Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

However, if you read what LL is saying, LL are looking into filtering search results based on "adult" keywords. So it is possible (evening likely), that only adult verified accounts will be able to find these services.

Matthew

I think for me this is the problem as at present we do not know what LL's priorities are and until we know what is driving this change a lot of what is said is maybe good ideas, but then again it may be bad ideas, based on the roadmap LL has for this and why it has now been instigated.

We need to know why this change is happening, not corporate BS but a clearer reason than "we just want to clean the grid for others". What are the real honest reasons for this policy change LL and who is driving it forward at LL HQ?

Just my opinion thogh

*shrugs*

I don't know much more about them other than that they exist.Tools, yes. As long as you have the supporting libraries installed. I do have a few KDE apps installed on my system, but for the most part, I try to stay pure-Gnome. I suppose, in theory, you could have both desktops installed in their entirety on the system. It would be insane, but possible.

To be perfectly honest, the only time I have actually triggered the keyring was when it offered to store my WPA key for me on behalf of network-manager (I declined).

Come to think of it, I seem to remember it offering to store my Kopete password - and that's a KDE app.... So, if that's the case, then it would appear the APIs are identical.

And are YOU aware that, based on keywords, if LL imposes a wide enough blanket on keyword searches and content, these well-intentioned organizations may well be banished to Pornodelpia along with everyone else you have determined to be "filth" and beneath you?

"Sexual" and "transexuals" are adult terms that have no business being in a PG search. Congratulations, Nany Kayo! Your narrow-minded, sanctimonious attitude has just removed a vital service from public view.

Bet you didn't think about *that*, did'ja!

So -- Do you *still* fully and completely support LL's original proposal, unconditionally?

Be careful what you wish for. You might actually receive it.

That is probably right, they can charge more for the new land and the land prices will go up because we are all going to want to go there, since that is where we thought we were in the first place.
BT

What a *wonderful* place to put them with all those bad sim crossings. *sigh*

Yes, at least there is an upside to all of this: it has really united the SL community as nothing else has. While we may not share the same ideas on what to do in SL, I have met some pretty amazing people during all of this. Who I will miss if they get segregated from the rest of us. A lot of the time I play a child avatar, so going to the adult continent I would risk an AR.

lindens: After previously separated communities have formed over this why, oh why, would you risk tearing things apart again?

can we have business parks too? there's nothing worse than a lovely residential sim that suddenly ends up with a garish shop destroying the ambiance.

I still remember my first day in sl when i asked where the town was and was told they didn't exist and I've had newbies ask me the same question down the years. So why not?

It's about time zoning made an appearance on the mainland..

/me wakes and posts *my first question of the day (and one worth repeating IMHO as I've just talked to a couple of landowners who also are wondering)...


LL: Are you going to help with moving Resident's existing builds, and their contents, that will be marked for transportation to the adult continent? This is extremely important for Residents with complex, multi-owned prim arrangements. Or are we expected to 'link+take+drop' (which isn't going to be possible for many and will necessitate a potentially costly rebuild) ourselves?

We need to know now, as a number of people have to decide how to plan for this. Will there be a thing to fill-in and it be automated SIM to SIM? Schedule, process, details.. please.

Yours,
With a matter of urgency,
An Adult

lol the best we'll get I suspect is the opportunity to pay increased tier as we can't dump our current mainland and will be forced to buy extortionately priced ursula.

anything else requires goodwill and a logistical/organisation skill that has never previously been demonstrated.

I'd just like a date so I can work out when to stop my inworld ads, vendor spots etc etc. there'll be no refund for any unused time for these and there's no guarantee that they'll go over to the ghetto.

No they shouldnt be prevented from visiting their land ever not while paying tier for it! even if the parcel is a 16sqm plot.

I already know a sim full of 512's or even smaller cuts makes resource allocation unworkable, even if the 100 avatar potential of island sims is taken into account, in theory if all residents log in at the same time.

The chances of all private users on a sim requiring access at the same time are actually negligable though, this is the general rule taken regularly when planning resource usage, most mainland sims are not just filled with 512sqm plots either, however when considering a high traffic night club located on a small parcel the rule changes as during event times it is entirely probable the sim will be filled with club visitors alone, when talking of a free sex club it could be filled 24/7.

Lots of companies in real life deal with exactly the math you point out very effectively, rarely encountering problems think telecom how many people have phones in a area compared to similtaneous users the local telecom switch can handle?

