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Hypatia Meili
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04-20-2009 06:09
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Is that account Aristotled? According to Blondin's posts here, only PIU will get you in without Aristotle.

I think he said it both ways tho!
Which is it suppose to be?
Is it just PIU now but they are going to fix it for PIOF?
Or do we have to go buy something?


Note: The current check box is worded:
"Residents who have not given payment info to Linden Lab"
To me that reads NPIOF which should allow both PIU & PIOF.
This is intended to be confusing, right? That's the actual point, isn't it? :(
Milla Janick
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04-20-2009 06:09
From: Waterstar Eilde
Weel... maybe you have a point there! I won't name names, of course, but one was a resident created in January last year, with a sexy profile, while the other was only created at the end of March. He had one group in his profile and one pick, which was... Arapaima Safe Hub! :D

They're making out now.



Sorry about breaking your thread, Blondin.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-20-2009 06:11
From: Milla Janick
They're making out now.



Sorry about breaking your thread, Blondin.



Milla, are you still there? If I come in want to stand around for a bit and pretend to be papparazi??

she's such a cheap hussy lol
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-20-2009 06:11
From: Milla Janick
They're making out now.



Sorry about breaking your thread, Blondin.

Oooh Milla! I should have hung around ;)
Waterstar Eilde
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04-20-2009 06:12
From: Couldbe Yue
Milla, are you still there? If I come in want to stand around for a bit and pretend to be papparazi??

she's such a cheap hussy lol

Do it, do it! It's time this thread lightened up a bit and practised some of what it preaches hehe. But... I still need to go to bed! :o
Deltango Vale
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Fail
04-20-2009 06:14
I just did a test of the Verification Station. I have been PIU since I first registered in October 2006. When attempting to enter the test area, I was kicked out as non-verified.


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Couldbe Yue
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04-20-2009 06:15
From: Waterstar Eilde
Do it, do it! It's time this thread lightened up a bit and practised some of what it preaches hehe. But... I still need to go to bed! :o


want me to send you a cab?
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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Real world uses for SL
04-20-2009 06:16
From: Shockwave Yareach


So we are now at the second half of the equation. While I as a consumer want to know what possible benefit I could gain from going to $company's sim and buying some RL service from them, likewise $company asks why they should go through the hassle and expense of a presence in SL in the first place?


Architecture and homes are a natural use for SL. Doing a mockup of an office building or mall and letting your client do a walkthrough, and making changes in real time. Selling homes is another use, either 3D home plans for houses not yet built, or photograph an existing home and then make a model in SL to visit. These are expensive items, so there is room to cover paying some amount for a custom build.

At the other extreme, the linden dollar (L$) is an excellent micro-payment system for online goods and services. Where paypal charges $0.30+3.5% per transaction, then transactions under a US dollar dont work well. In SL, you pay that $0.30 to buy and 3.5% to sell a block of L$, but the fees can be paid by different people and spread over lots of small transactions. Imagine for example buying a song within SL for L$30, lots less than other online song prices, then getting a download link to click on to actually receive the song file.
Waterstar Eilde
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04-20-2009 06:16
From: Deltango Vale
I just did a test of the Verification Station. I have been PIU since I first registered in October 2006. When attempting to enter the test area, I was kicked out as non-verified.

Scuse my ignorance, but what's the Verification Station?
Waterstar Eilde
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04-20-2009 06:19
From: Couldbe Yue
want me to send you a cab?

next time - I'll be ready and waiting ;)
Couldbe Yue
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04-20-2009 06:19
rats - they've gone :(
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Deltango Vale
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Inworld Verification Station
04-20-2009 06:19
From: Waterstar Eilde
Scuse my ignorance, but what's the Verification Station?


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Waterstar Eilde
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04-20-2009 06:21
From: Couldbe Yue
rats - they've gone :(

awww... still, I can go to bed without feeling I'm missing out on anything! 'night all :)
Couldbe Yue
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04-20-2009 06:25
From: Deltango Vale
I just did a test of the Verification Station. I have been PIU since I first registered in October 2006. When attempting to enter the test area, I was kicked out as non-verified.


