Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread
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Catriana Ninetails
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03-23-2009 11:27
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? (Google it, its fun  ) Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Welcome to Rockford Illinois...where on State Street (one of three main drags) we have the State Street Station...a full nude exotic dancers club.
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MystressAnna Lovenkraft
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03-23-2009 11:28
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? (Google it, its fun  ) Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Points outside ...The town I live in..in RL
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Catriana Ninetails
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03-23-2009 11:30
From: Meade Paravane You keep asking for our thoughts. Throw us a bone here and give us some more details on what's possible, what's not possible and what's already a done deal. Until you do that, it's going to be the same stuff over and over.
Hear Hear Meade! All I want are straight answers...
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Couldbe Yue
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03-23-2009 11:30
From: Couldbe Yue like for like is good.. I have snow, waterside and flat green parcels. give me the same or the option to consolidate.
I also think that as a gesture of goodwill we should be allowed to keep our original parcels tier free and sell them. I'm happy for you to lock them down so they're no build and let those we leave behind enjoy some open spaces while we wait for someone to buy them. you can even set the price if you like
failing that, either take them off our hands in a straight land swap or guarantee that there will be no tier hike because we're stuck with unsellable mainland parcels. and give me a linden minion for a couple of days to rebuild my shop, change all my landmarks etc.
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Minx Eisenhart
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03-23-2009 11:30
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? (Google it, its fun  ) Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Lucky for you i live in a town with one http://business.vermonttoday.com/Blue+Parrot.327672.90153323.home.htmlthe Blue Parrot is 1/4 mile from the mgor shopping district in my town on the same road leading to that shopping disctric now in the other derection on that same road is our neigboring towns shopping disctrict to go from on to the other you have to pass it not to mention adult toy stores and the like oh and right next door is a home and garden center, across the street a nail salon and party surply store that surplies Birthday parties for children oh and i almost forgot if you look at that map you can see a prominate country club not even a football field away
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Blondin Linden
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03-23-2009 11:31
From: Kara Spengler Please don't forget those of us who are still on the mainland and suddenly have joint builds destroyed! Can you elaborate?
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Kara Spengler
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03-23-2009 11:35
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? Here in DC there used to be one on Pennsylvania Avenue. Yes, THAT Pennsylvania Avenue. The guys at the White House were always going there after work since it was only about 2 blocks from us.
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Professor Milos
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Blondin asked...
03-23-2009 11:37
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? (Google it, its fun  ) Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Welcome to London's strip clubs  (and these are just the really obvious allegedly 'classy', tourist friendly ones) Stringellows 16 Upper St Martin's Ln, London, Greater London, WC2H 9, UK With two Locations in London -- Stringfellows Covent Garden, and Angels at The Wardour. Spearmint Rhino 161 Tottenham Court Rd. Camden Town, Greater London, W1T 7, UK The Spearmint Rhino Gentlemen's Clubs have several locations in the UK, including a convenient stop at Heathrow Airport. Sophisticats 28 Marylebone Ln, Paddington, Greater London, W1U 2, UK Secrets 62 Glenthorne Rd, Hammersmith, Greater London, W6 0, UK Candy Bar 4 Carlisle St, London, Greater London, W1D 3, UK Browns 1 Hackney Rd, Hackney, Greater London, E2 7, UK There are dozens of other naughty strip/lap dancing/nude clubs all over London.
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Catriana Ninetails
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03-23-2009 11:39
From: Blondin Linden Can you elaborate? Well, I know that Kara, like myself, spends most of her time in mixed use sims. In mine, I happen to own all that land, and plan to simply move all of it, including the stores that I let my friends use for free, to my new adult continent sim (provided of course that Linden Labs sees fit to let me move all my land). But in other mixed use sims, the parcels may NOT be owned all by the same person, but may still want to be placed together, either because they are a collaborative effort, or because the businesses are symbiotic. These people will ALSO be effected by the Adult Content exodus, and should be taken into consideration. This was one of the points discussed at yesterdays Discussion group.
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samatha Congrejo
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03-23-2009 11:39
From: Blondin Linden Can you elaborate? Maybe the better question is when will Linden Labs elaborate on this whole plan.
