Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

So let's say LL manages to make it possible for those of us who prefer to have politically incorrect Second Life to move to an Adult sim without un-reimbursed cost in dollars or effort and manages to come around to an 'Opt-In' rather than problematic 'Age Verification' approach. Let's agree that, having done so they have made SL actually safer than the rest of the Internet since no such 'Opt-In' exists anywhere else in any organized way.

Let's assume LL gives us ways of hiding our entire existence from any who have not opted in to 'Adult Content' which is something the Lindens must offer us to protect US from the problems they create in promising a 'safe' experience.

Let's assume all that is true.

Furthermore, let's assume that those of us who don't like this move to political correctness completely withdraw even our 'clean' products and services from availability on the 'sanitized continent'. (This is something we should do simply to support the full expanse of adult and non-adult in our segregated-off world.)

Let's assume all that's true...

Why do we then care if they merge the Teen grid? Sure, it may mean more grid-wide quality of service issues but so? Having done all this, LL is highly motivated to fix them since, according to this ill-conceived premise, they want to make themselves more desirable to 'mainstream' use. Business will be less tolerant of grid failures than those of us happily more on the bleeding edge both technologically and from a cultural tolerance perspective.

- Kyle

That is precisely what I would like to see someone from Linden Labs elaborate on.

Its quite surprising, nearly 2 weeks on....and a ton of people still clueless about these proposed changes!

There was a real estate agent once (I won't mention her name) - mad as a hatter, mean as a junkyard dog - who caused more damage and misery in SL than anyone I have ever met. In fact, when Blondin asked me what I consider offensive, I should have mentioned a sky-high tower of KFC buckets. Give me raw porn any day over that.

I don't think it is reasonable, at this point in time, to refer to it as a "residence exemption".

See, the thing is, right now there are precisely ZERO people listing as residences because they're trying to game the system. The two top reasons for people listing as residences are:

* They're renting residential space, like an apartment building, in which case they ABSOLUTELY should not be treated as public space. And, yes, people absolutely do rent apartments in apartment buildings, and engage in sexplay on their sexbeds with their SL SOs in them.

* They were looking at the settings, and pulled down the "search" box, and thought "oh, cool" or "I want people to be able to find me" or didn't think at all... but just checked the box. And, well, however many of them there are, I think it would be downright unfair for any of them to get ARed and suspended because some griefer decided it would be fun to cam around and AR people listed in search.

On top of that, there's all the people who have something public at ground level, and something not public half a kilometer or three above it. Search can't be partitioned vertically, and pretty close to 100% of THESE aren't trying to game the system either.

Do these have a common API? Do other desktops like GNUstep share this API? What if you use Firefox on a KDE desktop or Konqueror on a Gnome desktop?

How dare you make will-nilly claims and assumptions about a culture and stigma while hiding behind the fact that rules of civil discourse prevent us from pointing out endless examples of stigma unfairly ascribed to Native American cultures based on the poor behavior of a minority?

How dare you be so high and mighty when so many Native American Tribes and groups are finally getting their long overdue shot at making real money in the society that was inflicted on them by opening... CASINOS.

I wholeheartedly approve of so many tribes' success in finding ways to start and profit with such ventures just as much as I do of more culturally relevant ventures done to advance the Native American cause. I confess my sense of irony LIKES how successful the casinos are but that doesn't mean I think they are or should be the only or primary examples of the empowerment of oppressed cultures.

The bottom line is the very group Nany purports to represent has successfully and honorably exploited ADULT business opportunities and the reality is her complaints are rooted in her own biases and bigotry about [bold]fantasy[/bold] sex and violence.

She demonstrably doesn't represent who she claims to. She is almost certainly as much a pariah in her own culture as she is in this one and she's made her point. She is resolutely unwilling to understand what she criticizes. Fine. We get it. Let's move on. Were she not a 'lone gunman' a few dozen of her supporters would have chimed in. They haven't. They will now once she has a chance to make a few ALTs but they haven't yet.

She wants SL segregated and, most of all, has offered not one single constructive suggestion for how to do so in a fair and equitable way while so many of us have.

