Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

In peaceful protest and respectful disagreement, I have sold off 3/4ths of a SIM with another 1/4th slated to sell on 4/4/2009. I have occupied that land with my friends since October 2007. Words alone cannot begin to describe the memories and the experiences that we've shared, here. It was more than just 1's and 0's. It was our home.

Save for a small clothing shop, this SIM was residential and not advertised as public. We did our best to have a clean build and keep the waterways clear for sailing. We tried to keep any naughty bits well above unassisted flight altitude. I am certain this SIM was not within that 2-4% and would not have to be force-relocated due to this policy change, but that's the sticky part, isn't it?

THIS policy change... What's next? If you affirm that mature regions with mature content flags within a game that is already 18+ is not enough to protect US from the stray kid and sensitive adult, then nothing you do ever WILL be enough.[1]

This message is not really for the Lindens. You're replacing one dissatisfied customer paying tier with one or more (hopefully) satisfied others. Congratulations.

I wish you all the best in your business endeavours.

[1] As a noob with credit card already on file, I often used the big map to teleport to regions where the most green dots existed. What will you tell the person that accidentally lands in pornoland? I'm assuming you'll put into place technical controls that prevents this from happening. Then I'm assuming you'll explain why you can't put those same technical controls in to protect MATURE land, now.

Hm...

have you ever tried to link a - maybe . 257 prim house + base + additional interior and decorations, incl. all coffeecups, ashtrays, cigarettes, the milk bottle, the trees around the house, the nearby full equiped gallery, the loft at the other side of the self-developed street, the moonshine house, the zero-energy-house, the garbo gallery, the factory, the street itself, the nearby office building, the nearby second gallery with hundreds of frames and art-pics and the architecture and prefabs shop you made, all advertisings and corporated signs and customer service items, the demo buildings, and the second private home, the sky box...some vehicles and the other 5000 prims of half a sim, including some very small and some mini prims and some invisible or transparent prims and some whatever prims, a perfect setup wich fitted to the more or less wavy landscape - then take all that stuff, while many of the prims are setted to one owner, many of the prims are setted to group, and some are setted to other group members and some are setted to people like the VirWox bank or some other services and to take that all as a bundle and to drop that somewhere into a different sim half with a different landscape...

Try it, have fun and report us occasionally about the progress... - in some months...or years...

hehehe

I am curious how smooth and fast it will work for you... and this was only a half sim...now think on the whole stuff on a 64000+sqm area or some more regions...

Add the fact, that the phone can ring while linking or the cat jumps on your keyboard or your cursor loses the connection or you missed to link something and the cam is in a not comfortable angle...or you have to sneeze suddenly - or you are unconcentrated, because tired of linking for hours, and so on ...

And not to forget:your customers have suddenly no idea about where you moved so suddenly - all picks, landmarks, slurls are wrong suddenly, you need to change xstreet-entrys if you gave slurls in, you need to change picks, landmarks, even the service landmarks in every of hundreds salesboxes, the notecards, some things on your website, if you have one for your biz, and much more...

Not to forget to flag things and lots new and to set this lot PG, and this lot mature and that again adult...

See you then next year, with grey hair and 30 kilos weight loss, shaking hands and half-blind eyes, financialy near insolvence or bankrupt, measured in L$, hehehe

Maybe let us watch and observe your actions, it will be best entertainment.

Lets just see what they say about this

You can model your definition of Adult on what similar types of businesses are using.

You can make a list of definitions being used by entertainment, educational and corporate organizations whose customers you would like to see here, then modify those definitions into something that works for SL.

I thought this forum was finished?

We already have that, PG and mature, it's about as sensible as it gets. Why LL are trying to reinvent the wheel is a mystery.

It appears very commonplace to me. I would say it is the most commonly used form of argument. It is the first thing a weak debater will reach for when they begin to realize they are losing.

URSULA - A brand new G-rated continent for a brand new generation of secondlifers and businesses in SL!

I still say it sounds excellent for news coverage.

This is what concerns me.....and the heart of the matter!

I'm more the connoisseur of the argumentum ad hilarius.

I would say overtly sexual behavior should be private and not public. The kind of slavery that I think should be kept out of public view is intended to be overtly sexual. The people who engage in it make it clear that they want observers to know it is a sex act. Many will wear signs over their heads in case you don't look at their profile or pay any attention to their clothing, sound effects, etc.

There is no Native American representative on SL policy changes. I am the director of a Native American nonprofit in SL who has been asked to express my opinions on a variety of issues affecting Natives based on my own experiences.

