Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

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Every morning you can watch public slavery, while millions and billions of people going to work and kids to school and biz owners to their offices and shops and factories.

Try not to touch the switch for your lightings at home..., it would outing you as a slave of the electric company... - use no microwave and no fridge...-otherwise you have to work for the electricity bills, you slave you.

THIS is public slavery, because they have no choice, all these lemmings - even invisible chains are chains!

What you see in SL is public freedom.

For that we pay...money, much, extraordinaire much, created by our rl-slave-jobs and our rl-biz, to have some freedom here, freedom for self-design and self-experiments!

This is the whole idea behind second life: self-design and self-experiment.

Without that it is: dead!

More dead than Elvis, Dali, or De Sade. More dead than Nietzsches god and Christopherus Columbus' grandmothers grandfathers sister (about her, history knows nothing, so dead she is and as dead SL will be then).

Since antique and medieval times are eaten and over, all people on globe are on their way to be and to create more and more self-design and self-experiment.

More scenes, sub-scenes and individuality we have never seen before, since Lucy, the maybe first humanoide, jumped from the tree, exploring the savanna.

Then came SL, at start of a new century, and forced this increasing freedom*. And now LL cuts it back to antique and medieval times. And they call us, no, they give order, to pack our things and to hide what we can.

Correction: until yesterday SL was public freedom*... Because our beloved and tier/fee-overpayed hosting-company decided to change it into public slavery. Strict! Everyone who will not follow has to go elsewhere or have to expect punishments of all sorts (keywords: suspensions/bans/moves/warnings/censoring/editing/restrictions of use, search and entry, ducktaped mouths, shrinked playgrounds, verified, controlled, observed and restricted, rated, forbidden, not allowed, ghettoized, bombed with known and unknown and unclaer masses of paragraphs and self-contradictory paragraphs, cutted in pieces from head to toes and vice versa, whatever) and: they do not inform all... 99% of all players have no idea that a bad moon is rising direct in front of their noses, because LLs information politic is a whole mess.

Most customers have not a smell about what is going on behind the closed doors.

From now on we will see classrooms and conference-tables in masses spreaded over all mainland and on much islands, filled and surrounded by grey people, talking grey things out of their grey brains, about grey themes, for an grey hour, or two, and then logging off - until next days grey hours.

Thingy will change into the biggest boring classroom on earth. I mean to smell the typical classroom flavor...I mean to feel the hard wood seatings and the dried out chewing gums under the desks, all quiet, teacher is speaking and mumbling something. So boring that even the flies will fall down dead from the neon-lamps. No kissing at campus! No dancing on desks. Nothing. A dead quiet scenery. Some numbers and some biz phrases in the air, til pause-bell rings.

How brutal boring.

And if kids flooding the grid (if the rumors about the old "governors" ideas are somehow halfway true...), or any too young vegetables, then I can stop talking about Luhmans system theory or Beuys' art or Nietzsches last man, because with kids I cannot talk any serious thingy if I am in my philo mode, wich can happen 5 minutes a month, when I interrupt my exploring, building and some fun times.

Maybe I try to cut off my avatars feets and hands and eyes and ears and nose, maybe the whole torso, because all cartoon-body-parts could be used as senders and receivers of: sexual/erotic expressions and impressions. Oh, and I should hide my sensual ava-lips too. Ah and cutting hair - because hair invites to play with - better I go bald, dressed in an orange-colored Guantanamo suit.

I should stop building also. With the new rules and ratings I can live on 16 sqm, as a woodbox on a woodbox and have one prim free for rezzing a third woodbox. Hoping that doesn't offend someone and will not be qualified as group-woodbox-sex. Fun!

Hahahaha

"slavery"..., hahahahahaa omg, hahahaha

If all goes wrong we are all collared, chained and on a leash in weeks or latest months, my dear. Even you "speaker", while you are actual totaly a leashed and chained slave of your own strange ideas and imaginations.

Wearing chains will be common in game. Soon. One of the biggest collar is arround your neck. Invisible as said, but realiter existant like no other. This we noticed meanwhile along the thread.

Invisible ones, but effective ones. So, you funny lady will then be surrounded by literal slaves - if they (we) do not quit the game then. Then is peace on the grid. Empty. Except the grey ones, the nameless, the bread-dry elementary particles of the political supah-correct fraction. No emotions, no creativity, no nothing. Buster Keaton faces. But less humor.

Because, as said: free self-design and self-experiment is now done and over. Totaly and totalitary. Decision is made, is passed over to the press, is announced here and is irreversible as we know by experience.

