Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

This is where LL needs to get it sorted out before they insist everyone that wants to access "Adult" has to.

1. You will have to pick one, if flagged as adult no one without age verification and payment info gets in, if you don't flag it and someone there has adult content, they have to move to the adult continent.

2. Each sim will have to be flagged as adult or not. See #1.

Dear God! I missed that the first time around!!!!

*reaches for the brain bleach*

Very true, but this way, LL gets to sell a whole bunch of land to us, so they make profit AND age verify most of the grid. WIN-WIN! (unless you include the users too, then it's WIN-WIN-MEGA.EPIC.LOSE).



I still say that we should mark Nany as broadly offensive and thus "Adult". Would love to see her having to live next to (or even in) a Gor sim. ^^;

I'll vote for that, though I stopped seeing her posts a few pages back when I muted her. : )

Look! I found it!



The truth comes out!!

</joke>

there's many a true word said in jest....

No, no: don't do the Aristotle IDV thing now! If you have payment info on file already, it will automatically qualify you for Adult access in future. And even if you don't have PIOF, there will be less invasive ways to verify than Aristotle/Integrity.

The fact that there will be other, much easier ways to verify, combined with the fact that for the very first time there will be an actual reason to verify, statistics about the current ratio of PIOF vs NPIOF residents (or, if we could get it, IDV'd vs non-IDV'd) are almost completely irrelevant to the Adult business impact of this change.

Those aren't the only misleading numbers. The "2-4%" number is also cited as somehow relevant to how much of the Mainland will be moving to Ursula, as in (emphasis mine):
First, the obvious flaw: I could make a super-adult venue with only 2-4% of its content being "adult"--by which ratio *every* parcel on the Mainland could have to move. But even if we pretend that only 2-4% of the parcels are "Adult", it in no way follows that the only parcels that eventually *will* move are those that currently *must* move. (And I won't even try to guess how ratios of "content" or "parcels" map to actual square meters of Mainland.)

If it happens that only 2-4% of Mainland ends up moving to Ursula, it's pure coincidence, in no way predicted by whatever "research" went into that Adult content ratio.

i just heard of a club closing down, they were giving anything they could give away to anyone who wanted it and leaving SL for good.
thats the reality of it..
so a big cheer for LL.

162 Pages of "No", and yet LL still thinks they are hearing, "Yes". If I was gonna buy LL a birthday gift, it would be a hearing aid. :3

I don't feel like there is much more we could really discuss at this point, I think LL's mind is already made up, all we can do is just bend over, and take it. Or leave SL. Think I might take my own advice, "Don't like what you see, hit the close button". ._.

Edit: Didn't see that above me before posting, which club was it?

I wouldn't rezone any "evacuated" mainland as Adult - not unless you want a REAL riot on your hands! I'd be far less worried about what land-flippers do to fresh, expansive wasteland on the mainland than what they can do in Ursula. One single person can literally hold the entire Adult community hostage by grabbing all available Adult-zoned land and flipping it for 1000%-10000% of its original price!

i never found out, the sim was full. so i didnt ask for the LM.
anyone want to buy a full sim?
600 USD almost 1 month tier paid on it.
im me inworld if interested - same name.

My kids would think nothing more 'sic' than coming into a "game" with mummy. If i want to do something with my kids i can get them off the comp and we can go be a family in RL, i know an odd idea really hell why would i wont to be close to them when i can get them in here and be a pixel mum to them.

I fail to see the need to bring kids into SL after all should we not be encouraging children off their bums and out playing, should we as families not be having real time with the kids not encouraging them to sit longer in front of a computer ?

Please can some one explain the benefits and if you tell me so you can keep an eye on them well Ill repeat myself ... get them off their bums and out into the fresh air

What a pity we can't have discussions on issues which REALLY COUNT and see Lindens tackling issues which effect all sl users everydaylike tier charges, service stability and getting more for our money and those in world problems which never seemed to be tackled but really spoil the pleasure of many sl users ......

I'd hate to be treated for a tootache by lindens - there'd be umpteen months diagonsis and then to cure the problem I think I'd end up having my head amputated......

Oh my dear God! That poor creature!

*falls over laughing her ass off*

I would have bitten some fingers off for that, especially after the second attempt!

I muted her not because it happened what must happen: finaly she started to talk about her sex-life. I had a bet running with myself, that this will start. I won. Me is happy smiling from ear to ear.

I will mute her when she starts to talk about non-euclidian-geometrics, because that is able to hit my most sensitive and sensible private point in a way wich would be far too much for me.

JUST BACK UP ONE MINUTE HERE!

I just read the Knowledge Base's article on age verification..

Charging a fee for age verification?
.. are you seriously even leaving that option open?
You're the ones forcing this upon us! There's NO reason anyone should be handing over a single penny for age verification purposes!

But NO Adult there unless you own your own island and lock it down for group access only IIRC, well thats what was dicussed a few months ago unless they have changed the NO adult thing and now allow it on the mainland.

we've been talking a lot about the sexual side of the adult coin, but what about the violence?

Personally I'd rather see all the violence removed, but since double standards prevail (this is America remember where there are more guns than people) I'm sure that shops selling guns and "defensive" armaments like mistitool will be able to stay and peddle their wares to the poor vulnerable adults who want a cleaner SL.

Even though I'd rather gnaw a limb off than want to share space with these people, the violence peddlers need to come with us into the ghetto. If a skin shop or erotic art is considered adult then mystitool and the rest must also be on the list. For consistency, along with the fact that violence is certainly higher on the list of evils than a nipple.

ugh 4m gangsta molls, my eyes are bleeding at the thought of it.