Just a first cut at how it could be managed.. If LL were paying me to do it next thing would be meetings with the sysadmins, developers and DBAs for a finer grained look at the technical details of each phase followed by resource estimates and a formal Statement of Work... That would give a timeline that LL could be comfortable about sticking to and THEN poor Blondin could get out from under the kind of pressure we're putting on here by actually being able to give us real substantive info that we could really use to start making our own transition plans.

Quite honestly, I don't think any policy change would take the sex industry out of SL. People involved in sex trade are not known to be a sensitive or subtle bunch. I woudn't worry that their feelings are going to be so hurt they stop selling sex anywhere and everywhere they can get away with it.

Congratulations, your back, and muted!

The only reason reason to do any of this is as a precursor to merging the main and the teen grids. LL has to make it safe "for the children" before they merge them or it would a legal and PR disaster.

As for moving stuff, it would be easy for LL to simply move the regions en masse and relocate all Mature's together and all PG's together. They don't want to because they wouldn't be able to make any money by selling you new land, and then reselling the now open land that you used to occupy.

I have talked to the estate owner where I live and work, due to the content of our estate being 90% "Adult" she would flag her estate as adult. As a result fully half of my employees and probably close to 75% of my patrons would no longer be able to get into her region, let alone my business.

Thank you LL, very much, for taking my 3 1/2 years of work and flushing it down the virtual toilet.

My liquidation has already begun. I have cashed out $150 this morning with more to follow from the sale of my land and L$ transferred back to me from my Alt account. having an extra $600 to play with this month in the real world will be nice.

It's clear from what Blondin said this afternoon that the principle of what is to happen is set in stone and will not be changed.

Obviously until the proposal is actually imposed and seen in action it is difficult to know how it will be received by the majority of SL residents.

Some might think that there is an element of cherry picking on the part of educators, etc, in the sense of them saying: "We like your build save for the sex poseballs". It seems that way to me. No matter how it's described it's censorship and very concerning.

There is a way to peacefully protest but it would require united action to an extent that I'm not sure is feasible. Residents who object in principle (whether their land be PG, M or AO) could set access to group only - the group in question being one that has as its ideals everything opposed to what the proposal stands for. You would have to accept those ideals as the price of membership. It could be marketed as the only way of truly enjoying all sl has to offer.

Those businesses wouldn't be affected. Nor would alt avatars that are not used for public sex.



Not really. I just don't have that much trouble achieving orgasm. I don't need anyone to observe me having sex in public or go to any trouble with role play. I certainly don't need to use SL for sex. My perspective may be different in that regard. But I don't think any prude would have as many orgasms on a regular basis as I do.

Anyone know the post number this thread was originally closed at?

Am i seriously reading that a Linden isn't familiar with the problems of linking and moving items?

* linking phantom and non phantom so you fall through everything...

*linking an object you didnt realise had got unlinked and left a lot behind

*Forever losing fire flames

* 'pieces too far apart' cannot be linked....but you only find this out at the end of trying to link and you dont know which part didn't link until you try again....

*Linking in sections and forgetting to rename the part...hunting for a hot tub then find it appears when rezzing a fern.....

*discovering some Linden plants and one sculptie items cannot be linked....

don't get me going on the problems of unlinking.......................

Plus anyone else found land sales have dropped through the floor now?

I didn't think so either. Nice to see Blondin came by, even if she didn't say much.

Forgive me if this has been answered, but I just can't read 150 pages of posts.

Does LL intend to restrict activities that are not visible from public lands or adjacent private parcels? For example, would a strip club that confined adult activities to indoor areas behind opaque walls, and had only PG signage outside be permitted in non-adult areas?

Well, how about MOVING our stuff? Considering at least *I* will have to coordinate the efforts of over 30+ people. And what about that some builds won't fit the land anymore?

Yes, they do. They have explicitly stated that a "strip club" is a public place. No matter what.

Blondin and other Lindens reading,

Do you now see the problem with announcing ground breaking policy changes without having a plan?

Ive read a few comments of people just packing up and cashing out. This is not even because of your new changes, its because of your lack of a plan or lack of answers to the tough questions.

Surely these tough questions we're asking would have come up while brainstorming this. Or, You could have at least predict some of the pitfalls and had reasonable answers lined up...

If not, maybe you need to hire me.. =)

(gracefully avoids the actual topic at hand, as you have my opinion/ideas already)

This is hardly the first time that they've dropped a bomb like this on their users and they've always survived before. Aside from leaving SL, we really don't have any choice in these things.

There's no motivation for them to change so why should they?

The fact that people on private estates not engaged in adult businesses are adversely affected by these proposals in the manner described above, and yet are offered no recompense by LL, is the greatest scandal to emerge from the proposals.