Franz Kafka and George Orwell, I hear you both knocking.

Kafkaesk because no one knows nothing and we're all hanging helpless, clueless and answerless in the air and orwellesk, because big brother is watching, always ready to move the chains more tight.

And from a consumer-protection standpoint seen: stress! Unwanted stress. Actual we do pay for stress. And we work here our stressed brains off, like we would be payed for posting to a silent, massive wall... as if that would be a customer obligation to do the jobs of the company...jesus... - where are the answers to our main questions?

Instead of answers we're getting questions - or silence - or an information that the responsible actors are at diner...hahahaha, wow... - but the decision is made. We know that. So, we want clear answers about our questions! Immediatly. Because it is not comfortable to pay and to play into a black hole. Throwing the money out of the window to feed some poor people would make more sense, than hanging here and on grid answerless, clueless and planless around for weeks and months.

But playing is so or so not longer fun. Because: for what? The knife of the guillotine can fall every minute. I know people... - them ideas are actualy dieing in their heads, drying out on their tonques before outspoken, changing into dust in their hands before builded as prims or sculpties, because they don't know what to build is further allowed at their location and what to sale will be allowed wherever sooner or later or what is worth to be established under the given unclear, chaotic, all and everything more or less, but in any meaning discriminating circumstances in front.

They are now just sitting on their hands, doing nothing, kind of suddenly depressed and uncreative, because we all have no answers, no datas, no actions, no background-knowledge, no overview, no timeline and a total chaos in front, companied by no clear and stable informations about details - this is all a totaly unprofessional mess, similar to the open spaces thing, but somehow much more disturbing and uncomfortable for all members, even for all sorts of free or payed accounts. It is shaking the whole population wich knows about the fact and will irritate the rest of us massively, as soon it comes to the ears of all who are so far not informed about the mess.

Yes a BIG FAT R or XXX or PG-? hovering over the sim or location of that particular sim with said content on the Search Map,ect would be quite humorous BUT would make a dent big enough for ALL to see before they hit that TP button or would it? hmm, I agree a rating system would be a rather NICE consideration for this said movement towards seperations of content.. but one has to wonder.. Would that be enough?.. If not then where will this stop.. I'm not a lawyer obviously but i am curious to the end of said seperation..
I mean.. like others have asked.. once this starts Where can it all truely end, in or against our favor?
LL's options?
1) Its label all content ..well.. i think that option is already in SL but wasn't enough obviously..
2) label the sim? hmm.. already done thats right...
3) Not include in search, activate filters, restrict builds, images, actions,ect.. all is available.. *shrugs*
What else is there really but redoing old said features an such..
A blind man will hit a wall inevitably, But there are NO invisible walls here.. NOT like it all wasn't laid out throught the road.. go here for this, go there for that~!

my resolution!
Constitute freedom of speech, media, ect! Mmm.. thats done too but i see a conflict. :/
An the contridiction lies in there is a rule of order in some long lost Country where such an admendment is kept in service or is it? Well, to the point.. i really don't see this as allowing LL's their freedom of such or any freedom.. Whats the Big Deal here anyway, simply put.. lack of a right to allow any content of any nature that is not TOO TABOO that who would object too? Well, governed Laws of course have that final right to say what is an is not in theeir country appropriate material.. BUT LL's do provide a means for that conviction aswell or least to my knowledge.. written in again the ToS.. *shrugS*

Mm.. IMHO.. LL's needs to seriously get that piece of paper saying they have a said right to freedom of speech an there of from a Court order before they are beating to the pounch or else whos to stop the aggravater from totally making SL an other virtual worlds exinct OR governd by who ever steps up to the plate.. If such scroll, parchement,ect actually exists. *sniffs*
I agree everyone has a right to a said freedom of speech an creation and Obviously as the Local convenience store still has the right to carry Dirty mags of *what you would call them* right at the door for ALL to see even if the nips n such are covered...PFFFT~! I believe LL has the same right to carry on their servers what THEY choose to allow without dictatorship by anyone if NOT the actual government of their residing Country. *NoDs*.. had to rant, sorry.. really boils my blood when ANY one is not receiving the right that others have.. if they so desire it.. Especially when they have Obviously been making an effort to avoid any particular incidences from happening from any form of content that did intentionally or accidently flow thru their network. ..
IMHO.. LL's can can do what they can but i don't see this subject ever being fully put to rest till one.. the media isn't hipe on the story or ,... or Sl is removed entirely for being a form or representation of any type of freedom.. Unless there is a piece of paper somewhere that States an IS upheld to the highest Order that they CAN utilize this dreamable right! *peace* my last thought on this one.. Ciao
PS. thx, the free media for making a cheap ten minute segment of deflamation on something that never hurt anyone.. People hurt people but content is like a sword.. Only damaging in a persons hand.. an the media did more damage with THIER content in just 10 minutes~!!!! Than LL's ever dreamt of in Thier Total existance~!
Who's the REAL Villian HERE .~~?

link to original, very well though out post

well put

Which forms of Slavery are you talking about the old ones from the past or those that involve the D/s lifestyle ?

