Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

O.o

That's pretty bad, dude. No, really.

Have you ever done a large, collaborative build before?

Why hasn't this question already been asked before you all made the "decision"?

Definitely not a good sign...

Ok. Understood.

Thank you everyone for that - that makes it very clear. So in lay terms, it is POSSIBLE, but it's a process which CAN be risky and complex and not without risk of loss of objects and/or substantial time. That's great.

Can you point that to me? Or better yet drop me a notecard inworld?

The other day Blondin suggested just removing potentially "adult" items out of search. I asked then and I'm going to ask again. How does that make the second life experience more predictable. To me it will mean one can go find fuzzy bunny in one corner, marked and advertised, and Rip roaring sexual fantasy station in the other, not advertised so i wouldn't have a clue it even was there until i got there. umm not predictable by any means.

As for people camming into places. In RL experience it's the person who peeks through a window that is violating the law not the person inside walking around naked. BTW the naked one here not the peeping tom. Figured i need to make that clear.

Terrain and location is part of the big issue with moving too. How is LL planning to match parcels to parcels, Mine is nearly flat land with a road running through the middle of my build. Hours, and I mean hours of terraforming the land to fit things into it.

It would have to be Linden Labs doing the actual transference of objects from the old location to the next.. Especially when it comes to multiple owners/group deeded objects.

It would have to be more than a link to a knowledge base article or walking each person through the steps.

Erm, LOL I guess in my little world I'd imagined a Linden pressing a button and it would all magically transport over to the replacement parcel.

Not to worry, I've just taken down my build and have the land for sale.

Wonder if it then checked the Electroll roll register then, ah well i just hope that the problems are ironed out so that people can use it safely although neither of us have had any data compromised since verifying as well 2 year ago

Professor -

I don't know how LL servers work. But playing with OS, each region has a list an inventory of the objects rez'd on it. If SL works that same way it should be possible with a sql command for LL to search a regions inventory, identify what objects belong to a relocating individual and then export them with all their location coordinates intact. the tricky part would be importing them to the new region.. unless porntopia is going to be a region per region duplicate of mainland, you are going to end up most likely with multiple individuals with the same location points for their objects when LL tries to squish everyone into the smallest possible number of regions. Of course they could run another sql command to check the soon to be imported inventory against the new porntopia region the items are moving to to ensure there are not conflicts.. they could also it would seem modify each items location to verify that it lands properly in the new parcel. It is doable, much easier on the sql side than on the user interface side. Someone will just have to noodle out out sql queries.

Patasha.

You do realize you can't search for the (long time) place "Bondage Playground" in search right? or let me type that a different way "bondAGE PLAYground". this is not in any way saying that age play goes on there, only that the filter is already too agressive

Its Funny really, I was reading this with a friend and I saw this line......




There have been MANY possible solutions to this issue posted in this forum. Solutions that solve the cogent points of BOTH (or more)parties involved. I know they've been mixed in with alot of dialog BUT the dialog has enabled many to see the issues involved.

I HOPE that you have staff that is helping you sort though this! (but I've gotten many laughs along the way as I'm sure your staff and you have)

Main point...

Defining Adult... difficult if not impossible it becomes a very VERY slippery slope quickly.
a. Defining illegal adult activities ... relatively easy... its been hashed and rehashed on ALL of the contiments. (mind you don't skim over the ILLEGAL part of this statement)

Solutions...

Make a "G" Continent AND make an "ADULT" Continent. Make the move voluntary. Leave current rating system stand BUT make gradual segregation of PG and Mature parcels possible (eg as they become abandoned)
ps... there has been MANY MANY variations discussed.



and my friend saw this line.....

Sooo....
(And I really have no solutions for these issues... but They are important to many.)

WHEN the plan is implimented how do you determine who is moved and how they are compensated?(or even IF they are compenstated?)

Multi parcel SIMs

If MOST of the SIM is determined to be 'moved' do the other owners in the sim qualify for the move as well? (joint builds read:community builds read: we worked hard to make this a place for people to WANT to visit and build adjacent to... what happens to them?

What becomes the NEW mature and the NEW PG definitions?

The amazing Phil Hartman, the Simpsons.

