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Argent Stonecutter
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04-16-2009 06:55
From: Kalderi Tomsen
As far as I understand the Linden proclamations so far, if you are doing it on private property, which isn't in search, then the pictures can be pretty much any content you want. It's only when it becomes public (public events or in search) that it starts tripping up against the Adult Content stuff.
That contradicts what Blondin said about "living above the shop". He said you can have a regular store and a private skybox on the same parcel... so long as the skybox itself wasn't public. That means search itself is not the distinction: it's possibly whether the content itself is part of the build advertised in the search.
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Alyxanndria Imako
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04-16-2009 06:57
IMHO, this whole adult continent thing is a prime example of doing the wrong thing for all the right reasons. Nobody (myself included) likes having extreme sex or violence shoved in their face, but this kind of sequestration is not the best answer; there must be a better way to implement protection for those who have no wish to encounter the seamier and kinkier aspects of the Grid that does not involve additional hassle and red tape for the average Resident(ie age verification; firstly, if you're not 18+, what are you doing on the adult grid in the first place?; secondly, I remain unconvinced of the security surrounding the age verification software and such; I'd think there are governments who have concerns about a foreign corporation holding information like the social insurance numbers of some of its citizens). Do I have a viable alternative to suggest? Sadly, not at this time, but I have many brain cells dedicatedly working on it, and will shout it from the hilltops if I come up with anything. In the meantime, I implore the Lab to rethink this. There must be a better way....
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04-16-2009 07:00
From: Brenda Connolly
You are right for the most part. There was Ginko and other outright scams, but there werea couple that I know of that seemed on the level. Blanket banning was and is the way LL deals with all difficult decisions.
Any of the banks that were on the level could continue operate inside SL by complying with the legal reporting requirements mandated by the Feds. The banking decision basically came down to any banks inside SL having to legally be financial institutions in RL as well.
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04-16-2009 07:03
From: Alyxanndria Imako
IMHO, this whole adult continent thing is a prime example of doing the wrong thing for all the right reasons. Nobody (myself included) likes having extreme sex or violence shoved in their face, but this kind of sequestration is not the best answer; there must be a better way to implement protection for those who have no wish to encounter the seamier and kinkier aspects of the Grid that does not involve additional hassle and red tape for the average Resident(ie age verification; firstly, if you're not 18+, what are you doing on the adult grid in the first place?; secondly, I remain unconvinced of the security surrounding the age verification software and such; I'd think there are governments who have concerns about a foreign corporation holding information like the social insurance numbers of some of its citizens). Do I have a viable alternative to suggest? Sadly, not at this time, but I have many brain cells dedicatedly working on it, and will shout it from the hilltops if I come up with anything. In the meantime, I implore the Lab to rethink this. There must be a better way....



Check out Argent's Jira - *that's* the best way to solve the majority of this.
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04-16-2009 07:03
From: Sindy Tsure
Can we go back to talking about something topical?
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04-16-2009 07:05
From: Argent Stonecutter
Any of the banks that were on the level could continue operate inside SL by complying with the legal reporting requirements mandated by the Feds. The banking decision basically came down to any banks inside SL having to legally be financial institutions in RL as well.
To the best of my knowledge, only one SL Bank continued operation. First Meta. They are legally incorporated as a bank in Singapore, and were regulated legally in that manner from their founding, well before the ban.
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04-16-2009 07:11
From: Rime Wirsing
Since when did corporate America become the standard to which the world should aspire?
Since sbout 1890.
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04-16-2009 07:20
From: Deltango Vale
Since sbout 1890.

Perhaps this is one of the posts you'd like to remove. The last thing this thread needs is a slanging match about the great satan.

This thread has descended into such irrelevancy now that Blondin didn't bother to post yesterday and no one noticed..

so perhaps it's time we got back to asking questions again.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-16-2009 07:22
From: Deltango Vale
This is the kind of customer service I expect in France or Britain; the clumsiness of it is breathtaking - and it's an American company!


Its funny but this is what they say in Europe about USA companies and their CS its no wonder so many have their CS depts outsourced here in Europe ;)

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You know how enthusiastic I was about Second Life when I first arrived. We never imagined we'd be here in this forum discussing such a bizarre topic three years later. At least - thank all the gods - I didn't invest serious money into SL. I shudder at the losses I would have suffered at the hands of Linden Lab due to the extraordinarily UNPREDICTABLE management experience since 2007.