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possibly because that's an age verification rather than the account verification that the safe hub is using.


have you managed to get into Arapaima?

edit: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Arapaima/131/170/22?
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Couldbe Yue
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04-20-2009 06:25
From: Waterstar Eilde
awww... still, I can go to bed without feeling I'm missing out on anything! 'night all :)



night, pleasant dreams :)
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-20-2009 06:36
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Architecture and homes are a natural use for SL. Doing a mockup of an office building or mall and letting your client do a walkthrough, and making changes in real time. Selling homes is another use, either 3D home plans for houses not yet built, or photograph an existing home and then make a model in SL to visit. These are expensive items, so there is room to cover paying some amount for a custom build.

At the other extreme, the linden dollar (L$) is an excellent micro-payment system for online goods and services. Where paypal charges $0.30+3.5% per transaction, then transactions under a US dollar dont work well. In SL, you pay that $0.30 to buy and 3.5% to sell a block of L$, but the fees can be paid by different people and spread over lots of small transactions. Imagine for example buying a song within SL for L$30, lots less than other online song prices, then getting a download link to click on to actually receive the song file.


it works so well no corporations are interested, SL is chicken feed.
and i hope you dont plan on selling songs for 30 l$, you would be homeless once the music industry found out about it.
and why would i convert my rl cash to lindens at a loss to buy rl goods?
it makes no sense.
Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
04-20-2009 06:49
Verification station worked for me, but Couldbe Yue got stuck.
Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
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04-20-2009 06:50
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Is that account Aristotled? According to Blondin's posts here, only PIU will get you in without Aristotle.
I must have missed that post; I've only ever heard that both PIU and PIOF will qualify.
From: Hypatia Meili
But then the existing check boxes are totally useless, assuming you do not want to block one type of verification from you land for some obscure reason.

And Blondin's attempts to tell people how to set them are totally pointless, you don't use the existing check boxes at all and just rely on the new "ADULT" estate one period.

And of course there is no reason to be using them in non ADULT areas.

Except maybe to make use of the anti-griefer side effect assuming you don't mind restricting you PG &/or Mature content to "some" ADULTS only.

And private group type places either must accept Non-ADULTS( who are over 18 tho :p ) or move to Ursula or an ADULT flagged estate?
There is indeed a problem here, but I think it's not quite as blatant and clear-cut as this seems.

The problem is that there's no way to specify the exact same Adult restrictions at the Parcel or Estate level that are applied to Adult Regions. One can deny access to one or the other "Adultness" criterion, but not both.

Before there ever were Adult Regions, the same limitation existed, but apparently nobody wanted that ability enough to file a jira requesting the feature be added (or possibly I'm just not finding that jira). The future existence of Adult Regions really makes no difference to whether such a feature would be useful at the Parcel and Estate levels.

Or more precisely, it cuts both ways: with Adult Regions on the grid, someone on a sub-Adult Region may be more motivated to want that same level of access control, completely independently of LL's enforcement of it on some Regions; at the same time, with Adult Regions, the ability to obtain that level of access control is theoretically possible at the Parcel level by moving to an Adult Region, and at the Estate level by flagging all Regions as Adult. That's probably practical at the Estate level, but not for Parcels--especially if the whole point is to have neighboring Parcels with different levels of access control, as for an Aristotle+PIU/PIOF "back room" to a build, for example.

Note that this example could exist on either Adult or sub-Adult Regions. In both cases, the landowner is just trying to be sure that both criteria are met; there is no way to do that with the planned mechanism. (Well, there is one totally impractical way to do it on a private Estate, by declaring the entire Estate to be restricted to one criterion, and individual parcels to the other.)
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Monalisa Robbiani
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04-20-2009 06:54
From: Deltango Vale
I just did a test of the Verification Station. I have been PIU since I first registered in October 2006. When attempting to enter the test area, I was kicked out as non-verified.


Ursula is supposed to let you in as PIU/non AVed, but AV parcels obviously aren't if you are not AVed.
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
Posts: 383
I'm just sayin.....*I* am Adult Content
04-20-2009 06:56
From: Waterstar Eilde
Quick! everybody rush to Arapaima to take a look! There are two NPIOF avis there right now, BUT there's also what appears to be a bot called Adult Tester (which is why I feel I can name him!) He has PIOF and although he's not naked (jeans and tatts), he's wearing a rather gaudy gift box where his manhood should be LOL! No-one's communicating in chat, however, so I have no idea whether this is all part of the testing...



Just an FYI.... if the avies are last named Tester... they are in fact, Linden Alts.... ie...
Performance Tester.... Performance1 Tester, Adult Tester.