Somebody cited the 'mute' feature and I suggest we do the very thing we wish she would. Use it and don't see content we consider vile and worthless rather than impose our view on her with any further response. If you feel you must reply, just link back to this post and we can all avoid having the boards get too scrolly.

- Kyle

After much insight into this topic.. i really can't say much but i can note a few things out<
1) If it weren't for the Media's interference, i seriously doubt LL woulda made a move on this subject as soon as they had but thats imho..
2) Yes there is alot of adult content in SL as is alot of everything as SL is a world of the people an the people make SL what it is thanks to LL's contribution to a sometimes very dull an limited life of one AND even to a busy life of the other..
3) Yes practices an standards should be met an should have been done to start with BUT we as a being KNOW that nothing is perfect till perfection has been issued an even then there are flaws still, if LL's were to have made a perfect world well i seriously doubt THAT SL would have even ben created to a working program as of yet.. would still be a work in progress Kudo's to LL for what they offer to us an have from the begining..!!!
4) I admit i have bad days an good ones, what else is knew in the world right? Even though i have a bad one i would NEVER condemn SL or LL's for what they offered for the simple fact I as a HUMAN being have the sense to AVOID said content IF i choose so already~! Doesn't everyone? I mean, LL's have ALREADY made that possible.!
>>>Word filter, search filter, mute, ect.. comeon already.. if you find adult content.. then Obviously YOU made the effort or lack of effort to AVOID it!.. OR someone should be reported for NOT following the ALREADY set guidlines, in the TOS, ;p <<<
I do see a few sims on occasion that are rated PG with Adult content. Still its NOT in my face when i see it.. more over i find it usually thru curiousty of whats inside.. like DUR i cant read the sign at the DOOR! ;D >Which yes i do forget how to read sometimes *rolls eyes*<

(My rant!)
1) media is ALWAYS seeing their side.. not 1 episode or documentary has of yet to MY knowledge ADMITTED that LL's provide a service that condones to EVERYONES way of life if the individual in question So deems it..
A) LIke a crippled person who can not engage in adult activities.
B) A curious mind experiencing or seeing something in general they would NEVER be able to.. Vacation, travel, explore..
c) Learn an create ingeneral with all the tools provided that would normally cost Hundreds to thousands to replicate outside SL.
2)So many aspects or perspectives but yet in Still as always its a one sided matter, *shakes head* so muct to do an learn.. but one thing added to mix that a particular individual has issues with an bleh to a part of or whole of its creation..
3) THEY are NOT forcing SEX or explicity to anyone.. The individual chooses NOT to use provided filters ect.. or go where they should NOT be if NOT what they are hunting for..
If someone doesn't follow guidlines then condemn them.. NOT the collective!
4) So many single minded people running around an says bad of what THEY don't like instead of allowing others to do what THEY do enjoy especially when its not physically harmful to anyone unless a said person chooses to harm oneself for a reason.. but THAT is self proclaimed an still not Forced.
5) Another reason to thumb someone or ones success at the lack of effort on ones behalf (ie) the lack of effort to correctly parent ones child.

Tsk, TSK.. Simply put IMHO if you can NOT find time for this issue of Proper parenting, then remove the PC from your HOME.. Do NOT waste or bother anothers time for the fact that you will NOT make that effort if proof resides that children HAVE already seen said content on YOUR personal HOME computer! Sex is everywhere an WILL BE as long as a being exists!! Can't hide the world an nature in choice unless YOU make the effort an even then good luck on that.. with the scantaly clad women in undi commercials or some said male stimulant commercial or everyones favorite Skinamax from movie providers
..don't expect US to do it for you So without further adieu, LEAVE LL's & the PEOPLES creation of SL ALONE unless you are adding to or making better an already great thing!
ciao! an YAY...i think first post on my part~!