Agreed





My idea of tame sexual activity would be implied rather than depicted, for instance a passionate embrace between naked or near naked people showing feeling or love, is entirely different to a graphic depiction of a sex act, yet it can still have an arousing effect.
A picture of an attractive girl naked or not with an expression of desire can evoke feelings of a sexual nature but is not the same as a close up picture of some girls bits.
These were my thoughts on erotic art.



In Gorean sims they normally have a landing area before entering the town itself, if any sexual or violent activity were only allowed within the city walls, the landing area would provide an ideal place to learn about the type of role play before a person were exposed to anything of a sexual or violent nature, taking Gor as an example town elders or freewomen could talk to people prior to them being admitted into the town, explain of the old fashioned style of clothing worn the idea of tall towers and then mention of the slave aspect, thus paint the picture of Gor and all that lies behind it before explaining Kajira and that side of things.
Only when a person has decided this is the type of role play they are interested in are they permitted to enter the city itself.

I have taken Gor as an example but the same would go for any role play area, LL just specify that role play sims must inform people adequately and check understanding before allowing them into the role play area.

This is similar to me asking a girl back to my house, I gauge whether she is interested in doing any more than chatting prior to showing her my bedroom, then I .... you get the picture.





In real life a place to appreciate beauty or even the sexual attractiveness of a naked dancer is entirely different to visiting a brothel.

In SL perhaps an entry area could be used like a foyer to any club, LL could specify a club of this type would require a bouncer to inform and vet people before allowing entry?
Similar to my idea for requiring only informed people happy to enter a type of role play area are able to gain access.
Clubs of this type are aimed at mature people having a little fun rather than to get some sort of sexual enjoyment, the enjoyment for me is down to the banter in these areas rather than looking at naked av's.

Yeah, this has really been bothering me, too, the past few days. There are so many more important and more urgent ways to expend the Linden resources, competitive calendar time, and resident loyalty than what appears by all stated reasons to be a "nice to have" at best.

And the worst of it is that it directly impacts Cyn's organization, and Jack's in particular. And Jack has much more pressing matters to which he needs to attend. Instead there's this distraction, which may benefit some minuscule percentage of current residents and some unknown share of as yet unproven target markets.

Slowing progress on other matters to give priority to this is a dreadfully large expenditure of what economists call "opportunity cost."

There's plenty of room to disagree about what should get priority. Personally, I've been waiting for Jack to blog about a new policy on Traffic-gaming of Search, and to show some progress on persistent microparcel gouging. I'd also like to see some renewed effort on roads and rails--but moles have been off building Ursula.

Amd after the Great Migration, those moles will have even more work patching-up whatever remains of the sub-Adult Mainland. Plus an unprecedented list of parcels to turn purple, for the Land team. And lots of extra work for Governance as the prudes scour the grid for arguably AR-able Adult content (and this additional workload for a team that already can't keep from suspending--and thereby disqualifying as a Mentor --the head of NCI).

I'd like to hope that Mitch knows just how much this little exercise is really costing the company. I suspect he has not a clue.

update:
it wasnt a club closing it was a club equpment store
Lava Inside Main Store, Lava Inside (97, 89, 31)
everything is being given away free.
maybe a sign of the times..

I think the best way to work this is the same way they do in real life

you can have an adult shop next door to a bakery, the only thing that stops people going in is two things

1) They are asked for photo ID to prove age

2) They don't wish to enter the adult shop as they are not interested, much the same way i don't go to church but i wouldnt put all the churches in one place

that is called real life, why should SL be any different..

Why you have PG is beyond me, as you need to be 18 to join SL, why not just make it like real life, anyone in SL who cannot prove their age cannot have access to adult areas, also adverts for adult areas must not show any nudity, same as in real life.. simple really

With all due respect, there should be places that are safe from sexually explicit acts and images in Second Life because despite what you want, not all adults want to see two furries doing sexual things that are anatomically impossible in a public sandbox.

Not that I believe there is a problem that needs to be fixed, but part of the reasoning behind this 'problem' that LL sayes needs to be fixed, is that there is very few, if any, 'public' locations in SL. Most of SL, is owned and operated by users. And therefore isn't the 'public'. It is a private residence. Even if it's open to the public, it's rules are determined by the owners of the land. So if the owner is ok with sex on the land, then sex is allowed!

What would be nice is if inbetween each region there was another region that had roads and parks etc. And those regions could be the public areas, designed to be low in lag, with no ban lines, with no nudity, with very few objects so people could drive cars etc. That would work very well, and then it would even be possible to drive to locations in SL.

But sadly that is not even possible now, the mainland is a mess, and everything is just everywhere, with no roads or means of organising it. Who would build roads anyway? You have to pay tier for that land and if you put roads on it, then it's costing you money to build infrastrature for SL that LL should be making anyway! You'd have to move half of SL too to achieve it now.

The solution to this 'problem' is no longer available, and LL wouldn't consider it anyway. If there was public locations, then you could say, "Ok, the public streets, parks etc, are all 'public, PG rated', and the regions owned by the users, could be all just 'adult' by default, and only open to people who are age verified.

If SL was like that from the start, SL would of been very organised and infact, a lot more like a real world or large city, then the mess of chaos and sea of sexclubs, ad farms and whatever it is now.

That way owners of adult locations could easily say, "Well there's the road! if you don't like this location, drive or walk away! Go somewhere else, no one is making you visit my place!". Instead, because every location is like that, the prudes say they have no where to go, with the exception of a few PG sims, unless they want to bare the brunt of being in adult land, with penis's and breast's flying at them in every direction. Which personally I would enjoy, but that's me..

Maybe that's still possible. Hell, we're building a new continent right? lets start from scratch with this one, lets put roads and public regions in it and mark them as 'inaccessible and not for sale' to the public and make it a real city of sorts.