publicly visible images should be limited to R rating or less. No XXX hardcore images on display. Can include controlled combat areas where combat is not extreme/gory. "TV Western" or "Cop TV Show" violence, where someone who is shot or killed with a sword just falls down, instead of their head blowing up or blood fountaning.

PG:
As it is today, but enforced properly. NO sexual content, no nudity, no swearing, no violence, not even "in the privacy of your own home". Content should be suitable for a 13 year old to participate in.

Can a set of links be provided to:

1) LL's original proposed changes, with links to originals

2) LL's responses to questions, with updated links

3) this groups understanding of the effect/affect
of the LL's Upcoming Changes for Adult Content.

Can a set of links be provided to:

1) LL's original proposed changes, with links to originals

2) LL's responses to questions, with updated links

3) this groups understanding of the effect/affect
of the LL's Upcoming Changes for Adult Content.

yes, if you want to pay me for 4 hours work and i dont come cheap

Yes Dogboat, many posts, and poster's in this blog,
all with great insight, and proposed solutions.

Someone, step up to the plate.

Remember "The little Red Hen", and who enjoyed the bread.

This Blog, needs a re-cap, reprise, of the 5W's
"Who", LL and the SL community,
"What started this discussion". see Q1
"Why is the community so concerned", it affect all SL residents.
"What has been clarified", see Q2, still a muddy picture
"Where are we going", see Q3, aka Ursula
"When", New server code in place, New viewer will implement a unknown policy.

How can a information campaign be started,
when these 5W's are not collected and communicated inside and out of SL.

Can a set of links be provided to:

1) LL's original proposed changes, with links to originals

2) LL's responses to questions, with updated links

3) this groups understanding of the effect/affect
of the LL's Upcoming Changes for Adult Content.

....That one of the consequences of making the new 'Adult' areas only accessible to 'age/identity verified', will be that the new PG & 'cleaned up' Mature areas will the hangout for any who don't wish their identity traceable.

Yes, it will make the new 'Adult' areas safer, but will not offer any real safeguards about who is roaming the rest of the grid.

Those whose intent is not benign will be only able to operate within the areas that supposedly being 'cleaned up' by this move.

It's happening now..... one parcel just went up for auction in Flounder next to my sim...maybe i should place one of my signs next to it?

5 uninterrupted posts?!? Where is everyone?

Can a set of links be provided to:

1) LL's original proposed changes, with links to originals

2) LL's responses to questions, with updated links

3) this groups understanding of the effect/affect
of the LL's Upcoming Changes for Adult Content.

Originally Posted by Maturity ratings: an overview
Any publicly accessible Region must be designated "Adult" and therefore require Adult validation if it advertises, makes available, references, or displays the following:
* Representations of explicit sexual conduct or genitalia, whether or not photo-realistic ("sexual conduct" will be defined inclusively, to include all erotic themes)
* Representations of intense violence depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm

Photo-realistic nudity
* Sexually themed spaces (whether indoors or outdoors)

Originally Posted by Linden Labs
The definition of mature is:
"For instance, social and dance clubs, bars, stores and malls, galleries, music venues, beaches, parks, and other spaces for socializing, creating and learning all support a Mature designation"
The definition of PG is:
"For instance, institutions such as universities, conference organizers, and real world businesses whose users may not wish to view or interact with the broader Second Life experience"

3) Pay to play. It would get rid of a bunch of beggers, spammers, leachers, and TRAFFIC BOTS as well as help to fix the problems of traffic ratings for search results.

7) It would be much easier and cost effective to implement as well as less intrusive for it's current PAYING residents. Those who don't pay now...SORRY. You would be banned from mature content and your account deleted if not a paying member within 2 months.

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I am on a government medical pension and I literally cannot afford to spend my small amount of RL dollars for a premium membership. Does that make me a beggar? You will never see me on a corner in SL with a tin cup in hand begging for lindens. I do not spam, nor leach and I sure as heck am NOT a bot. So, what does this make me? Poor. That's all. Does that mean I should be cut off from the benefits and enjoyment of SL? How about the hours I have begun spending on building new objects to sell in my own shop? Time is money, isn't it?

My health keeps me housebound. SL provides me with much needed social contact with others. I can no longer work in RL, but in SL I not only work, I have just started my own business. One of my goals is to earn enough lindens to then pay for a membership and own my own land. Without using any of my rent money to do so.

The Adult "categorization" is going to happen. Period. All we can do is help to make the definitions as clear as possible and keep things as INclusive as possible, not exclude those who don't measure up to some artificial measuring stick based on some arbitrary criteria, like income level.

"When you dream, Dream BIG" -R-

agreed!

There should be no pay for play as we all in one way or another contribute to SL.

We have made SL what it is today and we pay LL's wages while they attempt to suck more money out of us, tier hikes, vat, and blatant rip offs like the openspace fiasco.
piof is ok for adult areas?
Thats the most ridiculous excuse for making money i have heard yet from LL,when a minor can own a CC.

there is no trust left in LL and they will reap their reward for being so greedy and stupid.
The day i have to pay to be in SL is the day i leave, in fact i'm planning it right now.

There should be no pay for play as we all in one way or another contribute to SL.

We have made SL what it is today and we pay LL's wages while they attempt to suck more money out of us, tier hikes, vat, and blatant rip offs like the openspace fiasco.
piof is ok for adult areas?
Thats the most ridiculous excuse for making money i have heard yet from LL,when a minor can own a CC.

there is no trust left in LL and they will reap their reward for being so greedy and stupid.
The day i have to pay to be in SL is the day i leave, in fact i'm planning it right now.

ok here's a rough recap, i've already posted some of this already.