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Minx Eisenhart
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03-23-2009 11:39
From: Catriana Ninetails The simplest solution for this is to NOT allow people posting Ads, events, etc from mature land the OPTION of clicking the mature content box. Many, many, many people on mature land DO NOT click mature content when placing classifieds, listing events, showing their parcel in search...this allows things to show up in search as PG when they are mature. Simply not allowing the option, going on the assumption that if the land is mature, so is the product, event, what have you is ALSO mature is a far more efficient way of clearing up search. these are just the ones on Main St in CT USA male strippers in hartford connecticut female strippers in hartford connecticut 799 main st hartford, CT Aircraft Book & News 349 Main St East Hartford, CT ok now for the ones in prominate Downtown Districts Men in Motion Male Exotic Strippers and Dancers State st. New Haven, CT not more then a stones throw from Yale univerity Centerfolds 1861 Berlin Tpke Berlin, CT Kitchen Cafe-Gentlemen's Club <~~~full Nude bar next to a Mc Donalds and a Lows Movie thieter where you bring yoru children to watch disney and have a happy meal 3573 Berlin Tpke Newington, CT
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2009 11:40
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? Silver Dollar Bar, 119 S Main St, Aberdeen, South Dakota. Leather and Lace, Main St., Lesterville, South Dakota. Kongo Klub, 4901 N. Main St., Mitchell, Southe Dakota Shotgun Willie's, 2808 W. Main St., Rapid City, South Dakota. Paddy Murphy's Gentleman's Club, 204 Main Street, Volin, South Dakota. Circle Bar, 2926 Main Street, Santa Monica, California Club XXXtacy, 3396 E. Main St. Columbus, Ohio [...]
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GreenKnight Kaul
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03-23-2009 11:42
From: Blondin Linden How do you advertise these animations? If you use explicit keywords then it'll have to be ADULT. If you can advertise your goods without using certain words, then I don't see a problem with you staying at MATURE with what you have outlined. Ok if i remember right the whole purpose of this proposal was to prevent people from randomly walking into thing they may find objectionable. So what you are saying is don't put potentially offensive things in the ad. So ResidentX goes to see a cuddly stuffed bear. They wonder around the shop and find the sex animation room, which wasnt on the advertisement. They get offeneded and file an report. Who loses in this scenario? Hmmm please explain how this works to keep people from randomly finding thierself in "adult" situations. Maybe i've not been getting enough sleep but this seems contradictory.
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Blondin Linden
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03-23-2009 11:42
From: Ceera Murakami Banning "naughty words" in search is NOT the solution. It will NOT work. You will mess up G-rated content sellers and the XXX merchants will just come up with new slang terms to describe their wares. We are aware of that issue. From: Ceera Murakami Come up with a clear and easy to understand definition of EXACTLY what content and behaviors must take place only on XXX land. You can not do ANY of this without that definition. What would you consider to be adult? I propose when a theme is built around content that is overtly sexual or violent in nature it crosses a line between mature and adult. What do you think? From: Ceera Murakami Then help people to move as needed, and create a system that actually WORKS for tagging a sim and allowing verified access. Then, after everyone has moved that is going to move, if someone insists on selling or advertising content that clearly should have been tagged Adult, and is operating on PG or Mature land, they can get an AR filed against them and you, Linden Lab, deal with them directly. Which means you want this policy, you spend man-hours enforcing it. Sounds good to me. 
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samatha Congrejo
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03-23-2009 11:42
From: Minx Eisenhart these are just the ones on Main St in CT USA
male strippers in hartford connecticut female strippers in hartford connecticut 799 main st hartford, CT
Aircraft Book & News 349 Main St East Hartford, CT
ok now for the ones in prominate Downtown Districts
Men in Motion Male Exotic Strippers and Dancers State st. New Haven, CT not more then a stones throw from Yale univerity
Centerfolds 1861 Berlin Tpke Berlin, CT Kitchen Cafe-Gentlemen's Club 3573 Berlin Tpke Newington, CT I assume Blondie is in San Fran, and there are 4 in their own city in downtown mainstreets lol
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Kara Spengler
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03-23-2009 11:42
From: Blondin Linden Can you elaborate? People neighboring anyone who has to move will have friendships built over time, joint builds, cooperative terraforming, and so on. Just randomly take people out and the holes will become yet another problem! For an example, say you have a river between two plots and a bridge over that river. Take out one side of the river and the whole is pretty pointless.
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Deltango Vale
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03-23-2009 11:44
From: Blondin Linden Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Stringfellow's, Upper Saint Martin's Lane in the heart of London. Founded by Peter Stringfellow in the 1960s, it is a landmark and cultural icon. http://www.stringfellows.co.uk/
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2009 11:46
From: Blondin Linden Can you elaborate? Joint builds are those where multiple landowners work together each building their parcel as part of a common themed area.