I also wonder why do the Native Americas need a representative in SL over the new changes,are they going to add to the adult island areas only for native americans, can you please enlighten this uneducated in the worlds way aussie? My limited knowledge says there would be many native americans who are involved in SLs clubs, Dungeons , Oh and i would guess , not that i have any personal knowledge , some are even involved in BDSM/ D/s in here and in RL.
But as i said I dont have any real idea as i have not met, to my knowledge, a native american so can only go on what someone likeyou says mm maybe with all your knowledge Nany you should apply to LL for a position after all i am sure they could use someone like you who seems to know everything about everyone of your culture,thought i am some what surprised that all the groups have the same needs but then again as i said what would i know

They have been very sneaky already as we have seen. And it seems clear to me from the history lesson that has come from following the thread(s) have often been sneaky in the past as well. You have all seen I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I don't know that I can trust them to be straight up & honest with us at all. I wish I could feel otherwise.

*Blondin if they send you back in here, that isn't directed at you personally. You seem like a nice guy who just got stuck with the job... "Let Blondin go deal with the uproar we didn't expect." and was not provided with the proper tools so to speak.

They should have some official offices there. Good for PR & customer service. They clearly noted (from that link that was provided earlier) that they anticipate some friction from a great many of those of us who will have to relocate. I did see they noticed that many non-Adult Content providers want to move if we have to as well. Hopefully they are preparing to set up some staff. I think that would be a good idea.

Blondin, I'm not going to debate percentages with you. I think it will become clear as you continue to try to roll this out. What I do have is a very serious question or concern about individuals. *I* Am Adult Content. I mean it. The Avatar Kyle Steig is a walking, talking and a bunch of other things that I won't spell out here, collection of aspects that are entirely adult themes. I *created* him very consciously and deliberately as means of blowing off RL steam and since you, being a Linden, can actually figure out who I am, you might be in a unique position to know why I feel the need to have an anonymous and *safe* outlet for being politically incorrect and, more importantly, why I want to be sure it can't *hurt* anyone not similarly inclined.

To date, I have believed, and continue to believe that as a service explicitly sold as for those over 18 and a service with features like 'Mute', parcels flagged Mature and search hiding, I have taken reasonable measures to ensure those who prefer to avoid my 'outlet' manifestation can easily do so. In this new model, I won't be able to make that assumption and can't therefore, assume informed consent from those who choose to interact with this AV.

It's not ambiguous in my case. *I* Am Adult Content and I want to be able to hide my existence from any who have not opted in. I want to be visually, chat, IM, group status, prim, script, parcel and texture *invisible* to anyone who might find me objectionable in this new world order. I have never been AR'd and I won't have it now. Tell me how LL will protect me from having my free expression attacked when I *want* to be able to hide myself from those who can't (or won't) handle me.

- Kyle

I would agree.

Same here, never AR'd and I agree fully.

According to Linden Labs, the goal of adult-oriented (AO) content controls is to "give users more control over their experience."[1] Such a user preference[2] could be implemented in two parts:

* Allow users to express a preference to allow or exclude AO content, for example, by a check box in the UI
* Require parcel owners to mark their property as adult, for example, with a check box in the parcel UI

Further, successful self-identification requires a clear definition of what constitutes AO content, and (assuming that the user has expressed a preference to avoid AO content) search must correctly exclude AO results, and in-world movement must correctly prevent someone from walking/flying/teleporting into an AO region.

Failure to accurately self-identify AO content would require enforcement by LL. All other failures are software defects (non-functional ban wall, incorrect search results, etc.).

So far, so good, but then I am mystified by the the Lindens statement that some sort of 'adult validation' will be required,[3] because age verification is not required by the explicitly stated goal, nor is it required by any primary or means objective. That is, it is not necessary to verify ones age in order to express a preference regarding AO content, nor is it necessary to verify ones age in order to accurately self-identify AO content.

