Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

My Club has mostly Japanese members and I have a few girls that do my translating.....they are informing as many as they can ^ ^

Think it's a good idea for SL to put and end to free accounts?

I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and block access to your business for NPIOF avatars. Get back to me in a month and let me know if you still think it's a good idea.

yeah, actually, I do. I'm not saying get rid of the ones that are active now, and i am not saying make all accounts PAID accounts. There are still basic & premium accounts. I'm saying that if they went back to charging a one time fee for avies, Then we wouldn't have 431264923786809 damn traffic bots on the grid, and griefers wouldn't be creating 15 alts a day to wreck havoc.
Even if they allowed one free avie per account...would still cut down on bots and griefers.
And before you ask, i have 4 avies, all born before 06, and yes, i paid for every one of them.
The point is MOOT anyway, when the changes discussed here go into effect... with no PIOF, PIU, or age verification, these accounts won't have access to my business anyway... did you not notice .....

*I* AM ADULT CONTENT.

And another reasonable, well thought out plan to aid the lindens... hopefully they will pay attention to the myriad of great ideas posted here.....wait....Ha... we all know better....but it never hurts to dream a lil dream now does it?
Excellent Ideas Bambi
~Brie

Agreed 100%

I know someone that says this as well. I know several people who make this claim. I find it very suspect. In fact, one person i know made around 250k a week in SL. so he had plenty of cash and always refused to put RL cash into SL. But for some reason, every 3 months or so I get a "hey Bri lend me 60k until the end of the week!" IM. So yea he is not putting money in - he just floats on a few people. But truth be told - if he did not have friends, he would need to put the money in.

Yes, it may solve some problem, but I also see that there are a lot of users in Europe, Asia and South America, and many other continents who don't have credit card payment available to use.

The reality is that they end up asking their friends who have payment methods to pay for them. That is assuming that they have a friend who have internet payment method before they can play in SL. Getting a credit card is extremely hard in other continents, except in US, which practically give them away, but not true in other parts of the world.

The internet user world is changing rapidly. If you want to see the internet usage statistics http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

Asia: 657,170,816
Europe: 393,373,398
North America: 251,290,489
South America: 173,619,140

Asia has 3 times internet usage than North America, and Europe had surpassed North America usage long time ago.

That is why this Adult verification policy is basically ended up restricting LL's revenue stream to the North American user only.

How tragic they put their blinders in their already short-sightness and shoot themselves in the foot by limiting the exponential growth from the other world to their own tiny little backyard.

No doubt there is BIG bucks behind all this...there is no way SL and LL can be taking such a huge chance losing a lot of revenue from us *adults*

I think two are involved with this that I've found .....Adobe and Sun Microsystems
And Educational organizations. Probably quite a few more.

So, I've decided to go with the flow and see how it all plays out...then get the flock out of dodge later

will accounts that add payment info after the cut off date be automatically account verified?

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Thank you Matthew. That is just the kind of detailed, uncomplicated, and apparently authoritative answer I have been looking for. Too bad we can't get a Linden to come right out and say it. I have read all of Blondin's posts in this discussion and seen nothing directly addressing this simplest of all imaginable situations: who sets estate and region access controls in Ursala, and what will their default values be?

Cory

PS And this is actually what I thought the answer would be... I would just rather not depend on assumptions and blind trust, so I thought I would try in my little way to draw out just one explicit Linden answer.

It won't really solve any problems. Bot runners will be inconvenienced by having to create new bots every two weeks. Griefers will use throwaway accounts they don't plan on keeping for more than two weeks anyway.

Free accounts have brought a LOT more real users into SL, who spend a lot of real money. Linden Lab isn't going to get rid of them.

Oh, i'm not claiming i make NEAR that amount.. but i do pay for my sim, and my premium account with what i EARN in SL, and yes, occasionally due to RL and not being in game, i borrow also, but i always pay back I have a mainland sim, as opposed to a private region, which is why this whole move thing has me pissed off and just.....GRRRR.
Like someone said earlier... I don't need to know WHY, i DO need to know WHEN & HOW.
Let's just get the show on the road already... lots of people have had REALLY great suggestions...
LL needs to pay attention.

~brie

You dont say how tall the 100m sign is. If is 50m then it probably got done under the advertising sign height restrictions. Expect the spinners to get done in under the same policy rule.

Yes, it just makes me wonder what kind of business experience this so-called CEO actually had to run this company so unprofessionally who never heard of any orderly plan like a reservation.

I wonder if he ever made a plane reservation or hotel reservation in his life in his business experience to realize reservation systems exist in the real world to ensure he will get to his next business meeting location without having to resolve to mobbing his fellow business-travelers to get onto the plane or his hotel room?

But I would not be surprised that he is one of those CEOs who gets multi-million dollar bonus every year and get rewarded for losing money for his company and driving the company into bankruptcy like all those crooks that the government is bailing them out.