" Has anyone ever considered how many mentally disturbed folk have opened a SL acccount and are wandering around the grid unchecked? "


So I, and others also afflicted with a mental illness would be forced to relocate to a " Mentally Sick Land " or is there some sort of verification process that I needed to fill out before signing up certifying my sanity but didn't see? ... My illness prevents me from socializing in the " real world " and SL is a place where I can be, and usually am, able to interact with " adults ". ( This is a general statement, not directed at anyone in particular )

I was under the impression that this Main grid is supposed to be for adults, of all types and persuasions, even those immature enough or not capable of TPing away from a place they find ' offensive '. I mean, how hard is it to map out of a place you have " accidentally " TP'd or wandered into in the first place?

Cheers,
Trilla

1. Sex Worker, not prostitute. You are aware of the distinction, right?

2. It kind of demolishes your claim that even being a *customer* of a sex worker is the kiss of death. Everyone knows. Nobody cares.

Trilla, I think the comment you refer to was indirectly aimed at a certain persistent poster who has been exasperating many of us for some time now.

Your post touches an interesting issue though, which has been raised earlier in the thread - once segregation starts, where does it end?

Everyone on their own microsim estate.

Please pardon me if this has been asked and answered - ya'll are just amazing and I haven't been able to keep up with everything that has been mulled over.

Would it be useful to look at a ratings system that has already been set up and adopt that? I'm thinking particularly of the ratings system for video games? I honestly have no idea if this would work or not so I'm just asking. Personally I've never had occasion to look beyond the T rating on video games so I have no idea if they are workable or a joke. I'm just thinking of the fact that they are already set up.

I apologise Trilla , i should have chosen my words more carefully.....what i was trying to imply that there were fruitcakes like Nany wandering around the grid unchecked.

I'm sorry for your illness, but one would never know through your postings at all...whereas our little Cherokee...one really has to wonder!

Okay, let me type slowly so maybe you'll understand this.

What exactly do you think drives SL's economy?

If the entire "sex trade", as you like to call it, is completely removed from SL, then a very substantial amount of SL's userbase will be gone as well. Once that happens, and there's nobody left to pay tiers to Linden Labs, then YOUR Second Life will go away as well! You may as well just move to the Open Grid right now, and save yourself the trouble.

No apologies needed ... I realise that wasn't your intent. And I do agree there are fruitcakes wandering around the Grid ... hence this proposed change by LL, IMHO, of course .

Alright, just wanted to post my opinion as well but, here is another avid SL person that is against what LL is planning on doing about separating PG and Mature sims. Even though my account IS age verified, it still isn't right. Second Life has a whole different grid for under-aged users and those who are on the -Adult- grid shouldn't have to change it for THEM or the adults who felt strongly enough to speak to LL about this change... If those of you don't like "mature", X-rated or even PG-13 [even though I've not seen one, you get my point I hope] then they should not enter that sim and choose to not display adult content when doing a search THAT IS ALREADY THERE AND IS JUST FOR THIS VERY REASON.

Thank you. Hope this helps!

-Nightmare Lykin

lol, nice name brings to mind images of werewolves, hope that was the intent

back to topic...

hey lindens, point me in the direction of the signup sheet for adult content

Oh please spare Open Grid that experience ....they're just setting out!

It would make very good sense, given that it's a pre-existing system that people are already familiar with, but because it makes sense, it surely would never happen. Besides, many people would argue that there are things that go on in SL that wouldn't fit into the categories so neatly. For instance, how would a Gor video game be rated? It seems people are more focused on outliers in this discussion than on what would apply to the vast majority of cases. Using a pre-determined ratings system would help cut down on the confusion, but then there's the question of which one to use, since it varies by media and by country. Still, I think it would be a good, logical start.

Thank you. Didn't know that. Makes it much easier. I was trying.

Would they have these buildings for testing purposes or as Linden offices?

Thank you, didn't know one could do that. Yay thank you very much. bye bye Nany.

Just be aware you will still be able to see an ignored post if someone quotes it.

Not quite sure..one would hope they are LL builds! It would be very sneaky if they already started aproaching Mainland landowners individually and setting them up there.......or even worst still... Friends of Lindens....giving them prime spots first.
I hope not.....hope like you say its for testing purposes. Unlike other parts of the Mainalnd..not sure they would place official LL buildings on somewhere like "Adult world".....could be wrong though!

Looks like they have introducing roads on the on the SIM borders