The Lindens say there is "no plan" to combine the teen grid and the main grid,[4] and the TOS already forbids anyone under 18 from being on the main grid,[5] so it can't be to protect AO providers from an under-18 population. Further, the Lindens explicitly said that "controls (sic) for AO is not age-control based it's resident-preference based."[6]

None of the proposed adult validation systems explicitly bind identity to age validation. That is, entering a credit card number or information from some government ID only requires someone to see that credit card or ID, it does not guarantee that the person entering the information is actually the person to whom the information refers. We're therefore effectively left with self-certification that the information is accurate, which is no better than self-certifying that you are 18 or older by agreeing to the TOS. Further, sharing a credit card number increases risk of theft, sharing personal information increases risk of identity theft, so the proposed systems are worse than the existing TOS agreement, because they increase personal risk and provide no additional benefit.

I'm all for giving the user the ability to control their SL experience, so I support the addition of AO search controls and self-identification. However, I remain adamantly opposed to age verification systems that provide no additional benefit, or increase my personal risk.


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[1] "[The] goal is to "give users more control over their experience"; some residents simply don't want to encounter adult material and activities.…" http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

[2] "While these controls align with age they focus on content access; controls for AO is not age-control based it's resident-preference based" http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

[3] "… to see the results of adult search tag results you're going ot have to be adult validated veridated; credit cards, age verification, similar.…" http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

[4] Q: Can you comment on teen grid combination more
A: Knows that there is no plan to do that
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

[5] "By accepting this agreement in connection with an Account outside the Teen Area, you represent that you are an adult 18 years of age or older. By accepting this agreement in connection with an Account for use in the Teen Area, you represent that (i) you are at least 13 years of age and less than 18 years of age; (ii) you have read and accept this Agreement; (iii) your parent or legal guardian has consented to you having an Account for use of the Teen Area and participating in the Service, and to providing your personal information for your Account; and (iv) your parent or legal guardian has read and accepted this Agreement." TOS §2.2

[6] "While these controls align with age they focus on content access; controls for AO is not age-control based it's resident-preference based; teen grid is focused on under-18 sl experience by age first, content second" http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_Forum_Transcript

Before I tuck in for the night...

I logged back in because I had an amusing thought as I sat on my back step smoking my cigarette...

After all the provocation and angry charged posts even from her own brothers and sisters of shared ancestry. It was the one who attempted to be kind to her that finally drove Nany away.

Puts a new spin on "Killing them with kindness" doesn't it?

Night all. Let's hope tomorrow we will get some answers or at least a notice of these lunch meetings they told us would be happening this week.

That Poses a lot of problems to a lot of people. Especially if they're playing SL for a long time. It's gonna be my 2nd year here in SL and they're gonna ruin it for me.

I may just leave at all. It's no fun if I can't see any adult content anymore unless I got a verification, which incidentally, I GOT NO DAMN JOB.

Fixed it for you.The whole forum??? Oh Noez!!!

ok to be constructive.

Basically repeating things other people have said. And i said in one of the closed forums. A forced move is illogical. But if LL does go ahead with it I want moved.

1. Allow the content on existing and future parcels to be flagged adult by the creators/owners. No need to move them and no need to force people to either boost tiers by having a "mature" plot and an "adult" plot.

2. put a filter in that detects these flagged items.

3. put in a toggle for the viewers that block any parcels marked with the flag. turn it on by default. Just like when trying to enter a "red taped" parcel if one doesnt have the toggle off they get moved to another location. This would also block any searches from adult content unless allowed.

seems simple enough and would make sense. But ehh Force people to move, possibly cost them more money in tiers, make them lose traffic and rebuild from ground up.

LOL This is a bad joke right?

1 if this is done you will effectively kill the game. Over 90% of sl's content falls under adult content, it is an adult game.

2 What happens to all of our current land, you going to pay me what I paid for it... Psst I doubt it. So you also plan to screw 90% of the land holders as well. and you expect them to have to attempt to sell off their old land, which no one will buy cause only 1 % of remaining people on the non adult area will be even be paid members. and then have to pick up and start over.

3 I'm sure I am no where near the only one that will not be playing sl any longer, once this takes effect. Think about the money you all lose (LL I'm talking about) when 90% leave sl for good and no longer pay their tiers, and memberships. That will be huge. I pay over 150.00usd in tiers alone, and well over 500.00 usd all together a month, with Linden dollar purchases included... and I am only one person. thousands will leave that is hundreds of thousands of dollars no longer coming in... I see layoffs in LL future...

Why should we have to move for them?

Move them to the new continent...

I'm not kidding
I will NOT be in sl if this happens. Kiss my money good buy, if this takes place...

PS if you don't want to encounter adult content the solution is simple....