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Minx Eisenhart
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03-23-2009 11:46
From: Blondin Linden
What would you consider to be adult? I propose when a theme is built around content that is overtly sexual or violent in nature it crosses a line between mature and adult. What do you think?
its not what we concider adult we have shared our ideas of what is adult over and over what does Linden Labs concider adult? Strip clubs that you can find on Main St that Several of us already pointed out?
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Kara Spengler
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03-23-2009 11:49
From: Catriana Ninetails Well, I know that Kara, like myself, spends most of her time in mixed use sims. In mine, I happen to own all that land, and plan to simply move all of it, including the stores that I let my friends use for free, to my new adult continent sim (provided of course that Linden Labs sees fit to let me move all my land). But in other mixed use sims, the parcels may NOT be owned all by the same person, but may still want to be placed together, either because they are a collaborative effort, or because the businesses are symbiotic. These people will ALSO be effected by the Adult Content exodus, and should be taken into consideration. This was one of the points discussed at yesterdays Discussion group. Then to further complicate things, I spend a lot of my time as a child avatar. If you think you have a bad PR problem now wait until sky news starts to see child avatars on the adult continent because some of their friends got moved there ...
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Minx Eisenhart
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Again I ask
03-23-2009 11:49
what is wrong with this idea?
I would venture to guess that any thing advertising the act of Sex, the act of war, and any and all acts of dismemberment; that are for random people, strangers and visitors to the sim; to partake in whether for pay or not, should be classified as adult. Leaving Strip clubs, as they are you can find them on any corner in most towns big or small, Most combat sims should be PG and Mature also, just like your typical karate studio or Loony tunes cartoon wit the Coyote and road runner blasting each other with Acme weapons; found in every town big or small.
Moreover, all uses of any words should be left PG and Mature, because frankly you can find any combinations of all words in your nearest public library.
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GreenKnight Kaul
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03-23-2009 11:50
From: Blondin Linden Today's Trivia Question: In what USA town will you find a strip club on Main Street? (Google it, its fun  ) Seriously though, I have a tough time picturing any town that would feature a strip club on a centralized street. Denver Colorado, strip club called Diamond Cabaret and Steak house, 4 blocks from city hall and 2 blocks from the police station. Colfax avenue the main artery into the city center. Well you asked. Also thought I should mention besides that there are at least 5 "Adult" video entertainment stores on the same route within the same area.
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Lord Sullivan
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03-23-2009 11:50
From: Blondin Linden Ideas have been discussed. If we do a swap, even Steven on land, what would be fair for those who will have to move? Start with those that hold the biggest plots choose first and work down the list. try to keep those with water frontage etc. on the mainland get a fair exchange. Stop anyone selling the new land except back to LL for maybe the first 2/3 months (that way flippers won't get a foothold to start with) Do not charge any extra tier if we go over tier in the land swap. Invite the adult land holders you are going to move to come and visit and reserve their plots and allow a certain time before opening the new land for people to build their land up first as in buildings landscaping etc. Allow the moved folks to leave LM givers at the old plots for a period while the transition happens Do not levy any extra charges on the land holder during the move. Most importantly give us enough notice of the move. just a couple of things to the list, i will probably think of more 
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Minx Eisenhart
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03-23-2009 11:50
From: Kara Spengler Then to further complicate things, I spend a lot of my time as a child avatar. If you think you have a bad PR problem now wait until sky news starts to see child avatars on the adult continent because some of their friends got moved there ... wouoldnt surprise me if Child avis are next to be banned after all you cant take pics of them in any form with an adult avi not even in a normal loving family enviorment
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Catriana Ninetails
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03-23-2009 11:50
From: Blondin Linden What would you consider to be adult? I propose when a theme is built around content that is overtly sexual or violent in nature it crosses a line between mature and adult. What do you think?
And this is where I disagree with this entire premise, Blondin. Overt sexuality is pretty universal, first of all. Fashion in and of itself is overtly sexual. All of us no longer looking like Ruth is overtly sexual. We are a race of overtly sexual human beings, no matter how you look at it. Mature IS adult already...the very words themselves are synonyms. My build is overtly sexual. HOWEVER, the sheer number of things you COULD do there is heavily outweighed by the things people DO do there. They talk. They dance. They Socialize. Sometimes they cage up their pet for display. Sometimes NEW players (almost exclusively) use the various sex pose balls. NEW players won't be verified. And THAT is what the average player goes looking for in his or her first few days in SL. Maybe not the big companies, who are only contributing to the Linden Labs coffers (how many of those employees goes home and plays SL after a hard day of playing SL?).
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