Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

since you're floating around Lord, Melody Regent posted this over at xsl



https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=101790

what is she talking about?? Surely they didn't say no sex on what will be the mature land left behind??

But that would be typical Linden Logic

ah yes.. I forgot for a second who we were dealing with lol

No at no time did they say no sex would be allowed on mature land well certainly you can have pixel humping in your own homes, the information i got from the overall meeting was those that have public activities on their land as in sexual would have to move for instance like our sim.

I so hope that Blondin gets the audio posted asap or did she attend another meeting today? i did post on the comments from her notecard but i am wondering what meeting she was at although i saw her avie at the one i was at but she seemed to not fully understand what was said or just heard something different to what i did

I don't post on slx as i cannot follow all the forums but maybe she should come and post here with her thoughts as she has perceived them.

This was posted in reference to the meeting yesterday (ok I'm assuming here).. and I was beginning to wonder if she was at the same meeting as the rest of you

As far as I understand the Linden proclamations so far, if you are doing it on private property, which isn't in search, then the pictures can be pretty much any content you want. It's only when it becomes public (public events or in search) that it starts tripping up against the Adult Content stuff.

So based on what you have said, and what I understand from LL you should be fine.

Sitting naked in a hottub is about as equivalent to a nude beach and Blondin has said that public nude beaches aren't even considered Adult Content, you doing the equivalent in private is in no way "Adult" but should be done on "Mature"-rated land.

Hope this helps.

(Trying to get the questions answered and not further adding to the clutter!)

If I recall we were discussing a scenario in which it would be permisable to have sexgen furniture on *PG* land (namely if the sexual animations were never used). The Linden's didn't believe that this was a likely scenario, until someone present said that they had a sexgen furniture but that they never use the animations - they'd bought it because they liked the furniture not because of the inbuilt animations.

Matthew

I don't want to derail this thread, but I disagree (see previous post for a transcript of Mitch Kapor on the issue). What I would say is that some of the banks were well run and others weren't. Some of the banks were legit and others were ponzi schemes. As an 'adult', one is responsible for evaluating situations and making decisions. Such a decision is whether to invest in any financial organization offering very high returns. The same 'adult' who claims a right to freedom of sexual preferences must accept equal freedom and responsibility for investment decisions - whether it's investing in a virtual bank or buying virtual land. In this virtual world, we are all screaming to be treated as adults, yet on other issues, we run to mommy's apron strings.

Well i hope Blondin picks it up and answers soon as this sort of misinformation confuses an already confusing situation

Have fun i am off to do RL as this RL avie can't say awake any longer lol

night, pleasant dreams

You are right for the most part. There was Ginko and other outright scams, but there werea couple that I know of that seemed on the level. Blanket banning was and is the way LL deals with all difficult decisions. The are too lazy or incompetent, or both, to look deeply into a problem and find the right soulution. They will take the easiest way out, be it s draconian sweep of the table, or ignore it until it reaches critical mass and then act in panic. In the end, it doesn't matter. they get off the hook, and the residents are left cleaning up the mess.

Was Mitch even on board during the gambling ban?

(about 1/3 in)

Adam Pasick: The banking ban...were you involved in that decision?

Mitch Kapor: Let me talk about the gambling ban because that was the earlier incarnation. The Board was briefed on the situation, the staff and the company developed with the attorneys a view on what the issues were and it was presented to the Board and the Board made a decision. And so with big issues like that, the Board has to be involved in it and similarly we were aware of the issues with the banking and some time ago, despite what I think I read in the paper today - this just happened yesterday...

AP: The thing in the Wall Street Journal...

MK: Yeah I think it happened...

AP: A couple days ago, right...

MK: Or last week...

AP: The banking ban, yeah, a few weeks old...

MK: Well, it's not a ban, right, it just says...

AP: A ban on unregulated banking...

MK: Right, if you're going to be a Second Life bank, you have to have...you have to show that you're chartered by a terrestrial authority to do that.

AP: To be fair, though, all of the banks that were in Second Life, none of them could meet that requirement.