STAY IN PG SIMS!!!! NO CHANGE NEEDED!!!!

Ummmmm.... *smiles and nods while staring blankly*

So far as I know, they have a common API within their respective environments. Firefox does not use this API; it uses its own password-storage mechanism. But since you mention using Konqueror on Gnome, were you perhaps thinking of Nautilus instead of Firefox?

I am no Linux expert, but - I'm pretty sure you can't mix-and-match desktop elements like that. I mean, you *could*, but it just wouldn't integrate well.

Anyway... This is starting to drift off-topic. The simple answer is, yes, the two major Linux desktops do offer an integrated keyring service, so implementing it into the SL viewer shouldn't be too difficult.

Mea culpa!

...is, and have always been, hypocritical. A stupid and inefficient way to try to control culture. All fascist states have tried it one way or another and now the turn comes to Second Life.

We are done? Great! Did we win? What did we win? What was this thread about again? Are we there yet?

I remember being vaguely outraged yet cautiously optimistic at one point. Am I still outraged?

QFT. Quite the opposite of "hell", Ursula will be first a sanctuary from the uptight, buttoned-down, hypocritical, and narrow minded (you know who you are), and later from the underage. Once there's a place where one can escape such threats by merely putting payment info on file, there will be little left outside its safety.

Unfortunately, this seems correct. The Lindens have taken the discussion in-world, to SLDEV and the various landed gentry of bought-and-paid-for FICdom. They won't lock this thread until the final revised policy statement is blogged, then they may open another thread and respond for a day or so. But I don't think we'll see any more Linden replies on this one.

You mean two separate APIs, or the same API in Gnome and KDE?
I mean in an environment where you're using some KDE and some Gnome applications.
I have mixed and matched tools like that since before there was such a thing as Linux. Back then it was UI vs OSF, not Gnome vs KDE. Or even earlier, with X vs NeWS vs Layers vs mixed GUIs. Or BSD vs System V. Or SCO vs Microsoft Xenix... same drama, different actors. It's all superficial, I just hack UNIX, and wish the kids would quit playing Cowboys and Indians in my lawn. No matter what it is, once you get away from the command line there's some bastard trying to make it hard for you.
Not if you have to do it two or three or more times.

Just been reading the transcript. Two things struck me:

"search filtering process will apply here as on objective process not subjective; e.g., think of words used to get people into a sex club, orgy rooms, using a search tool; they are generaly adult terms; to see the results of adult search tag results you're going ot have to be adult validated veridated; credit cards, age verification, similar; that part is self enforcing; if you're running a sex business you want people to find you using those terms"


"Q: If someone uses words like Essex (valid UK location), or watch our play Dick Whittington, they could be parsed into Adult Content?
A: Probably not; lean toward conservative side"

I'm going to be impressed if they can manage to filter "sex club" and "sexclub" without filtered "single sex education" and "sexton"

Word based e-mail and web based filtering for adult content was thrown out in the 90s, whilst there simply is not enough space in the description field to enter enough text to use more sophisticated contextual analysis such as Google safe search would perform.

Matthew

This is where either a little common sense on classification of certain clubs as to being adult or not needs to come in, if the club is determined to be adult in nature LL should be offering to move the whole sim in my opinion, as anything else would cause problems on the new continent, but obviously thats going to mean LL accepting they need a much bigger adult continent.

I'm amazed at the number of contributions to this thread which is all but finished anyway. Whatever is contributed to the discussion, LL will do whatever they want anyway. They're just creating the illusion that we residents and especially paying residents have some sort of say in the matter when in fact we have absolutely no say whatsover.

Let's think about this "adult" continent for a minute: All "adult" businesses will be adjacent to each other, next door to each other. What that means is competition and a lot of it. Survival of the richest or if you like the fittest. Businesses will go down, parcels will be unsellable, abandoned and revenue for tier lost.

Camping goes down along with the businesses. Less camping spaces available with an abundance of campers means lower camping rates. Good for people such as myself who provide camping. But not so good for campers who want to earn a few Lindens.

Now I see in this thread proposals for a gambling continent. That will have exactly the same effect on businesses. Who will build a small gambling establishment right next to a big one?

But you know, it's a damn good way to drive sales of private regions (islands) to people who want to get away from the immense constraints of the mainland. But it will drive down mainland prices forcing land owners to sell at a loss if they can in fact sell or abandoned as previously stated. Who wants a mature parcel of land when it can't have mature content? Where you can't relax in your garden in a skimpy bikini? Where you can't show any part of a nipple a la Cuba?

And while all this is going on, still no action on bots!!

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