Linden Labs will not be happy until they drive away ALL REAL FREEDOMS and create a virtual world of MORONS. FIRST you killed the SL economy by kicking out the foundations (gaming) which naturally caused the near total collapse of the club industry and clothing industries started to struggle.

AT THE SAME TIME, you flooded the real estate market with incredible amounts of useless land which FURTHER caused the financial collapse of THOUSANDS of people.

THEN you opened up the doors WIDE OPEN to allow CHILDREN onto the ADULT GRID. (yeah your statements have skirted around this fact, not outwardly accepting it nor denying it, but ANYONE that has been here 2 years or more have WITNESSED the Damages you've done to the public.

You only embrace Real World corporations and let's face it, WHAT GOOD are they to the SL GRID? THey don't CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING at all. Their real world products are USELESS and non-functional here. Hell, even in the Real World those morons are FAILING MISERABLY due to selfishness, narrowmindedness and GREED.

NOW you want to FORCE the WORLD (yes LL there is a world outside of the US), into TRUSTING your country with OUR RL info??

NO..... Sorry... no can do. You are STILL a barbaric nation that depends upon GREED, WAR and DECEPTION to keep you going. I can't trust that, and given LL's history over the past 2 years, there is NO WAY I can believe that YOU are in ANY WAY different from the MONSTER that gave birth to you.

Remember people, Phillip's 1st project (RealAudio/RealMedia) DIED a horrible death.

Support THIS moron and you may as well put the gun to your own head.

Most of the better clubs are always going to be responsible with their resources, obviously they don't want to provide their patrons a laggy experience, thats why they tend to hold most of, if not an entire sim.
So no other user is affected or affects them adversly.


A popular club on a small plot, or one using bots is going to get a justified shock if clustered with similar irresponsible businesses, clustering these clubs is a great way to force a change in their practices.

If they are chilling words to such club owners so be it.

I assume you mean *your* first question of your day?

Sounds to me like the first steps towards the merging of the adult and teen sims to me. We all know Lindens what this to happen next year at some point and is under discussion and by changing the adult situation they are simply putting things in place for that merger.

Personally I don't give a monkey's whether someone is naked in public or not its a pile of pixels after all. BUT wouldn't Lindens time be better spent instead of piddling around changing this spending time getting whats already here working properly like sorting the LAG out before taking on new things to fix that really could be put on the back burner for the time being?.

Come on guys get the priorities right, keep the teen sims separate get the lag sorted then think about changing the way adult themes are dealt with its not rocket science.

It's sort of ironic, but the very attempt to make age verification as 'private' as possible renders the whole process utterly meaningless.

Let me explain why :-

Most under 18s live at home with their parents. Hmm, ready access to credit card statements, driving licence, etc, etc.....all the information for 'age verifying'. Now, here's the point.......I do not know of ANY age verification system that has an independent means of informing a person that they have been age verified.

Well of course....I mean do you think Joe Bloggs Snr wants to get a letter in the post saying ' You have been age verified by Second Life ' ? Hmm...imagine his horror on opening such a letter, and he doesn't use Second Life ! Hmm, someone else must have done it.......he thinks as he gets his best slipper ( an excellent age verification tool ) in his hand and calls out to Joe Blogs Jnr.

But given the horror of so many people at simply being aged verified at all.....no such letter will ever arrive on anyone's doorstep. Which kinda renders the whole process MEANINGLESS, as Joe Bloggs Jnr can happily enter daddy's credit card number, driving license, insurance number......whatever........and daddy will never KNOW about it.

Linden Labs thus has absolutely no way of knowing that the person sitting at the PC is actually over 18.

Indeed, age verification is in fact WORSE than none at all, because lets face it you are simply going to end up 'age verifying' people who are not over 18 ! And then you are going to make a ready made porno heaven...with a massive great 'Porno Continent' signpost......especially so all those under 18s can have the easiest possible access to as much smut as possible ! What might have taken Joe Bloggs Jnr a week to find...well, its just down the road now, in the sim next door. Lol....this is kinda like the way supermarkets put a whole bunch of sweets and chocolates right at the checkout. D'oh...but I don't suppose anyone at LL considered that.

Frankly....there is only ONE adequate means of age verification. I would suggest LL open a sim called 'Responsible Parenthood' to promote it !!! ( and some free slippers )

Or to put it bluntly, maybe if Joe Bloggs Jnr got a good spanking in RL.....he might spend less of his time spanking others in some BDSM dungeon in SL. Every other means of control is useless, pointless, and gives a false sense of something being done.

