Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

possibly, I don't know as I always have created mine with unique email addresses and changed them afterwards.

But for the purposes of cascading verification this will work nicely.

Thinking about it there would have to be an indicator on file which identifies how it was verified, so if the email address is changed after verification and it was veirified by being linked to a verified account (rather than the alt having payment information or age verifying) then it loses the verification status.

Even though putting a common email address doesn't currently link the alt to the primary account (as far as I can see it does nothing apart from take up screen space) the bit of code for that *should* be relatively easy to construct. what would be interesting to see is just how many common email addresses are used by people who have no real life link to each other.. if that makes sense

Going forward would require more code to allow people to identify an alt at sign up. Think of that as the phase 2 delivery that never will be lol

Really? I created one alt that way a while back but recently I needed a second one and just went ahead and created it with the same email as the primary and first alt have. It went through just fine.

As an aside, just so I could make use of both alts in my design work (their main role, I log them in and use them as placeholders for poseballs and the like when building) I also just verified the pair of them since both are NPIOF

I would submit that the best way to link an alt to a main would be that the alt, named "Mary Stewart" in this example, has to log in to the website with their password, and request linkage to main account "Bill Jones" via a form there, and then the system sends an in-world to account "Bill Jones" which appears on their next login, that asks for confirmation that account "Mary Stewart" is their alt, and confirming permission to link the account. Impossible to do the link without knowing both accounts passwords, and if someone tries to link to an account that is not theirs, the account they tried linking to gets warned of the attempt. Or it could be done via an in-world kiosk, with the information typed on a randomly generated channel for security.

I tried to create an alt as the second on one e-mail account in January, and it failed. I had to use a unique e-mail address.

You will never have a "list of alts" in your SL profile. For one thing, it defeats the point of an alt. For another, it'll shrink LL's userbase numbers to about 1/4 of what current numbers are.

Sorry to RPers everywhere. But you'll have to do the whole Validation on each alt seperately. You don't like that, you say? Join the crowd. There's not one thing about this ENTIRE mess that I can twist and turn into something positive. Nothing at all. It won't work, and it'll harm the users and LL both severely. It won't stop kiddies or prudes from seeing things they don't want to see. It won't convince businesses to spend megabucks here. The press and political muckrakers will still invent stories that sell the most papers, just like when the German media "discovered" age-sex via creating it themselves for the cameras.

This pogram won't clean SL's image, won't improve the experience for anyone, won't attract businesses, and won't wash LL's hands of any legal responsibility. Why they continue on this present course is anyone's guess. I should send M a model of the Titanic with the words "Iceberg? What Iceberg?" under it.

why can't it just be done through the two supposedly secure web pages..

both accounts have the same email entered and then each account enters the other name in the appropriate field.

quick, easy and secure.

That's reasonable. I didn't happen to find alarm from the source BLOG post about it I read, but the issue to me at the time was largely peripheral.



Of course there are things to be alarmed about. I didn't consider (until someone on the 'in favor of' side) pointed out having a third party do age identity is very less than ideal. I'm not suggesting all the concerns against the change are invalid. I'm suggesting those who are pumping out baloney, on whatever side, are not doing themselves favors. Well, then again, perhaps they are getting undecided people to take their angle. Baloney wouldn't be used if it didn't work, and it works rather well, on the whole.

But baloney simply does not provide good long-term credibility. Nor does it provide a solid foundation upon which to engage in reason and discussion.



Correct. Just because a group has some flakes in it does not mean all are flakes. Quote of the "Baloney" page: Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack.



Well, the presumed percentage of those who would move under the new plan. I can't easily track down the Linden number, which I recall as being between 3% to 5%. Since I can't find it, I can't legitimately quote it.

According to "About - *I* Am Adult Content", Quote: Do you find the Linden's claim that only 2-4% of the 'content'in SL is "Adult" positively laughable?

So it appears I have the wrong number anyway, and THEY don't trouble themselves to quote Linden's number. Somewhere in etherspace is the actual number. Would it be possible for a trusted third party to even make the attempt at getting at the real number for those affected?



Well, for starters from my point of view, the 'other side' from me is the side that can't pin claims to source links. Some of that's here in this message thread, but it's pretty clear that the churn rate (new posts on top of new posts) make it terribly difficult to FIND much of anything just for searching. And let's not even get into the multiple locked new starter threads making a situation that's bad suck even worse.

I'm on the side that's happy to quote Linden with source links, happy to document where Linden is misstating their case or giving out false information, and is quite happy to do the same thing for anything any other identifiable group is claiming. Yeah, I'm pretty much in the center on the side for source documenting the sense out of this nonsense. Does that work?

you just reminded me of why I ended up changing all my alts email addresses in the first place..

For those of you who don't know, the email addreess is actually used - it's used to identify unique logins.

Thus in a month you may log in with 20 different alts and if they have unique addresses they're in the stats as 20 different logins. If they're the same email address then they're excluded from the count.

Food for thought for those of you who want to make a protest that's painless and will be immediately reflected to LL

I don't deny that. As I stated before, I'm rather late to the party. And from my point-of-view, Linden's PR on this thing really does not look so good at the moment.

And OH MY GOD the churn on this thread really makes it a bear to follow!

well, since this is supposed to be questions about the upcoming changes rather than discussion about LL business practices or lack thereof or why they're bringing it in, you'll just have to get used to the chaos you're contributing to

I'm going to be AFK for a few hours but I'll be back later tonight.

The "List of alts" doesn't need to be in your publicly-viewable profile. No more than your real name and address and phone number do. It needs to be in Linden Lab's private databases, just like your real name and address and phone number and crredit card info. They are the only ones who need to link the accounts, so that if one is abused, all suffer the penalties. Accountability, not throw-away free alts.