I agree with you never invest more than you can afford to lose overnight, SL is not the most stable of investments but then how many US companies are at the moment :)
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Rime Wirsing
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04-16-2009 07:22
From: Deltango Vale
Since sbout 1890.


December 29, 1890
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04-16-2009 07:22
From: Rime Wirsing
Excuse me????

Since when did corporate America become the standard to which the world should aspire? Have you read the news lately?

Rime


A lot of people in the USA still think that way, such a shame especially when the rest of the world is the bigger player base here nowadays :)
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04-16-2009 07:30
From: Milla Janick
I believe eventually they'll have to put an end to NPIOF accounts. I suspect they don't because they realize doing so would seriously impact the entire SL economy. I guess they figure the Adult sector of the economy is robust enough to handle it. Requiring part of the users to be verified seems to be a fairly useless measure.

I don't believe they'll ever switch Ursula into a PG continent, unless they do a drastic about face before they make anyone move there. Depending on the final definitions of adult content, the rest of the mainland may end up effectively being PG, the actual rating being meaningless.


But as Meade suggested if LL has got its figures wrong and to many pornificate their land up to get the move it may get LL to consider alternatives as they said they didn't rule out a PG continent if there was demand, maybe by enforcing a blanket verification across all accounts then they can create a PG in Ursula and leave the rest of the grid as it is.

So lets hope enough people make Adult land and apply for the move and maybe they will settle for across the board verification instead and a bonus to that would be it would cut the BOTs down perhaps :)

But again none of us know but LL have been known to change tack and personally i think across the board account verification would be a better way to go. Maybe less impacting in the end, as i have always said it will be an interesting few months :)
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Meade Paravane
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04-16-2009 07:40
From: Qie Niangao
...but I think Meade has it right.

Really?? Well, a million hedgehogs with a million keyboards, I guess.. :)

I also noticed that the original statement says "2-4% of the parcels" would have to move, which is different than 2-4% of the land. Not sure how it's different, though, given the number of things like full-sim ocean parcels and 16m2 parcels on the mainland...
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Milla Janick
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04-16-2009 07:53
From: Lord Sullivan
But as Meade suggested if LL has got its figures wrong and to many pornificate their land up to get the move it may get LL to consider alternatives as they said they didn't rule out a PG continent if there was demand, maybe by enforcing a blanket verification across all accounts then they can create a PG in Ursula and leave the rest of the grid as it is.

I believe the only demand for a PG continent is from people who are being evicted from their Mature parcels now.

Everyone who thinks a PG or Adult continent is a great idea seems to think so when it's someone else who is getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

Linden Lab will probably be able to make more money from an adult continent where businesses are required to operate than from a new PG continent no one is actually required to go to. Ursula = fully occupied, highly desirable themed land. A new PG continent does not present nearly such potential.

Besides, they'll end up having, what, eight effectively PG continents when this is done anyway.
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Blondin Linden
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04-16-2009 07:54
From: Jake Ansett


Specifically, regarding my mainland, I do not have sex shops or sex toys on my land, and I do not have orgy parties. I do have some wall art in some of my homes, that while definitely not X-rated, certainly i wouldn't want my 9 year old to see them. These pictures are not publicly on display either. Also, I do enjoy an occasional non-sexual, but perhaps sometimes "not clothed" romp around the house or in the hotub with a friend.

That said, is it likely that these things will put me in a category of needing to move to the mainland porno sims?


No, the situation you described would not be classified as adult.
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04-16-2009 07:57
From: Rime Wirsing
Excuse me????

Since when did corporate America become the standard to which the world should aspire? Have you read the news lately?

Rime


Actually it is still the model to aspire to, just not the version of it currently being practiced here. 20 or so years of political interference have warped and destroyed it.
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04-16-2009 08:01
From: Brenda Connolly
Actually it is still the model to aspire to, just not the version of it currently being practiced here. 20 or so years of political interference have warped and destroyed it.


Political interference brought about the current trend towards over-automation of customer service, where everything seems to revolve around the automation rather than the needs of the clients or customers?

