Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

You know..it could be the lead in those paint chips making you think the sky is falling
hahahahahaha
no offense just joking you ^ ^

I am trying not to bite on it honestly

Son, you threatened to boycott me. I think on a scale of flaming from one to 10, that has to fit into some rarefied category of its own, under some special numbering system. I haven't seen such a ludicrous overreaction to a post of mine since the early days of the spam wars on Usenet.

Heh, I've made that suggestion myself. I'm NOT objecting to what you're saying. I'm pointing out that if you actually want anyone to be convinced by what you're saying, you need to change the way you're saying it.

Where in this thread has anyone objected to LL spreading the word on the policy? I must have missed that part.

Same to you, son. Your "tone" could use some adjusting as well. All I did was mention that there were alternatives for those who just don't want to go along with the changes here in my first few posts. You decided to "put me in my place" by suggesting that anything other than SL was going nowhere now or in the foreseeable future. I disagreed and you flamed. I get it that you believe that a young whippersnapper like myself had better get into line when you bark. I disagree. That simple. Respect others and you get respect.

well, yeah, it would be useful to subdivide your own parcel to provide different settings for a certain part of it, and some of those uses would be for really small sections. However, can you see going out and *buying* a 16sq meter parcel in the middle of a sim that you otherwise didn't own for any other reason that to be a fly in someone's ointment?

-V-

I used to fight ad farmers and I buried a lot of 16sq m parcels never to be found again

Jesus, me is from Germany and Austria. We talk here so sloppy all day long. "Not normal" is a common figure of speech here. And we don't mean the whole population of the USA or in any other planets region, if we say USA or Chile, or Papua-Guinea. It is like in the news, when the reporter says: "Washington said...", "Paris announced", "Germany stated...", "Australia believes...", blablabla - you know such phrases - they are common around the globe. No need to take all that personaly or to lay it on gold-scales. And that hollywood sends some standardized messages since decades, where explosions and bullets and shootings are THE main-message as a frequently repeated spectacle, is a fact, plus kind of endless advertising of the newest US-military equipment in many, many blockbusters. Top-gun-style and such. You will not find easily such kind of messages in - for example - french, austrian, german, or italian films - wich live more from society analyses and person to person dialoges and deeper emotions and stories, than only: bang, boom, crash and to make it not too boring they change in a next film to crash, boom, bang...

It is kind of logical, that a Euroean like me is measuring Linden Lab on its location and the social/cultural influences under wich the LL CEO's, CTO's, C-whatever fake-officers etc. and employees grown up. And there is a need to point on the bigotery they show. They do a war on eros here, while violence was no theme for them so far - and this is what can be seen as "not normal". An avatar, dressed as soldier, full equiped with waepons of all sorts, seems not much a moral-issue for them along the discussion and Blondin's statements. But some skin and touching is setting them in high alarm mode...as if Russia would start to drop nuclear bombs on them - this is on what I reflected in short, measured, as said, at what every second hollywood production has to tell interesting...(lol) to the rest of the world - and this often not restricted by age or ratings. Blondin is so far on tour through the red-light districts and pose-ball-hopper zones. I hope he will find the combat districts soon enough, because LL plans to launch their newest joke somewhere from June on, or so...so Blondin has not much time to visit the violence and killing zones too...

What assuming? Blondin *said* "First come, first served" and "Land speculation isn't prohibited by the TOS" in two different "answer sheets" in orange lettering!

What sort of confidence do these two statements, taken together, give you that LL won't be creating it's usual "As big a travesty as possible" in regards to moving people to Ursula?

-V-

I don't remember Blondin saying anything like that- payment info (used or on file) *or* Aristotle AVS was the only "check". After all, Ursula is supposed to *be* the place for extreme content- why would parcel and estate owners have to flag *anything* on Ursula except the usual access controls/ban lists, etc?

From what I understand, there will be a new flag- Call it the "Ursula" flag, that will only allow people in if they have either AVS or Payment info used or on file. And since private sim owners will have to choose whether or not to give their sim the "Ursula" flag, this once again takes AVS out of the mix at the parcel level.

I suppose that it could be an *option* for landowners to double down on making sure that only AVS residents can access their land, but if you're already in a place that requires AVS or Payment info, why would you bother?

An "Ursula" flagged landowner would already be joining what LL calls "the most extreme content". Why would there be any need to treat yourself as more extreme than extreme?

-V-

I have a theory about that...

It's because they haven't worked out all the details yet. That they are going to do it is pretty much fact. The details are not worked out, and they came to the forums to get opinions, find out what we thought would and wouldn't work, and how best to do it. They still haven't completed that yet.

