Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Europeans will be able to verify just like everyone else and access the same content.

I'll see if I can work on getting you an updated answer to your question.



Descriptions / pictures in profiles should conform to the TOS and PG standards. Land Descriptions for an adult region will not.




True - but you can change the text after you add a pick to your profile. Also - if a non verified account follows a link from a profile to an Adult rated region, they will be given a message and instructions on how to verify to be able to access the content.



We are not disabling the ability to add Ursula picks to profiles.



They closed about 2 weeks ago when this one opened up. It was really hard for me to keep going back and forth between 5 different threads.

When we did Burning Life last year, there were several land rushes at various times that made things a bit more fair for the Europeans. I wouldn't be opposed to this idea here. I'll bring it back to the team and see what they say.

5 uninterrupted posts?!? Where is everyone?

Answering questions over voice allowed us to address more questions in the allotted time.

Ok, I'll be back later.

they've given up and gone back to their lives

I ask this question after having a conversation with a gentleman at the FTC, (U.S.A, Federal Trade Commission), fraud complaint center.

I have been in SL for just over a year now and didn't come to the forums, and still don't blog. If it weren't for a conversation group discussion about intolerance in second life, I would not have known about this issue. Gossip is not a means to properly promulgate such a drastic change. Misinformation, misrepresenting, holding back information, while selling a product on line is criminal fraud, prosecutable by the U.S. Federal government. TOS does allow for changes, however it does not give a license to partake in criminal behavior.

Has Linden Labs clearly done anything to inform existing and potential new adult businesses that they may not be getting what they believe they are paying for by purchasing Mature mainland?

How does Linden Labs intend on making these changes known to everyone, currently in world and potential new residents?

Who will be deciding if someone is "gaming" the system to get land on the adult continent, that by current standards they purchased when buying in a Mature region?

Now that is very interesting. Can people from outside the US lodge a complaint and how long have you got between the the fraud is committed and the complaint is made?

I got scammed by them a couple of years ago though them holding back information whilst continuing to sell mainland, it would be very interesting to see what your nice gentleman thinks..

and of course all those people who bought openspace around the time of the announcement might be interested too.

of course the mainland issue is different. LL isn't selling the mainland, it belongs to residents who are selling it on. I think it's been quite a while since any mainland regions were released for sale by LL although I haven't checked for a while.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are all of you THAT bad at typing?

Long since realized we were not getting any answers to the real questions? One of the key ones is 'define adult' since we have conflicting information from LL. If the answer is pretty much 'we are still working on it' then the obvious next one is 'how did you get 2-4% without a definition to work with?'.

What's left to answer? It's every person for themselves as far as the land is concerned, and to get onto it you will either use a method of verifying that does nothing to prove a person is of age , PIOF, leaving the business owner just as open to liability as before, or using one that is hopelessly broken, and has been since day one, so a lot of people who want to get to your place will not be able to.

So we have land grabbing, price gouging,useless policies and controls, and inconvenience for a lot of people.

I guess you can't get a more predictable SL experience than that. Mission Accomplished!

I certainly would not assume that LL means we have 9 days to *claim* the land. Giving us 9 days to move, I think the 9-day timer would start once you claim the land, then you have 9 days to get your stuff off the old land and onto the new. At least that is how I understood it...

Blondin, can you clarify?

Will we have 9 days to claim the land once our ticket is picked?

or

Will we have 9 days to move our stuff from mainland to Urusula AFTER we claim the land?

I would LOVE to see all these people being forced to move all contacting the FTC fraud complaint center. Let the Lindens know that the law of the land still frowns on taking money and then swapping out for a different product. And guess what - people buying land Y and then being forced to take land Z instead, that's STILL a bait and switch, even on the internet.

As LL found out in Bragg vs LL, the TOS isn't a blanket protection that allows them to take your money and then do anything they want. When you pay to go see an R rated movie and the management changes the film to "Benji" because they think someone may have brought a child in (can't see - it's dark), then you have every right to be pissed - they took your money and aren't delivering what you paid for. And nothing in this current direction will make mainland clean and safe if everyone can still have poseballs in their private homes.

The prudes won't be happy since they can still cam and find naughty stuff.

The corporations won't be happy with this accomplishes-little step.

The gov won't consider it to be enough to protect the wee ones.

The newbs will still be pelted by penises in the new citizen center (seriously, if you can't keep a handful of sims straight, how are you gonna do it across the grid?)

The customers you've stabbed in the back after sticking with you through thick and thin certainly won't be happy. What do unhappy customers do, again?

I am not happy because I cannot allow my oldest daughter to join teen SL, because denials from LL about no teens coming to main grid aren't worth the air it takes to utter them.

