Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

you get it.

shame LL doesnt. I am already making my migration plan for the new AO continent.

I got to ask.. because this one probably is a very ... well I don't know, "Interesting', might be the correct term.

What does Vore roleplaying come under?

This is a type of roleplaying that comes in several forms.. it can be sexual, it can be not sexual at all. It can be very intensely voilent (blood, death, limbs being chewed off). Or it can be 'Soft Vore', which doesn't have any death, any blood, any pain, any force, any digestion or whatever. 'Soft Vore' can be even found in some children's cartoons to a certain extent like what you'd watch in the morning.

Would that kind of role playing be considered adult or mature or PG?

I'm still in disbelief that Linden Lab thinks they can somehow classify every single act that everyone does in RL and SL as PG/Mature/Adult, and then somehow enforce those ratings on people's behavior, but if they are infact going to do it, I would like to know where some things I like to do, like Vore, fit into the mix.

For example, this picture:
(STRONG VERY SERIOUS WARNING: THIS MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE EASILY OFFENDED, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. CONTAINS SOFT VORE.)
http://th07.deviantart.com/fs9/300W/f/2006/342/7/c/Snake_Vore_by_canime.jpg

If I hang that up in my club, and other pictures like it, and allow role playing of vore, does that make my club adult? There is no nudity, no sex, and no death, but would it be so offensive that it's not allowed?

Like i have mentioned a couple of times....LL is the biggest land owner on the Mianland continents, think of all the Linden sims, protected lakes, protected sea, railroads, roads, park land, quite a bit of the Snow Regions etc etc.
If they counted their own land in the land Mass grand total....it does effect the result quite a bit. I have a feeling without their lands included....the adult content lands could be double figures ...maybe somewhere near 10-15%

If Boingdragon does it, it's G-rated.

I think all us non-PG biz owners should buy Sindy's script and put it on our land, and the next day post the results here. Might be very telling.

Keep in mind, too, folks, that the Lindens intend to pretty much use the Age Verification system that's already been in use so far... and I've already heard from a number of people inworld who tried to use it and it failed to Verify them. So the Lindens intend to use a system that's already known to have a failure rate, and will lock a % of legitimate adults out of Adult areas.



Sindy, this is the most succinct summary I've seen of the sim-full issue that might result. Even if we assume that half our customers will be unable to Verify and we'll only have the other half coming into the Adult continent, it will still mean many sims hitting sim-full, due to moving most of SL's group-destinations all together into one bucket.

However, this might be SL's intention, because maybe they wish that every Adult business would be forced into buying a separate island. lol

Just wanted to throw my personal situation into the mix.

My DJ and Club Supply store (rated G) is in a mall where it's predominant business is relationship or sex related (rated R).... my shop takes 1/4th of the plaza/mall area (sort of like a department store).

So basically, we're on the mainland... the mall is going to be forced to move... which means I'll be forced to move. This is now the 4th time I've had to relocate my shop, and every time it is because of LL making and changing policies.

Now, my DJ and Club shop is going to be forced to move because some of the mall it's in has adult related stuff?!?!? i'll have to move AGAIN!?!

Last time I had to move was because of LL's disaster in announcing the void sim policy. The land owner I rented from lost her land due to billing without assistance to the point where they charged her for several months for a sim, all while she was just waiting for the sim to change to open sim.

Before that I had to move because LL suddenly announced VAT, and the euro landlord suddenly could not afford unless I and all his renters would pay almost 35% more just for him to break even.

The first time was 3 years ago, when LL suddenly decided to remove dwell payments. I turned my first land sim into a community, knowing that the dwell was covering the extra group hangout land. Then after I bought a 1/8 a sim, 512sq.m. at a time as people moved out, LL removed dwell and i was suddenly left with the bill and no business plan anymore.

..... so now.... 4 times, I've been forced to move because of a LL rule. I'm just a DJ and Club shop. The fact that I get totally displaced in the world means other do too. A LL rule can directly and indirectly affect anyone... and more often than not, their rules affect EVERYONE.

Even though LL needs to impliment rules from time to time, their history has shown they do it either in a drastic way, an unthought out way, and in a half-cocked wild-eyed illusion of their ideals. It uproots the community every time. It is sad that LL has no staffers even thinking about community, social relations, the inworld economy...
It's becoming more and more noticable that after 3 years in SL that LL is not equipped or knowledgible when it comes to the growth of the SL nation. The thriving drive has always been squashed, and the passion has plumeted.