That's the best presentation of what LL seems to want I've seen yet. Nice.
That is the crux of the biscuit, isn't it?

I have a simple question, regarding this move for adult orientated content, does this include BDSM and Gorean Lifestyle RP sims? if so - you're gonna end up killing two of the biggest things in SL that bring people in. a LOT are unable to verify (me included) as i have no credit card, and im in the UK. and a lot are unable to age verify for different reasons, not necessarily cause they are underage. Would a National insurance number even be considered proof of age from a UK person?

Yep, it was my suggestion to create a "Gambling Continent"......it could co-exist on the same basis as their desired "Adult Continent". Their verification process is suppose to determine whether your 18 or not....the same process could determine if you are a U.S citizen or from the rest of the world. With their UK office, it could all be run under that umbrella regarding hosting servers and company registration.

Just to clarify i'm not in favour of the creation of the Adult Continent.....but to stir the hornet's nest.....LL really has no argument that they're unable to create an "Gambling Continent" if they are going to great lengths to create an "Adult Continent"

I'm neither a Gambler nor an Adult content user thus have no personal axe to grind!

At this stage in the process I really only have a few things I desperately need answered.

1: For my mainland parcel, where can I sign up to be allocated a new place on the new continent and how soon will this be online.

2: If you discover that you HAVE underestimated how much content needs to be moved, will you quickly create additional regions to accommodate the extra?

3: For my business locations situated on estates, can you please give a definitive answer to whether an entire estate will have to be flagged the same way or whether it will be on a per-sim basis?

and following on from #3, since I suspect I may have to relocate some of those locations based on how the estate management handles this..

4: Will you offer the option to those of us relocating from the mainland to the new place to tier up and expand our holdings at current base market value for the additional land? Will this also be accommodated by creating extra regions if required? If I lose my primary retail outlet on an estate, my current mainland parcel isnt big enough to replace it.

If you dont know for certain on any of these, either tell me you dont know yet or preferably give something of an indication of the current state of discussions in the labs, with the caveat that the final answer may be different. Responding on here even if its just "we dont know yet" is the equivalent of looking at the person talking to you in RL, it lets them know their words have not been ignored.

So long as they stick to the Electric Koolaid and stay away from the Grape Flavorade.

I'd love to know this as well.

Here's the ideal solution, for a sim that's primarily adult:

Linden Labs takes a snapshot of the sim, copies the snapshot to an approximately equally terraformed sim in Ursula (adjusting terraforming in adjacent sims where necessary), performs a rollback on THAT sim from the snapshot, and then deletes the handful of parcels that didn't want to go to the Adult continent. After verifying that everything is good, Linden Labs deletes the original build and sets the land for sale/auction.

I own two clearly adult places, each one with their own unique problems with this whole change.

Place 1)

I don't own the land, I rent, but to be 'ready' I am buying the land (LUCKILY I can) but at a GREAT cost.

With this comes questions, is LL doing a land swap? Not one word has been said about this, if they don't, I'm wasting a LOT of money to be ready.

Is this land going to be comparable in value and landscaping? I took great pains (and cost) to purchase land that was water accessable and very scenic. Am I getting the same?

I don't even want to think of the alternative, that they are NOT swapping. The money I just spent to get myself "ready" in CASE they swap will have been wasted. Then I can only hope that I can find land of the same quality/price.

Moving: I have (and others likely have MUCH more) over 20 people who own various things in the club. Am *I* to coordinate their moving? In one instance (I'm a slow builder, I tend to pay people to build for me) I have 106 prims not owned by me, yet part of the club, and I would just rather not talk to the person I hired again. Its not likely he would come back and sell me the pieces even if I were to ask him.

As for the various vendors I have, I'm sure several of them have MANY machines to move all over, and until they can get to moving to my new place, I will lose revenue, is LL accountable for my lost income?

Is LL going to move everything in one go? Do they have the staff to do this?

I'm sure there are special problems I have that I'm just not thinking of right now, but those are the major ones on my first place.