MK: No they couldn't and so they had to close down.

AP: Right.

added that link to post 2 of this thread

Since legitimate banks are not prohibited from operating in SL, I can only conclude that none of the "banks" in question were legitimate.

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2008/01/08/new-policy-regarding-in-world-banks

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/security.asp?questionID=4899

Or it wasn't worth the effort to get legitimatized.

ta

The problem is that you continue to mischaracterize the situation.

I wasn't for the ban on banks because people couldn't be adult enough to make good decisions about where they put their money. I personally didn't (and still don't) care that people were gullible enough to throw their money away. What I cared about was the overall net effect of allowing the fraud to continue, and the fallout on the economy had they been allowed to stay open. Yeah, some good "banks" (supposedly; honestly, I never saw one that I didn't consider a Ponzi) got tossed out with the rest of the garbage, but oh well. Problem is that even they posed a potential legal risk because they called themselves "banks" when they were nothing of the kind.

What I find particularly telling is that banks are still quite capable of operating in SL; LL didn't ban all banks. They only required some official documentation that the entities behind them were actually "on the hook" for the money. Since "real" banks can't offer the kind of returns the frausters were offering, nobody is interested anymore.

The same is true of the land harassment and extortion parasites and their victims. It was about the harassment tactics and the damage to the mainland and land values that was the principle issue, not that some poor schmuck got goaded into paying L$1000+/sqm for a donut hole, though certainly it was a significant contributing factor.

In short, I have never been about being anyone's "nanny" when it comes to SL banks and land extortion, but fraud is fraud; it is wrong, and it needs to be stopped, just like any other criminal activity.

I mean, if it is going to be a universal "caveat emptor", why have fraud laws in the first place? "What, you didn't SEE that it was a fraud from the beginning? Sucker! Idiot!" Yeah, I am a firm believer in stupid should hurt, too, but why let people profit from it? What message does that send?

see subject

Stop

Just out of curiosity, where is the line between "trying to talk LL out of this catastrophically bad idea" and "Opinions and Agenda-pushing"?

I apologize if my unwillingness to simply accept this change as a done deal is inconveniencing anyone in any way, but the *best* way of accomplishing the changes that LL wants to make is to do something *other* than what LL seems hell-bent on doing!

Frankly, I personally find the "Why bother? LL is going to do whatever it wants, so quit whining" posts to be counterproductive and "noise crowding the signal", but hey, that's the way some folks feel about this.

Some like it, some don't care, and what seems to me like a majority *don't want it*. LL isn't being *forced* to do it by RL law or a lawsuit or something, they're *choosing* to do it. which means that the only thing standing in the way of them *changing their plans* is ego and inertia.

Ego and inertia are crappy reasons for *any* business decision.

That's why I keep banging my head against a wall here- the hope that *maybe* LL will realize that they are proceeding on *bad information* (how many people this will affect, what residents think of the idea of a "more predictable" SL, etc).

-V-

If it wasn't worth the effort to get legitimized to operate something as critically important as a BANK, then I am glad they didn't bother.

Running a business is a serious chore by itself. Those who don't believe it is worth the effort to get legitimized (via incorporation, business license, tax ID, etc) aren't generally in business very long, much to the chagrin of their customers, and the rest of the business world left to clean up their messes after them.

Yeah. Banks were crap.

Can we go back to talking about something topical?

Sure, I can play the umpteenth rendering of "Moby Dick" in operatic form.

Maybe you prefer like a little Don Quixote? It is quite exquisite!

Sorry.. it just seems like we're otherwise going around in circles with LL on something they just aren't going to change significantly without someone going to LL HQ and knocking the two MK's heads together.

Just a sec, I think I have some calamine lotion around here someplace

(ducking and running)

-V-

Seems the idea is this, there in the future will be only two types of land Adult and PG as no ones going to be touching mature land with a barge pole as you will never know if somethings allowed or not, people say they(LL) havent been making that much money latly and have hired a few new people something's got to pay for that. So there we go, the answer is clear, its a money making scheme.