Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

ok whoes going to make me a Nany Prim doll to use as a pleasure slave?

Swords and two penises are fine but clowns are just creepy.

I really don't see the point in trying to define what is and isn't adult content. There's a definition around somewhere of what should be PG, there's a loose idea on what's broadly offensive and shouldn't be found in search anyway.

Just get on with opening the adult continent, let people voluntarily choose to move there and setup a PG continent for those who like to wander in a safezone. Why won't LL consider the PG continent option? PG sims next to mature sims are always going to be problematic, even after these changes so give people a true PG option.

We can play this game until the end of time. Nany will have a different set of definitions. In fact, there are probably as many possible sets of definitions as there are residents. Even if you were to get general agreement on a California set of definitions and the folks in Ohio manage to get general agreement on their definitions, there would still be as many sets of definitions as there are countries and cultures in the world.

People came to Second Life to get away from such labels and definitions. Is it not obvious that this exercise in definitions is poisonous to Second Life?

I agree 100% Deltango - but I wanted to make sure that there was some mix in the pot. I worry that if we are asked for definitions here, that they'll be used in some sort of way as 'data'.

No Matter what new adult policy they put in place if it isnt writen in stone, no two or more lindens are likely to agree what is adult and what is mature, making it more difficult for the residents to be able too tell the differance.

That will just increase the number of AR's files whether for griefing or honest mistake, and users getting warned or even baned becouse one linden said it was adult; while another linden filed an AR for a differant person and said it wasnt.
if it isnt writen in stone its going to lead to mass confussion. and that will just piss more people off

I've also yet to hear LL talk more about how a resident having payment info on file will make me feel more secure that people are RL adults..

2 minutes on google finds me this:


So, please, tell me how moving my adult club to a place that restricts access to people who have payment info on file will make me feel more secure that RL kids aren't showing up?

Folks, don't you see that by playing the definitions game, you have walked into a trap? By accepting LL's premise that definitions are good, you are running around like squirrels in a cage without questioning the validity of the cage itself.

I see the point, but I have a feeling that the widest range of applications and the grown size and the grown diversity of SLs Residents, was and is and will be good enough as example, that even all smarties from schools, universities and any possible biz will be able easily too, to do what we all do: to buy, to rent, to plan, to design, to use and to protect their unique environments and needs, to share costs and to manage their things, as good as we all did and do.

We did and we do that for years and all we need is a technical perfect running system, the usual tools wich we have and freedom for self-design and self-experiment with less as possible restrictions as we know it, companied by some basic parts of the TOS as we know it since years.

I mean..., you try to lead relative high IQ into the "game". It will meet some relative high IQ too, because: look around on the grid. We made that!. I think not, that they are unable to start like we all did. But if they are too lazy or not smart enough... There are fantastic architects in SL plus specialists for corporate design, also security pros, if needed... plus fitting tools of all sorts, from multimedia tools up to maybe security tools and personal, if needed...

We have free mainland PG and mature sims and half sims in masses, the map is yellow like never before, so much yellow, that I need sunglasses for watching the mainland-map, there are additional islands for rent and LL has them for sale as much as they want, there is also a special price model for educational institutions with lower tier, etc., as far as I know.

I see again no serious reason for a major change. It is all there what educationals and business people need. Tools, land, personal, and some great shops wich offering perfect business dresses, decent skins and hair and nice school - and biz-accessoires...from books, over notebooks, up to eye-glasses and handys, hehehehe They will look like mummy dressed them perfect with their best sunday clothes. No doubts.

I am sure the majority has enough to do and better things to do, than to disturb them.

If needed, we help them... wich is also in our best economical interest, to offer them all items and services they may need, hehehe

But we need no new ratings, rules, moves and no noses wich are sniffing in our well grown and diverse business or style or scenes or individuality.

Just give them islands or PG sims and all is good. No need to irritate or to mess up all - as you said - grown applications and diversity. This is all grown and diverse, because we made it. They can make it too.