Place 2)

It isn't likely the land I may be given/buy will be the exact shape that I am forced to move from, in this case the land was sloped, and our build reflected this and took great advantage of it (roads, AND spending a fair amount of L$ on a bus to travel this route, etc) It seems unlikely they will give/sell the same shaped parcel, forcing a rebuild for, once again, a layout of cash or time.

There is also a parcel next to it, that I gave away, to keep my tier down, abutting our town. Is THAT person going to be able to be given/buy land also adjacent to it? That's the only reason he wanted THAT parcel, because it touched ours. If he doesn't get land next to ours, HE is royally screwed. Did I foolishly give away what could have been sold? (At roughly 150-300 US dollars worth) Because had I known about this, I would have sold it instead.

And again, am I going to be helped to move everything? First off, I doubt it, meaning MANY MANY hours of moving and redesigning to fit the new parcel.

I will very very seriously consider leaving SL if I cannot be helped in my two major concerns, the land swap (value and shape, for it forces many hours of work OR money for builders) and the actual physical moving.

Do you Lindens care about any of my concerns? If the answer is yes, I would hope to get a reply to my unique problems, and if the answer is no.....

There has been WAY to little said to alleviate the headaches I'm getting over all the options and problems with this whole fiasco.

What brought on this decision anyway if it isn't planned to merge the teen grid?

A VERY unhappy long term customer,

Jill Winger, owner of two places receiving around 65,000 traffic DAILY!
(No campers or bots!)

As I do yours, I personally have had very few problems with griefing (touch wood). I certainly don't like traffic bots - Greater Bots - or Group Inviting Bots. Yet I know I would never have tried SL if I had to provide either Age Verification or PIOF. Simply because I don't trust companies I see on the net. Also because I don't have that information (in a form that LL's 3rd party will accept). When I 1st joined SL I became a stripper - camper to get $l. This worked ok, after 6 months of socializing and drifting though SL I found my direction. Now I think I provide a valuable service to other residents (not saying striping isn't valuable ... just isn't me anymore). I'd like to think of how many people likewise go though such a stage of becoming a mature resident, and yes free accounts cause problems but I think I can suffer the chaff for the wheat that time sorts for us.

Blondin -

On the accounts issue. Is any thought being given to grandfathering currently unverified accounts into adult access? Given that at present anyone in SL has stated for the record that they are over 18. So LL is covered.

I ask because I sell animations that are most definately going to be shipped off. About 40% of my sales are to freebie accounts. And I'm assuming most of not all of those are unverified since verification has been a miserable failure.

Right now losing 40% of my business will pretty much end my stint in SL. Profit margins not being what they were a year ago, as you can imagine.

Just something else to consider. I doubt it's a small number of adult content creators who will pack it in. Which will pull a big part of the economy out from under SL.

Patasha

This is where in my opinion it is important for us all to give the feedback to LL to help get for instance things in place for the people that cannot verify for many different reasons. I certainly aren't saying the unverified accounts are bad and never will as many people have contibuted so much to SL and are on unverified accounts

I just hope that eventually and by the time this move goes ahead there is ample ways for people to verify themselves so those that can will

So why not do some fair alternatives, like GRand Fathering all existing members. Change the Payment on file to Verified, tag everyone already a memeber as Verified, then demand payment info from every new member.

BTW, if you ever plan to do it this way, just do, it, then annouce it after the fact when the swich is already turned or all the greifers will sign up 20 or 30 new alts before they have to provide paymewnt info

Make a new continent for all new residents to enter, and require validation for them to leave. Your image will improve and your income will improve since you'll make everybody happy. This also serves to bring in Businesses and combine the grids.

URSULA - a New Continent for a New Generation of Second Lifer! Sounds good for the papers, doesn't it?

This has been suggested more than a few times and I don't think I've seen LL comment on it yet. I don't understand why they won't comment on it, given the goals they've stated. This one is a no-brainer, LL.


Also something that's come up many times and has been ignored by LL. Especially when the parcels have multiple owners.

A "yes, we understand the concern and why this might be REALLY difficult for us to manage" would be great here, Blondin. I know different Lindens have different skill sets and I have no idea what yours are - does the concern expressed by residents make sense on this one?

Similar is the performance issues that creating an adult continent will bring. Having LL acknowledge that this will be a very real (and serious) issue would be nice.