How has political interference adversely affected customer service, or is that just an ideological line on your part?
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04-16-2009 08:03
From: Milla Janick
I believe the only demand for a PG continent is from people who are being evicted from their Mature parcels now.

Everyone who thinks a PG or Adult continent is a great idea seems to think so when it's someone else who is getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

Linden Lab will probably be able to make more money from an adult continent where businesses are required to operate than from a new PG continent no one is actually required to go to. Ursula = fully occupied, highly desirable themed land. A new PG continent does not present nearly such potential.


We are affected and i do not agree with a totally PG continent instead of totally adult. What i do believe in is across the board account verification rather than anyone moving, be it adult or PG.

However i do see why LL are doing it as it will be a revenue spinner and i hope in time it will be better for adult businesses. I don't stand to lose anything as the money i invest into the game is disposable for us as its linked to a RL business i can keep putting in what i spend each month for as long as i need as i do not need to see a cash return, i feel sorry for those that don't have the same safety net as we do for instance. I could just as easy pay for other forms of advertising but SL has proven its good value for money per sign up over time and better than a lot of the banner campaigns we run each month which is far more expensive than what i spend here, as we have found a good balance and return on our spending with SL, while banner advertising is so unpredictable :)
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04-16-2009 08:08
From: Blondin Linden
No, the situation you described would not be classified as adult.


But his/her *freedom*, to buy, rezz, create, exhibit, express, sell or give away anything spontaneus IS GONE from now on. To be on the safe side and equiped with full freedom for any spontaneus idea he/she would have to move to Ursula, to not risk sudden suspensions, bans, AR's.

People are mostly *not* fixated or static all day long if they are owner of a brain and some fantasy and different moods.

So, question again: can anybody swap land for free, independend from what one has actual/momentay on his/her land, in his/her mind, in his/her artistic/intellectual repertoire?

?
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04-16-2009 08:48
From: Ceera Murakami
But those weapons shop guys shoot back! *smirk*
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"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free."

Just so long as I don't end up being sent back to the beginning of time to explode into the Big Bang. That would suck.
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04-16-2009 08:49
From: Ceera Murakami
To the best of my knowledge, only one SL Bank continued operation. First Meta. They are legally incorporated as a bank in Singapore, and were regulated legally in that manner from their founding, well before the ban.
Wow. I wasn't aware that any had bothered... I assumed there wasn't enough money in SL to support a real bank.
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04-16-2009 08:54
From: Brenda Connolly
Actually it is still the model to aspire to, just not the version of it currently being practiced here. 20 or so years of political interference have warped and destroyed it.
The political interference that destroyed much of the potential of the US economic system happened around the end of the Civil War, though it wasn't until WWII that things really got completely screwed up.

And what do you have against George Bush Sr., anyway?
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04-16-2009 09:03
From: Alexander Harbrough
Political interference brought about the current trend towards over-automation of customer service, where everything seems to revolve around the automation rather than the needs of the clients or customers?

How has political interference adversely affected customer service, or is that just an ideological line on your part?


It's destroyed the free market as a whole.Inconsistent and abitrary regulation, special interests, oppressive taxation, etc has allowed for less competition, inferior products at higher prices and lack of choice...which has affected customer service. Companies don't worry about keeping your business because you don't have many other choices, so they outsource CS, not because it better but because it is cheaper. We are now seeing outsourced services being outsourced because someone will do it even cheaper.

Henry Ford was right when he said industry should strive to provide the highest quality goods as possible, at the lowest price possible, paying the highest wage possible.

His political and social views were suspect in many ways, but on business matters he was usually on target.
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04-16-2009 09:06
From: Argent Stonecutter
The political interference that destroyed much of the potential of the US economic system happened around the end of the Civil War, though it wasn't until WWII that things really got completely screwed up.



Agreed.
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04-16-2009 09:12
1) I'm Sorry I've been MIA recently.
2) It is totally my fault
3) My schedule is getting back to normal after a busy few days so I'll be around more.

Please keep asking questions as I'm getting back to the 8 a day. As a heads up, may not happen today (its my commute day) but we have a set of 8 in the pipeline that we're working on. Keep asking!!

Couldbe started a nice thread about tips and tricks to help move. Tech questions would be great there and I'll point out the thread to the team, urging them to post. /327/8c/316622/1.html