I would very strongly hope that well in advance of this getting activated, LL will publish all the various documents and notify everyone on the login screen about the upcoming changes. But this isn't to ask people's opinions, this will be to announce that things they are a-changin' and to get ready.

We've seen some of that here - people complaining that LL have made their decision without consulting us, and yet complaining that they've told us they are doing it before they have all the details worked out - sounds like people want it both ways to me.

I believe that, within the boundaries of their goal (which is to split up adult content onto its own continent, and to separate private adult estate sims from non-Adult ones) - they ARE listening to our concerns. It remains to be seen how much influence this discussion will have on it, but I am fairly certain it will have SOME.

Just because one Linden said one thing doesn't mean another higher Linden will decide another they do it all the time. What i want to see is the final guidelines from above that states this is what we will be doing and the discussions are closed.

Of course LL will open the land after the moves, they want to make money off of it and first come first served, well we have to submit the tickets first for the team they are putting together to then view the land and then say yes go pick some land or no you don't have to move. That was said at the meeting. I wish they would put the audio up for those that didn't attend to listen to.

As i said all that is going on is a lot of assumptions as LL hasn't released as yet the final plans for the move, so we can all guess what is going on but unless Blondin is head of the team and his word is final i will wait until i know for sure.

One post in here mentioned something about when we make a ticket for the swap that we make three land choices and then SL decides which one we will get?
anyone know anything about that?

They worked out the details, indeed they showed them to us and the major reaction contained a second word of "Off" so they took their details away.

Those original FAQ's are what LL want and they will keep chipping away at adult content until they get what they want, mainland will be PG only.

It is my understanding that the estate and region level gates will be the ones with the "adult" box added. That way, they can set Ursula as a single estate with restricted access.

LL is also going to require all private sim owners to decide whether to join in the "adult" estate. (I.E. flag their estates and/or regions as "adult" or not.). I *think* that this will be at the region level- Sim by Sim. So if you have an estate of 6 sims, you could flag half of them adult, and leave the other half PG or Mature.

So, At the parcel level, you wouldn't *need* AVS boxes any more, because at that point, AVS boxes anywhere else are redundant for any reason except weeding out annoying teenagers from your sim.
For *protective* purposes, AVS/Payment info has already been applied to anything that LL thinks *needs* it.

QED, nothing else in a "mature" or "pg" sim does.

So you will only put something that needs AVS in a sim where AVS, or the equivalent payment info check has *already* been applied.

So it *removes* the need for parcel-level AVS/PIOF control in "adult" flagged estates and regions completely.

On the PG and "mature" regions and estates, the Parcel level AVS/PIOF flags will only be needed for personal preferences for who you allow in.
After the changeover, there quite literally should be *nothing* that absolutely *requires* AVS/PIOF in any estate or region without the "adult" flag.

So, if you want to use AVS/PIOF in PG and "mature" regions to weed out griefers at the parcel level, then go ahead, but you won't ever *need* to use it with regards to protecting people from content, or protecting yourself from AR's/getting sued by little timmy's mom because he saw a titty.

Not sure if I'm 100% right about this- maybe a clarification from Blondin would be helpful (on any number of things! )

-V-

You were talking about boycotting people before I said a word on the subject. But if it makes you feel better to blame me because other people were responding badly to what you were saying, I can't stop you.

Robert, I really think that you are confusing the issue here. How many times have you heard people saying that LL *isn't* announcing this stuff in-world? How many of the people on this forum are trying to spread the word to anyone in-world who will listen?

If there is a tiny minority dominating the conversation, that is *linden Labs* fault, not the people in this forum, no matter *what* their opinion is.

I for one would be *thrilled* to have Every single SL user reading these fora, and commenting on them.

I'd be even more thrilled with a log-in screen poll about the proposed changes.

I'd be *thrilled and delighted* if LL would listen to, and respond to, *any* of the alternatives that have been suggested here, rather than trying to steer the conversation always in the direction of *implementation* of the changes, rather than acknowledge that the majority of the people who are *aware* of the changes think that they are a *really* bad idea.

I have my opinions of the proposed changes- I hope that they don't happen. I think that a "I certify, under penalty of perjury, than I am 18 years of age or older" check-box would solve every legal issue that they might someday encounter. If the law changes to require a more proactive system of age verification, change it then. for now, it's simple, and nobody has to panic about getting throw off their land.

However, I also have my opinions about how the changes should be implemented *if* LL insists on bulling ahead with them anyway.

And there are a lot of things to consider here-

-Alternate plans what will work better, with less disruption
-fairness in dealing with moving the people who have to move, and making things as easy and painless as possible
-How to deal with the new problems that account verification raises (i.e. lost business, alts, bots, and yes, kids who are sneaking in)
-LL's behavior as a company, and whether it is worth it to stick around.