Welcome to the end of Second Life, and to making the Non-Perfects second class citizens. Freedom is always feared by the weak, and the Lindens have placed their fla in that sad camp.

What needs to happen is for a new SL to be born , free of this corporate insanity, where all of us who once enjoyed a beautiful idea can once again travel without Linden police. I, for one, would invest heavily in such a scheme if for no other reason than to see the Linden crew slowly sink into the financial oblivion their path has dictated.

Someone tell me where we go next; I will not be going to the Linden ghetto.

"Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur"

Ben Dover Lane

I usually do when I'm following the left hand path, there's useful tools in both toolkits, and they hardly ever eat each other's babies. But I'm the type that has 68 apps, 17 hacks, and 20 eBooks on his Palm Pilot and I never seem to have the instability issues everyone talks about there either.

Only if you don't know what it means Profundity is in the ear of the listener, perhaps?

Just this sentance here leads me to believe that you are a huge fake and fruad!!!
We are not Indians and any Native American with an once of selfresepct would never refer to themselvs as Indians.!!!!!!

Having just found this thread, and suffered many of the pages, I cant bring myself to read all 140 *sighs* however I found this on the Age Verification FAQ

"During the beta period, age verification will be free to Residents. No end date for the beta test has been specified. Once the beta test is over, a fee may be charged for getting age-verified, though no decision has been made around this."

Great! I thought until I discovered it doesnt recognise European data. So not only do we have to go through this farcial process but you cant register for free even if you want to.... unless you live in the USA.

Discrimination at its best, gotta love it.

Hey Wind, for reference sake you can consider yourself having met me

And to answer your question. We American Indians/Native Americans don't need a representative in SL any more than any other ethnic group does.

And you are correct, there are American Indians involved in all kinds of naughty adventures in SL *waves hand*

Some it would appear have gotten their Indian 'culture' from watching one too many screenings of Dances with Wolves, when they should have maybe been watching Powwow Highway.

There are some who want to flog the old "Noble Indian" myth as long as they can get an 'ooo - ahhh' out of it. Fact is, that mindset does more to damage our ability to expand our horizons than most other forms of racism. We aren't these stoic noble statues standing out on the prairie. We are people, living and breathing with day to day cares just like everyone else. Every culture has their differences. I mean, yes I was thrilled when the white buffalo was born a few years back, and my family went to see it. Just like I'm sure there are Catholics who would be thrilled to go to Fatima.

While some might have you think that all we do is sit out in the grass communing in some uber-mystical way with nature while we suffer at the hands of the majority, the fact is that we mostly face life like everyone else, just with our spin on it. Yes I do think we got a raw deal because our traditional ideas of the land did not consider the possibility of individual ownership. But you know what, a lot less of my Tribal ancestors were killed in conflicts with whites than were killed by the Ottawa when one of my fore bearers though it would be a cool idea to kill Pontiac (oops, our bad).

Now that said, there are areas where we need help, but guess what, every community has segments that could use a hand up. For us as a race to sit around and try to milk the majority to give us everything we need because we are oh so noble and can't be bothered to get out and make an effort is ridiculous. It's up to us who are affluent and have some measure of success in the wider world to funnel that success back to our Families and Tribes. A good chunk of us do that. It doesn't mean we have them abandon traditional ways, any more than a successful professional from say Japan who works in London would expect her family to suddenly covet all things British.

I have success in my chosen career in RL. And when I am home I use the training and funds at my disposal to assist Tribal Members, whether it be in helping a student in chosing a college (Oklahoma State rules for Indians btw) or taking a turn as a lead dancer during a stomp dance, and yes, running out and buying some sage when we are going to smoke off something occasionally.

It's not some great mystery that no one else can understand. It's my life, same as you have your life. Don't let anyone BS you with some magical notion of what it's like to be an American Indian. We don't hold some mystical connection to great mother earth that sets up apart. We are people same as anyone else. Just different... same as you.

Patasha

Because they used to have them, they were called "telehubs", and they were business districts because they were the only places you could teleport directly to other than your home point. Having all the businesses clustered around the telehubs was like having nine sims full of packed clubs... even people with fast computers and fat intertubes would take half an hour to rez everything when the grid was busy. You'd TP into the telehub and fly straight up and out... and end up in a "C" shaped shop or a 3d maze placed to catch flying n00bs and force them to stay there until the shop finally rezzed enough they could get out.

If all the XXX clubs are crammed in 500 sims, I suspect that's what Ursula will be like before long. LL really needs to make it a long strung out Aleutian archipelago with plenty of OpenSpaces between the islands.