We are fine and they will be too fine to increase the colorful spectrum with themselfs. It is the challenge and not too diff to start here something unique, like we all did and do. No extra service needed, but if: there are pros around enough to build, create, offer, bring and sell them any needed service. Landscaping pros, builder, corporate design pros, multimedia pros, webdesigner, fashion pros, even security pros, well trained polite event hosts, all is there and much more.

Maybe make some boards at strategic locations where designers and any fitting personal can offer their services for educationals and biz people, and even the serious part of the landlord-scene will be happy to help them to find fitting land-resources...

Let's say so: we are in general best prepared to welcome them - as long as we are not forced to act against all what we are, what is grown with and through us and what we developed so far, we people from all around the globe.

This would be the most painless process: to count on our experience and skills - but do not touch our locations, creations and world(s) and legitime interests, because we do pay for doing here our things in peace. No stress and special treatment needed.

And if it is a question of: room... - you have the servers and we see Ursula growing actualy. It will be, if necessary, easy, to create them a unique entry spot on the website - to sign up as educationals or pure biz-meeting peeps. Landing point: Ursula. And like we can switch between main grid and preview grid, give them an Ursula entry thingy for the viewer, where they can log in explicite at a PG thing called Ursula.

Instead to move us around or to bring us into whatever sort of trouble, make Ursula PG and I promise: in case I would appear there to offer this or that product or service, I will be well dressed and fresh showered and shaved, with my biz-map in hands and my best aristocratic behavior, incl. perfect hidden vampire-teeth...in strict no-bite-mode.

*grin*

Those of us who went to Blondin's office hour, and Blondin was very good at his office hour even though the audience weren't exactly on his side, saw how difficult this is to define.

Strip club is adult, oh no it isn't it's mature, oh yes it is, oh no it isn't and so forth. Nudity isn't adult, but stripping is, how is that so blah blah blah.

This can't be defined easily.

Dear, we tried challenging the cage. And LL said quite clearly that the action to move Adult Content was not negotiable. That the only thing they would listen to was suggestions on how to kill the victims with the least fuss and bother.

Being able to define what is "public", what is "private", residential vs. non-residential, is absolutely imperative toward being able to define appropriate conduct in non-adult areas, particularly since it's been pretty much stated that one can do whatever he or she wants, regardless of the kink, within one's own residence.

Nailing down public vs. private, residential vs. non-residential should be fairly easy since we'll have concrete terms to work with, even for mixed-use parcels.

A residence doesn't necessarily have to have walls per se, but if you're going to be doing the nasty with rhinoceroses in your private bedroom, you should define a discreet area where that can be done without exposing yourself to the parcel next door. A good litmus test for this is: If I can look out my window and see you bumping uglies with rhinos, then you are not being discreet. If I have to cam over into your "house" to see it, then you ARE being discreet and the onus is on me to cam out if I don't like what I'm seeing.

Like that's anything new. Same old same old with LL. *rolls eyes* Even when I owned a sim and was premium is was somewhat like this.

Sorry, don't understand what you're implying? My RL company where I work has had 2 layoffs since Oct. ALL of our major customers have reduced their billing to our company. Revenues are way down - I don't know total number, but I know our largest customer (Fortune 100 company) sales are down 45% and they have had 3 layoffs since Oct and there is another rumored for them in April. That's all I meant.

How can you move 'adult' content if 'adult' content cannot be defined? Even within this forum, let alone the community at large, there is no agreement on the nature of 'adult' content. The only thing LL has is a cage full of angry squirrels. Maybe it's time to chew through the bars.

" My definition of what should be adult. "

I'm sort of wondering if Venus de Milo will now be regarded as adult content. Never mind that kids can walk past the real thing in The Louvre and gawp at those marble breasts.

Just yards from where UK lawmakers decide what pixel 'content' we can see, the Statue of Boadicea displays....shock horror....naked breasts to the entire world. What an irony.

Maybe someone at Linden Labs can tell me if Venus de Milo is PG or Mature content.