(prologoue: this is mostly in agreement with your post; though it may sound adversarial, I am intending it to echo and reinforce much of what you say)

Yeah, but no one is shoving such in anyone's face, except for griefers, and NOTHING LL is doing with this initiative is addressing that problem any better than it is already addressed now.

No, what this is all about is people who can't control themselves getting ancy about camming around a corner INSIDE someplace they didn't go or didn't want to go, and seeing something "evil" or "naughty". They are repressed voyeurs, and take their repression out on everyone else because they (or their parents/peers) deny it to themselves.



There is.. people can learn to control themselves, and learn that they can't and SHOULDN'T TRY to control others, plus exercise a little tolerance and common sense Draco gave a lizard.

If you are prude, and encounter something that gives you the vapors, just teleport home and mark that place off your map. Simple. Effective.

If you go somewhere and go OUT OF YOUR WAY to find something to give you vapors, then you're opting-in to whatever you find.

If you are a minor, you SHOULDN'T BE HERE in the first place. Go to the Teen Grid, or call DFACS to get some real parents.



I know they do.. many EU countries have data retention / personal ID dissemination laws on the books now.



I think you made the best suggestion of all: LL RETHINK AND RECONSIDER THIS ACTION.

do you actually think anyone is listening any more?? They're all too busy "debating" things that are irrelevant to this to pay any attention to the things you say.. lol

How true! And how futile it would seem for a single web page to clearly outline the salient points.

there are no salient points yet, it's still all supposition for another couple of weeks until the policy is released.

so sit back, grab a drink and enjoy the conversation

The Lindens have this wonderful thing called the Knowledge Base. What is preventing them from putting the FACTS, as they believe them to be now, in that Knowledge Base? They could even add a disclaimer that this is a work in progress, subject to change or revision, and updated most recently on date MM/DD/YYYY.

But that would put them on-record, in a easily accessed spot, for all their policy statements, no matter how contradictory, vague or unworkable. Makes it much harder to justify a "Full steam ahead" course when EVERYONE can see the icebergs.

They started to document things on their website, with an adult content FAQ tha has only been updated by DELETION since this started. They had a policy description for what content would be affected, but that was so broad and badly worded that it would have mandated all Mature content on the grid had to flag as Adult. They yanked that and replaced it with nothing...

I pay attention when he says anything. Course, not much has been said of late, save for some fine tuning and splitting of hairy details about what Blondin believes is and isn't Adult. All his words, however, mean next to nothing, since it's the TOS that will rule our virtual lives, and not his personal opinions.

Do we have a new TOS to follow? Nope.

Do we have guidance on what is and isn't porny? Just a "trust us" on a case by case basis and what certain people "believe" is the correct answer, which will change tomorrow.

Do we have a reason for this? A redacted one, and a lame "improving the predictability of the experience" boilerplate reply.

Do we have example sims and lists of who is and isn't having to go? Nope.

Do we have an explanation of how the figure-nobody-believes of 2-4% was generated? Nope.

Do we know what will happen to the combat sims that are minding their own business and not bothering anyone? Nope.

Do we have any reasons to trust LL in this after everything that has happened in the past year and change? Nope. In fact, the evidence is very strong that what LL will do is the exact opposite of what they say they'll do.

While I see you as one of the more reasonable posters here, I can't honestly say that I agree with your opinion.

From the very day these changes were announces, a vocally obnoxious core, pre-decided the prudish nature of those that supported it, even though those people hadn't even posted yet.

Go and read the early early posts in the locked threads. The topic attracted troll and yuk-yuk supporters, because the reasonable once were castigated before even saying a word.

I've voiced my reasons for supporting these moves many times and got no response ... not even debate on the issue.

People that made posts about how they wouldn't have the time or the ability to relocate, got a personal invitation of help from me, along with an invitation to my sim to judge for themselves if my building skill is up to the task. I sent out eleven messages, and got one rude response. I didn't even get a "no thank you" response from any of the other ten.

I think the biggest reason for lack of respect, is that a lot of people aren't very respectful of others ... just saying.

I suspect if they do this they'll restrict it to five accounts, anyway.

Just to paraphrases here,

LL will do whatever they want, whenever they want and however irrationally and duplicitously they want.

A timeline for the various deliverables for this would be nice. Then at least we'd have something to plan to. Until they finally release their new version of the world we're not going have anything to work with apart from our worst fears - which probably are nowhere near as bad as the final reality.

/me shrugs

Well, I appreciate you

In theory if we stick together and behave like the community we're supposed to be then this will be a lot easier for everyone..

We just need for the anger/denial phase to be over with..

as for disrespecting the prudes.. a couple of pages ago someone here posted they didn't want to go to the 'porn continent' and I can give you links to a freebie hunt organiser who posted essentially that all adult content was porn and would not include any shop that shared a sim with a porn merchant.

ignorance goes both ways

Going forward they should eliminate the use of the avatar name as the account identifier. You would log on to your account, THEN xelect an avatar from a list of avatars belonging to the account. Inventory and L$ would continue to belong to the avatar, US$ credit would belong to the account.

You might have a reasonable limit to the number of accounts to keep the "army of alts" problem down, maybe 20 or so. 5 is just too limiting for role players.

This would eliminate a lot of unnecessary complexity in a number of places in SL. It would also improve security because you wouldn't be broadcasting your actual account name.

which is a great idea - it would be nice to be able to consolidate all my usd/lindens into one account rather than shuffling money around.

but then ideally I'd love to be able to share inventory amongst them too.. now *that* would make me a happy woman

Except you can't, because you can't find them either, so I guess that puts you on "the other side".

There were some threads created containing all the links you want, but they've dropped off the bottom of the forums, and I can't find them.