Existing businesses inworld already aren't happy because SL has not provided a stable landscape to operate a business in. Many have already left because they can't stay afloat where the rules change weekly.

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Lindens... M, Blue, whoever... Guys... come on. Ask yourselves aloud what your goals are, then step back and honestly ask yourself if your current direction with all the complications and shortcomings is really going to accomplish those goals. There are alternatives, and a smart, nimble company should be able to make smart, nimble decisions. Only obsolete companies that are too big to steer anymore set a bad direction and then stay on a bad course no matter what.

I'm sorry I am not well informed on the international implications. I am also not versed in Federal Statute of Limitations. As for them selling mainland, I purchased a plot of land through the Linden Labs auctions to try and fill my teir, about a month ago when all this came to light. At the time there was no disclaimer warning me of any impending changes.

Here is a link to the FTC website, I did notice an international section as an option.
http://www.ftc.gov/index.shtml

I do need to add I was informed, currently Linden Labs has not violated the law against myself so not worth filing at the moment.

Apt.

full post here /352/11/314444/57.html#post2383239

note that after the 9 days your current mainland parcel is claimed by them - so you have 9 days to buy the new one and move.

Well, the land may not be direct money to LL's coffers (although several buyers ago it was) the key thing is you are paying a monthly hosting fee (tier) to LL for server space (land) with a defined usage (mature).

So, yes, they are selling you a product/service and changing the terms after you took advantage of the offer and invested your money into what is the rough equivalent of creating a web site. Possibly they would be able to make a change on your next billing cycle (although that is highly debatable), but not on the one you are currently on.

Wow, thanks for that! Guess that answers that! Nine days to claim AND move...easy enough for me and my little 2048...I do NOT envy those of you who have large builds

Will people *PLEASE* stop deleting posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 to the request that people stop deleting their posts!

If what you said was so unimportant, please don't waste anyone's time posting it in the first place.

Well, if you walk down the streets of Los Angeles, fake driver's license and fake social security cardss are sold openly in the streets to the illegal immigrants to find work. The only good news is that when they use your stolen identity to work, they pay into your retirement system, and you actually get free social security benefit from them

Stolen ID is not just used to get legal employment in the US, but also used to get hospital care. Just read on:
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/04/08/illegal-immigrant-used-stolen-identity-to-get-hospital-care/

There is an estimate of 12 million illegal immigrants in the US. I'm sure there is probably an equivalent number of illegal immigrants in Europe too.

Do you not see how big the black market is for cloning your ID? Why do they not use fictional name and ID number for their fake ID? Because it evades detection from law enforcement, such as when they are stopped in a traffic stop and check their driver's license, their identity is valid on the computer database, as a real person with valid info, so no one ever suspect them if the ID is a fictitious person.

If you think identity cloning is not big business in the black market, just think of the criminals who clone your passport to smuggle people into your country under your name!

1) Because LL will maintain the OS software, the hardware, the general customer service of the platform, and other related expensive annoyances.

2) Because you already have a sizable, identifiable community you can easily market to.

3) Because the alternatives are not quite as 'handy' to direct people to as a web page URL or an SURL. If I could give an SURL that simply happens to direct person to my GRID of choice, a non LL grid, that would be very different.

4) Because the shadow of content security is still slightly thicker with LL's Main Grid than with the alternatives.

5) Because of established flow of money recognized within the community. A business sets up to chase money. How easy is it to get money flowing my direction with OLG or OSG?

6) Because OLG/ OSG are not yet caught up on the best bells & whistles compared with Linden Main Grid.

If I'm not correct on these points, I cheerfully accept correction. $31 USD/ month are at stake when I narrowly escaped being officially laid off from work for a week this week. Fortunately orders came in enough for me to work 30 hours for the week instead of zero hours. I can't be the only person on the SL main grid feeling the squeeze, wistfully looking at a reason to dump the main grid.



LL is going to follow the money. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The disagreement comes in on where you think the money is to be chased vs. the suit in charge of chasing it at the corporate level.

I would be interested.

EDIT: Given the requirement to have some kind of ID on file, I expect this would be the least-griefed Linden-operated sandbox in SL. Possibly also the most crowded with legitimate residents, but at least nobody's day-old alt would be dropping replicating penis-cubes on it.

I recall reading that as well, but I remembered the number incorrectly.



For which it appears a trustworthy 'clearing house' maintained by a third party would be very useful to 1) point to the source URL as it happens to exist at the moment of archiving, and 2) archive against the willful destruction and distortion of the documented history of the entire discussion.



A non-existent archive maintained by a trusted third party. Pity, that.