WARNING THIS RESPONSE CONTAINS ADULT VIEWS and as such IS OF AN ADULT NATURE



Personally I think that the adult rating of sims is clear and apparent to all - also the filtering is clear and apparent to all - I dont think I have ever been in a sim where there is not adult content in the two years I have been a premium member. If something offends ye - do not cut out thine eye - instead tp to another place and dont go back to that one! we are all adults here - alledgedly and as such we sign up to behave as such - its our second life - and the powers that wish they were in charge have cocked up enough of my first life to make me want as much freedom for myself and others in my second life that I feel I have to strongly object to this capping of our morals - this is what it feels like to me.

Rezzing a coalesced object is NO trivial matter! Once you rez it, it's there to stay. You'll have to individually pick up every single linkset and go through the painful hell of moving and aligning everything if the place you rezzed the coalesced object is not exactly where you wanted it.

I wonder... If you have a Rez-Faux or similar auto-rezzer, could you place the coalesced object into the rezzer, then rez the rezzer somewhere, rez the "object", and move it around en masse via the rezzer? Or would the inability to place the rezzer's scripts in the coalesced object be an issue?

I missed the new login survey...what was it?

Enable the Build tool palette before rezzing, and all the individual bits and pieces of the coallesced rezzed object will remain selected. You can then position them before deselecting.

No, the rezzer can only move prims and linksets containing the rezzer's component script.

You CAN use the rezzer to collect and re-rez a large and complex build, *provided* all the parts are at least modifyable. You have to be able to add the component script to each linkset. But if any of the parts are no-copy to the next user, then the rezzer has to contain the original no-copy items, and you get precisely one chance to rez what is in it. The no-copy parts get eliminated from the contents of the rezzer when you rez them.

"Angry squirrels unite! LL has your nuts!"

In case you have kids: ever visited a zoo with them? There are many female and male genitals running around, with attached animals on them, even apes...but why thinking small...look at elephants...or:horses...

I found so far no zoo, wich would have an adult sign at entry. And is a zoo not full of: aliens...metaphoric seen...if we use an anthropocentric point of view.

And if one knows something about flowers and bees...then a blossom of a rose would be a redlight district...per definition.

Yes, this planet is full of wonders and all are: "adult content", so much sex on it, my god...even the billions of microscopic small acarians/mites wich are living on any single mattress in peoples bedrooms, no matter if Rockefellers mattress, or chancelor Merkels, or Obamas, or mine, are all busy all day to copy themselfs via,ahm, you know....thing, ah, how was the name? ah: sex, yes. or the flies, around the lamp...sex where you look, no way to escape from. Sleeping with a bible in hand prevents not to lay every night in the middle of the biggest orgy on earth, while billions of acarians/mites are trying to grow their population.

Hm. Swimming is a hard job for puritans or drinking water from a river or a lake, because: fishes have sex in these waters...

Maybe we should ship them to Ursula, lol.

(Just to bring some truth mixed with humor in)

I don't want to take our thread off course too much, but...

What?! When?! Where?!

(Only one I know of that was possibly related was ages ago, asking if we wanted our SL experience to be more predictable- I'll delete this if this gets answered)

*facepalms*

.. I'm still speechless over this.

Either LL:
a) is stupid.
or
b) thinks we're stupid.

Please! LL show some intelligence and DON'T implement this! It's probably the LEAST wanted change you've ever suggested, doesn't that tell you something??

As for who is affected... a quick look at my friends list: about 95% of everyone I know.

Adult clubs are to SL, what schools are to suburbs. Sure, they are small, they PHYSICALLY don't occupy that much space, but if you burned one down it would affect a lot of people eh?! Every single child who goes to that school has to find a new school to go to, and every single parent of those children is affected, and the friends of the parents are affected. What your suggesting will easily affect 90-95% of SL, and it will be negatively. Don't believe me, why not have a look at the number of people who have replied to the thread for a start.

If your doing this for the reasons you stated, then truly, my worst fears are only being proven correct. If not, please give your consumers that support your company, the real reason.

I had a login survey about whether I'd reccommend Second Life to someone, however I couldn't resize the window and so I couldn't see the submit button.

A couple of minutes ago when I logged there was a new survey but I clicked connect to quick and didn't see it, Figured it would have something to do with this whole maley that's the only reason I ask here