All I keep thinking is... LL, stop trying to change your world, while leaving its necessities broken, fix the major inworld issues first....not where adult content sits on your servers. who cares about educators and adult content, or anything inworld, when developers of the world are constantly receiving obstacles from LL, instead of realized promises. sorry to sound harsh.... but this is just another issue that shouldn't be at the top of the list of things that need changing.

the text-transcript wich is provided under the latest blog entry about Adult Content Changes and what will follow, I have a feeling, that we have no friends there inside the lab.

And if we have some, they are muted by their job obligation to be loyal to the firm.

Correct, Mr. and Mrs. Doe? Hehehehe Shhhh, say nothing, in case you exist, because we want you to not lose your job

No visible opposition inside the company staff wich would be on our side and wich would vote for the easy way, to create just one new PG continent for their new, special clientel, instead of stressing us other people. They want literal the north - south - and east -continent clean, antiseptic, clinical, sober, for reasons we don't know, but it will have to do with merging things and/or making some extra money out of our pockets with our moves and the results of that.

This is as clear as mud. Otherwise they would chose the PG-continent variant for "Ursula", because it is the most easy and the most uncomplicated variant- but exact this idea they don't want like a vampire wants no garlic, no cross and no daylight.

They do not belong to our club, we do not belong to their club. This is maybe normal and usual in biz, where all is about one thing: money - and not about emotions, intellectuality, creativity, or anything, but since they don't sell cars, or washing machines, but room for doing self-design, self-expressions and since we are no products, but producer, user and creatives, I take it personally that they roll over us like a rail and no stop sign no track-switch is able to brake their ride. It seems they ride that horse to death while burning all bridges behind them.

Summary: I learned, the green points on the map, are nothing than maneuvre-masses. We are toys in a sandbox, moved by strategists, like we move prims along their axes.

Literal all what we created is now in focus of a however named, but extraordinaire chaotic process and nothing is safe.

Forced ice-age is coming. Emigration of nations starts. This means inner emigration as a state of mind i.e. some " residents" will plan to stop all ingame activities and to stop all ingame investments until light comes into that evil process, and physical emigration on map - some uncoordinated and chaotic - some forced by the power of the lab after their final "meetings", companied with some emigration out of the "game", because of too much intricacies of all sorts wich are not reasonable for consumers/customers/members of whatever service, but especially this service.

This is the mood I feel here while reading the forums and this is the mood in wich I am too.

Just sitting on my hands, watching along the next few weeks the bizarre scenery of a kafkaeske clean-up/hide/uncertainty/pressure - process.

Ironically.....my main ( paid ) account.....this one....is the one account where I DON'T engage in any adult or BDSM activity.

My other....Verena Vuckovic account was originally created in June 2007 as an alt.....so I could seperate my 'respectable' life from the kinkier side.

But...despite claims I have seen in this thread....Lindens DON'T provide a means of registering 'account xxx is an alt of paid account yyy '. I see nothing in the account web page that does so. And I'm not paying twice !

So I would say it is imperative.......as part of any payment info verification.......that LL provide such a means.

I'm jumping in very late to this discussion and haven't by any means read everything, but I thought this part of a very long post above was interesting:

"Proposal:
(a) everyone rates their profiles, groups, land, etc. (whatever searchable content they have), and can change the rating at will;
(b) searches have a "but not [rating]" function; and
(c) there is a method for residents to flag ratings they disagree with."

I haven't quoted the whole post; it's #2338, and it's kind of long.

This idea of rating your own profile, group, land, etc. I think is good. It's very much in keeping with SL DIY culture. It saves difficulty with definitions and search engines. The writer has suggestions for flagging ratings that you disagree with, and for resolving disputes about them. His (her? I don't know) suggestion for just two ratings, basically "18+ only" or "any age", although he doesn't call them that, is also very good, simple.

Too bad LL won't read or incorporate the idea; their train has already left corporation station.

evolution, baby.

You must be joking right?.. LL would never do that!

1. It requires programming (*Le' GASP!*.. which LL isn't that good at really anyway.)
2. It requires extra processing on the servers (!!!)
3. It requires extra space on the servers ("Oh noes!!"
4. It requires work, planning, thinkings, doing stuff, standing, effort... all things which big companies like LL can't possibly do, as all their time is taken up by counting all the money they make from us.