All of these are fair game, and frankly, I only see a couple of people telling anyone else to shut up, and the forum residents seem to be dealing with it just fine.

There's not a problem here, except the one created by linden labs.

Side note:
LL isn't planning on announcing this change anywhere except here and on the blogs- That's about as wrong as it gets. If this is such a good idea, why are they hiding it until the last minute?


If you want more people in the conversation, then do what I did. Risk getting bounced for spamming group chat, and tell the members of all the groups you are in about this issue and what the link is to the forum. Send out notices- put up signs in front of your businesses (the adult grid-wide hunt is a perfect opportunity- the ought to be a note-card in every box about this stuff).

Sorry, don't mean to go off on you, but the lack of participants in this discussion isn't the fault of the people who have been here forever. it's the fault of the people who *run* LL and SL.

In fact, most of the people who have been here forever are against the changes, but knowing LL's track record, are preparing for them anyway.

-V-

Or even an Eggplant.

-V-

did you ever wonder how Anshe Chung became a millionaire.....I have no intentions of selling but it was a good way to see how much my PRIME land would sell for...hang onto your hats.

Thank you for your message. We can offer you 1.2L$/sqm. If you can accept that, you can contact support acs in SL.

Hard to believe isn't it....this is what SL has accomplished with all the bad deals they feed us....I paid an average of $10L per sqm...feeling a little sick here

it's getting a bit boring around here isn't it?

well, if you chose to go to someone like that, what do you expect.. they have huge overheads

try sarah nerd or ewan mureaux if you want a quote, but they'll still come in around 40+% less than current market price, simply because of the overheads.

if the land is poor quality then you'll have to take a hit if you sell. rock is pretty well the lowest of low, I ended up taking 3.5/sqm in feb for a piece of 2048 just to get rid of it.

So many people are tiering down or abandoning their land - outside of this adult stuff - that it's not a fabulous time to sell anyway

Goodnight everyone I wish everyone peace and hope tomorrow will be a better day for us all

Not me- I'm relatively new here, and I'm not a coder or a builder (well, I *can* build, but nothing looks right! ) and the only person who has "flamed" me aimed her crap at the whole group of those who were against the changes, then evidently left (Touch Wood!).

It isn't about who has been here the longest or who owns the most land except in one category, Actually moving to Ursula.

The folks who have paid into SL for a long time would like some consideration
The folks who have a lot of land to move would like a little consideration.

I don't think that's all that unreasonable.

Personally, As a guy who has donated his 512 to a group what will most likely have to move (and *wants* to *if* the changes have to happen) I think that land allotment should be in descending order based on how much land you own. LL gets a list together of all the folks who must or want to swap, (landowners whose "mature" land no longer suits their needs should get to swap too, IMHO) and then calls them to Ursula one by one and they pick their spot.

And so it goes until the moving is finished.

Then, for a limited time, say two or three days, the new residents of Ursula should get a chance to "tier up" and buy more property if they like- Dicker amongst themselves, consolidate parcels, shuffle stuff around, and get comfortable.

*then* Ursula should be open to the general public, land speculators, new landowners, etc

The people that are forced to move because of the their parcel content should get special consideration.

The people who bought "mature" mainland for its lack of restrictions and now find that their land is something other than what they paid for, and want what they paid for, land without restrictions, should be given special consideration.

*They* are the ones who are getting shafted, getting kicked out of "decent company" even though no rules have been broken, no TOS violated.


See? that's *my* opinion on one aspect of this change. nobody is flaming me for it or trying to silence me. I'm not an OG here. I'm a newbie who has learned some of the ropes and spends a lot of my time doing other stuff besides SL. However, I *still* have opinions, and my money is just as real as anyone else's.

So jump in and talk about the changes, both pro and con, and "if and when".

-V-

The last few weeks LL is announcing good news and fantastic offers from and for: .com, .org, .edu - folks around the clock, plus they hype so called solution providers on the blogs and they made such a perfect easter-egg-hunt.

This is what I call positive discrimination (while we are negative discriminated)

In other words: they drop their daily PG clusterbombs into the viewer entry and into the blogs and the whole staff is involved in to serve the Pyjamas, the suits and the kindergarten around the clock and through all time-zones with texts and pictures and all possible PR.

To us they sended only Padre Blondinius Lindus "be there a minute, be away again for days" - to give us the last rites before they close the coffin lid and bury us on the holy Saint Ursula graveyard.

So, I will start to make a sign too wich will include a simple website-opener script, to make it easy for people to open this forum on-click in a second.

what's OG mean??