Plus the Ursula test
the info hub for ursula (Arapaima) is locked down for piof/piu and age verified. go test it.
Via World Map, search Destination Arapaima
the about land says nothing, but tried it with npiof, piu and piof. only the last 2 got in the other got the verification required popup
NPIOF 0% access
PIU/PIOF 100% access


plus the LL Wiki pages on adult content
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Links
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A lot said, informative, when one takes the time to read all that has been said.

It seems the majority are not against the very adult stuff being seperated in search etc, what they are against is how LL are implimenting it, they are going about it all wrong. thats what I pick up anyway, me personally i'm more well as long a sits labeled adult thats fair warning leave it alone posibly grey it out to none verified people or something. So its not the why thats bugging people its how LL are going about it like a bull in a china shop, perhaps the oens they see as enemies they should actually speak too and make allies from. I know a far better arrangement can be made if there is proper communication between all involved parties.

I agree.

Given the history of LL's management team, every time they attempted to solve a problem, they created 10 or 100 other problems as a result of their "solution".

I have never seen a company that is so unprofessionally disorderly managed, disorganized with no plans or forethought except for micro-managing the most irrelevant trivial matters.

It is no more than a bunch of kids coming up with some crazy ideas they dreamed up one day playing in the sandbox without the foggiest of what the real world is.

Blondin we seem to need a clarification on something.
A lot of people seem to be wondering this but asking in different ways.
I am hoping this is clearer and will get a clearer answer.


One Question in multiple parts aka details:

What are the exact settings at every level need for a parcel that wishes to admit people who are Either "Aristotle Verified" OR "Payment info Verified" at the same time, but keep out those who are totally UnVerified.

For:
1) a public access adult place on Ursula
2) a public access adult place on a island sim
. a) for a whole sim type place
. b) for an individual parcel (only a portion of the sim)
3) a public access adult place in a mature sim that elects not to move.

4) a group only place on ursula
5) a group only place on an island sim
. a) for a whole sim
. b) for an individual parcel
6) for a group only place on a mature sim

If ALL of theses are not possible then your check box system is broken and needs to be fixed.

(the above really is one question but some how it is not getting answered when asked more simply)

If it is broken how will it be fixed?
(a related sub question only necessary if any of the above turns out to be "not possible"
{{ Hopes Blodin still decides to count this as part of the same question, 8 is so few }}

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Note:

It seems to me that the block access by "residents who are not verified" check box should only block those who have not verified by either one method and /or the other(not requiring both), and the other check box(the payment info one) should be dropped, since both method are suppose to count for adult and mean the same thing as far as verification goes.

Secondly, It should remain checked and continue to operate when unchecking "allow public access" and then checking "allow group access". Adult only access however should not be required to be checked for private group access lands but should be available.

Matthew has answered this on several occasions on previous pages





Only verified will be allowed access as its a new Region Flag just for Ursula



Same as Ursula, except the estate owner will set the flag to the sim and see answer to 4 below



Will not be allowed as the Sim will have to be either be flagged Mature or Adult, if its Mature the Adult content will have to leave, if its flagged Adult it will again be the same as Ursula



It will be Adult verification then group permissions will apply. Remember Ursula Region verification will be the first mandatory flag. No verification = No entry to Ursula then normal permissions for land will then apply



Same as now



The new check boxes will be added on the later viewer IIRC Hope that this makes some sense and I am sure Matthew/Argent will correct me if i am wrong

1) both of my accounts, PIOF but no age verified are on a percel next to one that needs age verification .... one could get on, the other not

2) suddenly the one that could get on that parcel could not

3) I verified it, all well and good, now I would not get that web redirect when I accidentally stepped on the land boundary, right? nope, it took until this AM to propagate it to SL

has anyone else tried this to make sure that the blanket default is working consistently?

I got the same result. Two PIU avatars got in, an NPIOF avatar could not.

Tried it with me and my alt, both PIU, and my alt liked the clean-shiny-an-new aesthetic so much she insisted on setting home there for a few hours. Maybe I'll create a newbie NPIOF and test it too, unless others have already tried.

But then the existing check boxes are totally useless, assuming you do not want to block one type of verification from you land for some obscure reason.

And Blondin's attempts to tell people how to set them are totally pointless, you don't use the existing check boxes at all and just rely on the new "ADULT" estate one period.

And of course there is no reason to be using them in non ADULT areas.

Except maybe to make use of the anti-griefer side effect assuming you don't mind restricting you PG &/or Mature content to "some" ADULTS only.

And private group type places either must accept Non-ADULTS( who are over 18 tho ) or move to Ursula or an ADULT flagged estate?

Well I got in with my PIU Non-Aristotle account,
while my building alt which is NPIOF couldn't.

Anyone try an Aristotle Verified account?