So inconclusion, nope.

Although, I would personally love such a thing to exist, in preference to this idea of LL rating everything. Really SL should of had user ratings from the beginning, that would of fixed up lots of things like the search, for instance. Finding decent places would be much easier. I think the way of google videos would be best though. Just have a user tagging system and rating system. So users can rate the quality of what something is and then tag what it is too.

It's called a "Bottomup" governance, and they work wonderfully when implemented. But the only risk in implementing them is, once you do so, you lose most of your control over a system. Like the internet really. There is a system which was allowed to be completely open and up for control by anyone around the world, there is no central control and no one incharge of regulating what happens on the internet. And look at the result: PORN EVERYWHERE!!

Suppose one performs an Age Verification. Does that mean that "Payment Info On File" will be flagged? Because at no point in this do I want to submit actual payment info over the internet. I'mz scared of interwebz. I don't want to attach any kind of financial anything to my account because to me, that's just inviting trouble. However, dingbats in SL are already hitting their panic buttons over this new Adult Content Proposal deal, and flagging their sims as "payment-info-needed" areas.

So now it's hitting me, personally. I propose that "payment info used" either be replaced with "age verified", or that age verification trip the "payment info on file" flag. One way or the other, those are two birds that need to be taken down with a single stone. Please.

if sl is for adults (+1 why have to flag any place and say it has adult content.
it makes me think, LL wants to combine tiny SL with adult SL.
btw the prize of mainland will be low. who will wants to buy a land where they cant do anything. mainland will be empty.

I got payment verified with SL as soon as possible. I bought land before I had been here 30 days, and had to negotiate PayPal with the sellers, because SL didn't count my account old enough to pay from. I understand, this is a business, not a welfare program. I agree to pay for the services I am being provided in full and on time.

1, i believe Blondin Linden is a sock puppet, Blondin was a french Tightrope walker, sort of apt here.
You cannot take the word of one linden alone, i know that from bitter experience.
This forum is a sham, as far as i am aware there is no such forum for other Languages,so its hardly representative, but as its a sham anyway it hardly matters.


2, i believe this "Nany Kayo" is also a sock puppet designed to to cause infighting, a well known and well used tactic and frankly i would not put anything past LL now.

Openlife is looking like LL was a long time ago before the greed set in and corperations and cash mattered more than the people who built it.
http://www.openlifegrid.com/ thats where im going.

Anyway, thanks, LL, SL. We will make the very best use of this we possibly can.

No. I am a customer.

I believe in paying for services as well, unless they're free services. I'm not a Premium subscriber, and I don't buy L$, so why should I attach any form of financial information to my account? If it's just for the purpose of age verification, then that's the precise reason I proposed that "payment info on file" be replaced with "age verified". I don't want to go around broadcasting to every ne'er-do-well that my account has something akin to a credit card on it, ripe for the plucking. And if they let age verification trip the "payment info on file" flag, all the better, as those same ne'er-do-wells will have no idea who's got credit cards really on file, and who's merely over the age of 18.

Furthermore, I think if you ARE age verified, you should have the OPTION not to display it in your profile, as a security measure to make your account look less tempting to phishers.

The goal is and always has been to merge the teen grid with the main, no matter how much they try to deny it. If it wasn't there would be no reason to "clean up" the main grid. Since that is their goal, they have to make the main grid "safe" for the kiddies and the intolerant's.

In doing so they are/will alienate the majority of the people that built this place. Mark my words, this is not due to any outcry from residents, regardless what they say. Within a year or two of this going live, they will announce the merging of the grids. Then SL will fail completely IF there is anything left.

That works, I hope we can have our kids here. I really do.

Just thinking about all this and the Openspace Fiasco...

the reasoning for the price hike was "Openspaces are being used about twice as much as we expected"...

Now I'm sure the bean counters at LL are salivating at being able to raise mainland tier.

So its most likely after the majority of the population is crammed into Ursula and the usage is "about twice as much as we expected", we will get an announcement from LL in the same manner as the Openspaces.

Of course this will only affect "adult" land owners...

I don't know why these people can't stand their own childern. I don't care.

I'm not so much worried about tier as I am about my friends, employees and customers getting cutoff but I have no doubt that something like that will occur,...

excellent suggestion. not just for adult businesses, but just to gauge the impact on all businesses that this might have

Sindy... is there a place where one can acquire this detailed script from you?

I want our kids here with us.