Check the rezz dates if your curious how long LL been planing and HIDING this shit.


*sighs*

~Brie

update..... Adult Tester.... Born on 12/8/2008 So looks like they been at this since December.... WTG LL for letting us in on it. *GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*

I also found....
Resident: ANaughty Tester

Born on: 2009-01-09

own a region called....
Place: Adult Land - Adult category - mature_publish=Y

Category: Adult (Mature content)
Region: Oatmeal 11

owned by ANaughty Tester
nya pony
Owner: (Loading...)

AND....
Resident: AGood Tester

Born on: 2009-01-09
Who owns....

Place: Mature Land - adult category - mature_publish=N

Category: Adult
Region: Oatmeal 10

owned by AGood Tester
nya pony

AND.....


Place: Mature Land - Mature_publish=Y - adult category

Category: Adult (Mature content)
Region: Oatmeal 10

owned by MNaughty Tester
nya pony

But when i cliecked the owned by on the Sim info i got....

Resident: Oskar Linden

Born on: 2008-08-01

[ profile pic courtesy of Tangent Eponym. thanks! ]

I'm a Software Test Engyunear...
I'm a Software Test Enginear...
... I'm a tester

and I do it from Seattle.

Need SUPPORT? Go to: http://secondlife.com/support/

File bug report: Top Toolbar > Help > Bug Reporting > Report Bug

testoskarlindentestssssssssssssssssssssssss

Anyone else Suddenly feel MORE than a Little PISSED??

~Brie
Hypatia Meili
Tilting at Windmills? :p
Join date: 2 Aug 2007
Posts: 149
04-20-2009 06:57
No Nudity Notice at the safe hub in the new adult region.

So much for the fix for forced moves due to sim outages preventing you from showing up naked were it isn't allowed be.

Hopefully ADULTS wont AR other adults for such accidents.
Whether or not the lindens may give somebody a hard time is another question.



Let me be the fist to ask to be assigned to nudist info hub. :D
Monalisa Robbiani
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04-20-2009 06:58
From: Hypatia Meili
Let me be the fist to ask to be assigned to nudist info hub. :D


O.o Wouldn't that count as extreme violence?
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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
Posts: 383
04-20-2009 07:03
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Ursula is supposed to let you in as PIU/non AVed, but AV parcels obviously aren't if you are not AVed.



I am PIU AND AV... and i got into http://slurl.com/secondlife/Arapaima/131/170/22 with no problem.. couldn't go anywhere... but there i am... sporting my.... *I* am Adult Content Tag. Maybe we should have a party?

~Brie
Hypatia Meili
Tilting at Windmills? :p
Join date: 2 Aug 2007
Posts: 149
04-20-2009 07:04
From: Monalisa Robbiani
O.o Wouldn't that count as extreme violence?

I really really hate to not only crash out or have sim reset during sex or just being nude.
But trying to log back in to my last location or home and the region is not available.
And therefore landing naked at an over loaded PG hub with my inventory not loading and the place I was trying to get to unavailable

"Quick find a LM to someplace I can be nude while hoping TP does not fail"
DanielRavenNest Noe
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Packing Algorithms
04-20-2009 07:26
From: Brieanne Bomazi
Yes and no.... Give the current business owners that require full & half sims first shot at land.. otherwise, we are screwed...


Apparently Blondin does not have a clue about "packing algorithms". This is the field of mathematics about how to fit a set of different sized objects in a box most efficiently.
This is EXACTLY the type of problem we have here with sims and land parcels.

"first come first served" will not work for the reasons stated by Brieanne and others: if someone takes a small plot in the middle of the sim, it will block out large parcels.

There are two methods that will work reasonably well:

(1) largest first. Sort land requests by size, and take them strictly in order of size.

(2) fill a sim at a time. This method works by finding the largest request for the amount not yet taken in the sim. For example, lets say someone wants 3/4 of the sim, leaving 1/4. Then you look for a 1/4 sim request or as close as possible to fill out the remainder.

If you have a lot of requests at specific sizes (4096, 2048, etc), then it makes sense to pre-divide sims into parcels those sizes, but I expect there will be quite a few "odd size" parcels that are not a simple fraction of a full sim

On a related point, it would be very nice if LL allowed free exchange for the same area, then allowed people to "fill out, or round up" for a reasonable price per meter. I'm sure a lot of people would like to do this where they are now, and just dont have the chance cause the land is not available to buy.